2013 Mitsubishi Mirage

[Deobulakenyo]

My two cents worth:

1. There is a fine line separating trolling and criticizing. You be the judge which is which based on posts. Frankly only the poster know his intentions. it's difficult to judge

2. I know it hurts a bit when what you love and what you have is being criticized/trolled or downright shredded by another. That's why I liked ratchet23's comments as it contains both positive and negative comments that provide an air of authenticity to his judgement

3. I think it's okay to criticize a product based on its own standards. If a product says it can do this and it can do that. Then if the product can not do this and that, then I think anybody has a right to say "It can not do this EVEN THOUGH it said it can." What I mean is, let's not bash MIrage because it's not a Civic or a Vios. WE should look at it as a Mirage. If one say, Mirage sucks because he's getting only 9km/l, let's not hate the poster, because that's his experience with it. If someone says, I like Mirage's look over Eon, then fine, it's the poster's perspective.

Let us not die for our beliefs, after all we maybe wrong

[happymeal]

Sir , natry ko yan sa city ko nilakihan ko yun height ng tire from 175x65x14 to 175x70x14 , so lumaki yun gulong circumference. so isang revolution o isang ikot ng tire malaki tatakbuhin distance kasi malaki yun circumferential ng tire. I think nag improve fuel efficiency ng city ko that way distance travel per revolution ng tire dadami din. Just my 2 cents not sure

Yes, bigger tire makes the diameter, radius and circumference bigger. One tire rotation will have longer distance.

1.
But doing this put's more stress on the engine. It will require a little more torque to make the car move. More torque equates for a need to higher RPM. Remember that the force applie is in the axle. Example: imagine holding and turning an axle connected to a 1 foot diameter wheel versus a 10 feet diameter ferris wheel. Which requires more torque to turn.

2.
The bigger tires will mess up your odometer. It will make distances shorter. Example: It takes 10 tire turns to go from point A to B. If you use bigger tires, it may take only 9 turns. So your odometer will say that the distance is shorter where in fact it is the same.

3.
Because of item #2, the car MID will mess up also and sayyou consume the same amount of fuel at lower distance traveled. So the fuel consