Mitsubishi Montero Sudden Acceleration Accidents [MERGED]

[shadow]

so many theories and theorists that are coming out. next time we know this SUA is blamed on the moon. where's OB?

Kasalanan ni Pnoy! [emoji16]


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[glenn manikis]

Kasalanan ni Pnoy! [emoji16]


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Tama ka Dyan.. Kasalanan Ni pnoy yan.. Malakas Ang MMC kay pnoy--- Remember, Pnoy chooses to attend Mitsubishi motors grand opening kasa pumuntA sa SAF 44...

Har har...!!!

Joke..!!!

[Ry_Tower]

so many theories and theorists that are coming out. next time we know this SUA is blamed on the moon. where's OB?

May thoery na siya. Bading daw mga nagdri drive nang nag-SUA na monstero... OB and his err mind. 😛

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[CVT]

I agree. And the sampling and conversion of the analog signal to digital is probably not a straightforward one. The software probably has a more complicated algorithm to account for sudden voltage spikes or noise. Noise is probably something that is always considered during the design stage given that more and more technology around us rely on electromagnetic signals.

Just a thought.

Bro naman.

Chip functions na iyan and straightforward. You just provide the parameters.

If you're just speculating, then please do not state it with apparent certainty, even with the "probable" preamble.

[CVT]

500k? Baba naman...

Bid ko 510k -- any sellers?

Ry tower-- baka later on Lahat tAyo Naka MONTORO na... He he...

Si bro djerms daw mayroon at dalawa pa.

Post na para magkakaalaman!

[CVT]

Okay lang. James is better looking....

The most interesting... worrying... case of SUA for me is the woman who experienced it on the highway. That cannot be easily explained away as driver error, and I'd like to have seen a proper investigation done of that.

Isang ligo lang ang lamang ni JamesD sa iyo bro.

Now, that's scary. Was that in a MS in the Philippine highway??? What happened to the woman-driver?

[Monseratto]

[Monseratto]

[xagent_orangex]

dapat itong dalawang gunggong na to ang kasuhan e.


kapag ba nagloko (nag wild, o pag sinapian ng demonyo) na ang engine e hindi na kakagat ang preno?

[dct]

dapat itong dalawang gunggong na to ang kasuhan e.


kapag ba nagloko (nag wild, o pag sinapian ng demonyo) na ang engine e hindi na kakagat ang preno?

Kahit sabihin nating di kakagat preno dapat may ilaw. Na halata naman sa videos na walang ilaw

[xagent_orangex]

Kahit sabihin nating di kakagat preno dapat may ilaw. Na halata naman sa videos na walang ilaw

so HINDI tumapak yung driver sa preno diba?

sabi kasi "faulty sensor" daw e...lahat daw ng error e dahil sa sensor na yan.

[glenn manikis]

If I were MMC I'll put a black box sa MONTORO nila..

[jut703]

From the ANC headlines earlier today, there's gonna be a DTI probe on the SUA issue next week. I think though, that regardless of the results of the investigation, no matter how many experts they bring in, people will not accept anything other than, "It's Mitsubishi's fault" as an answer.

Like what Deakin said, social media has prejudged the issue, and people will not let the truth get in the way of their preconceived notions.

Personally, I sit at the camp that believes that these SUA cases are mostly, if not entirely, due to driver error. That said, there are a few design elements on the Montero's transmission that make it more susceptible to SUA than other cars.

The first question that is asked for anyone who makes this stand, is "why not the Fortuner or any other AT?". Simple answer - gated shifter and shift lock. The Montero has a straight shifter that allows it to be shifted from R to N to D and any combination of the aforementioned positions without having to step on the brakes. If Mitsubishi were to be held liable for something, it'd be this. However, it has since been rectified (for later models) and it obviously wasn't a known manufacturing defect so you can't say that it was a deliberate lack of foresight on their end. Nonetheless, a crude shifter doesn't give people who don't step on the brakes before changing between gears the right to blame the car instead of themselves. Pedal placement of the Montero isn't any different from other ATs I've driven so anyone with a fair bit of driving experience should easily be able to distinguish the gas and brake pedals.

"Okay then, so what about the Strada?"

Among all theories presented, buyer demographics seems to be the most plausible - everyone wants a Montero, but Stradas are only bought by people looking for pickups, and that bunch doesn't usually include old people who aren't very good at adapting to different cars and different AT setups.

And similar to the Toyota incident presented by Deakin, it's quite obvious that many people have ridden the SUA bandwagon even if it really was a driver error. It works both ways - because the driver knows of the alleged SUA phenomenon, he's quick to blame the hardware for whatever driver error he committed that resulted in his Montero crashing into a wall. On the other side of the fence, people are more likely to believe that it was a case of SUA simply because they think that it's just like the "many other cases of SUA" reported in the media. And that leads me to my next point - media has blown the case way out of proportion, and has coaxed many people towards the "SUA exists" camp, because that's where their own biases lie.

And what's interesting is that people tend to feel as strongly about their SUA stand as they do with their political candidates. Which is why it's no surprise that this thread racks up dozens of pages per day even if the same arguments are recycled over and over - no different from political threads.

Ultimately, this whole SUA brouhaha won't affect my personal choice and recommendations for getting an SUV. I'm not a big fan of the Montero but not because of SUA.

It could potentially affect the resale value of used Monteros, but I doubt it because this issue is simply a flavor of the month, and once the media stops focusing on it, the people who're so vocal about SUA will suddenly forget about it and move on to the next flavor of the month they can feast on.

I also doubt it'll have an impact on the sales of the new one (the ugly rear will have a bigger impact I bet).

Anyway, that's just my two cents. Enjoy your daily dose of bickering. [emoji106]🏼


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[frostmourn]

From the ANC headlines earlier today, there's gonna be a DTI probe on the SUA issue next week. I think though, that regardless of the results of the investigation, no matter how many experts they bring in, people will not accept anything other than, "It's Mitsubishi's fault" as an answer.

Like what Deakin said, social media has prejudged the issue, and people will not let the truth get in the way of their preconceived notions.

Personally, I sit at the camp that believes that these SUA cases are mostly, if not entirely, due to driver error. That said, there are a few design elements on the Montero's transmission that make it more susceptible to SUA than other cars.

The first question that is asked for anyone who makes this stand, is "why not the Fortuner or any other AT?". Simple answer - gated shifter and shift lock. The Montero has a straight shifter that allows it to be shifted from R to N to D and any combination of the aforementioned positions without having to step on the brakes. If Mitsubishi were to be held liable for something, it'd be this. However, it has since been rectified (for later models) and it obviously wasn't a known manufacturing defect so you can't say that it was a deliberate lack of foresight on their end. Nonetheless, a crude shifter doesn't give people who don't step on the brakes before changing between gears the right to blame the car instead of themselves. Pedal placement of the Montero isn't any different from other ATs I've driven so anyone with a fair bit of driving experience should easily be able to distinguish the gas and brake pedals.

"Okay then, so what about the Strada?"

Among all theories presented, buyer demographics seems to be the most plausible - everyone wants a Montero, but Stradas are only bought by people looking for pickups, and that bunch doesn't usually include old people who aren't very good at adapting to different cars and different AT setups.

And similar to the Toyota incident presented by Deakin, it's quite obvious that many people have ridden the SUA bandwagon even if it really was a driver error. It works both ways - because the driver knows of the alleged SUA phenomenon, he's quick to blame the hardware for whatever driver error he committed that resulted in his Montero crashing into a wall. On the other side of the fence, people are more likely to believe that it was a case of SUA simply because they think that it's just like the "many other cases of SUA" reported in the media. And that leads me to my next point - media has blown the case way out of proportion, and has coaxed many people towards the "SUA exists" camp, because that's where their own biases lie.

And what's interesting is that people tend to feel as strongly about their SUA stand as they do with their political candidates. Which is why it's no surprise that this thread racks up dozens of pages per day even if the same arguments are recycled over and over - no different from political threads.

Ultimately, this whole SUA brouhaha won't affect my personal choice and recommendations for getting an SUV. I'm not a big fan of the Montero but not because of SUA.

It could potentially affect the resale value of used Monteros, but I doubt it because this issue is simply a flavor of the month, and once the media stops focusing on it, the people who're so vocal about SUA will suddenly forget about it and move on to the next flavor of the month they can feast on.

I also doubt it'll have an impact on the sales of the new one (the ugly rear will have a bigger impact I bet).

Anyway, that's just my two cents. Enjoy your daily dose of bickering. [emoji106]🏼


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Nice review sir Jut.

Hey Mr. Juan Martinez. How about the opinion of Mr. Jut.

[ClaNker]

The Montero has a straight shifter that allows it to be shifted from R to N to D and any combination of the aforementioned positions without having to step on the brakes. If Mitsubishi were to be held liable for something, it'd be this. However, it has since been rectified (for later models) and it obviously wasn't a known manufacturing defect so you can't say that it was a deliberate lack of foresight on their end. Nonetheless, a crude shifter doesn't give people who don't step on the brakes before changing between gears the right to blame the car instead of themselves.

Nice review sir Jut.

Hey Mr. Juan Martinez. How about the opinion of Mr. Jut.

If that was rectified then the question is was there ever a recall to rectify the design flaw of the old models? Surely you just can't blame consumer for being stupid because of your design flaw, yes?

[jut703]

If that was rectified then the question is was there ever a recall to rectify the design flaw of the old models? Surely you just can't blame consumer for being stupid because of your design flaw, yes?

Perhaps rectified isn't the best term to use, since it implies that the first implementation was problematic. That's not my call to make, but obviously MMPC and Mitsu Japan don't consider it a design flaw (it's in their best interest to claim such). An independent testing committee should then validate this claim, but good luck getting DTI to do that.

Again going back to the cases we've seen so far, if you step on the brakes before changing from R to N to D or any combination of the 3, and you're attentive enough to notice whether it's the accelerator or brake pedal you're stepping on, it shouldn't be a problem. The SUA isn't just because of wrong gear placement, but because of pedal misapplication.

I remember a case wherein one guy rammed his Alterra into the service bay of one of our stations, killing a pregnant service crew. His first words? "The car suddenly accelerated". Of course, after reviewing the CCTV, the brakes didn't light up at all, indicating pedal misapplication. The family of the victim filed a case but they've settled out of court as far as I remember. The SUA claim of the driver held no water, since the Alterra isn't known as a SUA vehicle anyway. Montero SUA claims shouldn't be treated any differently, but because of social media hype, people are now easily concluding that it's the car's fault.

And as we've seen in the case of this white Montero, even when it's undoubtedly driver negligence, we still have people defending the driver and claiming that the brake lights went bad right when they switched drivers, then worked fine again right after bumping.


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[dct]

Perhaps rectified isn't the best term to use, since it implies that the first implementation was problematic. That's not my call to make, but obviously MMPC and Mitsu Japan don't consider it a design flaw (it's in their best interest to claim such). An independent testing committee should then validate this claim, but good luck getting DTI to do that.

Again going back to the cases we've seen so far, if you step on the brakes before changing from R to N to D or any combination of the 3, and you're attentive enough to notice whether it's the accelerator or brake pedal you're stepping on, it shouldn't be a problem. The SUA isn't just because of wrong gear placement, but because of pedal misapplication.

I remember a case wherein one guy rammed his Alterra into the service bay of one of our stations, killing a pregnant service crew. His first words? "The car suddenly accelerated". Of course, after reviewing the CCTV, the brakes didn't light up at all, indicating pedal misapplication. The family of the victim filed a case but they've settled out of court as far as I remember. The SUA claim of the driver held no water, since the Alterra isn't known as a SUA vehicle anyway. Montero SUA claims shouldn't be treated any differently, but because of social media hype, people are now easily concluding that it's the car's fault.

And as we've seen in the case of this white Montero, even when it's undoubtedly driver negligence, we still have people defending the driver and claiming that the brake lights went bad right when they switched drivers, then worked fine again right after bumping.


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Exactly my point. Andyan na ang evidence, kung ano ano pang sinasabi. Tindi talaga ng power of media

[Juan Martinez]

Hey Mr. Juan Martinez. How about the opinion of Mr. Jut.

jut 703? oh, he's the kind guy any father would want to be his son-in-law, or, at the very least, a dad would like to have his daughter go out on a date with. even OB sees his maturity. and, just like anybody else who's partial to somebody, i couldn't help but concur with his opinion, except, for only one thing-- the phrase "deliberate lack of foresight." this is so because lack of foresight is impudence, and if you're imprudent you could hardly have deliberated it. yes, it's nitpicking. [emoji4]

[aioshin]

Pag sinapian Kasi, lahat nung pwedeng tapakan naging accelerator... 😈
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[mrjeff]

Siguro wala sa ETAC o TPS ang problema. Baka nagkulang lang ang driver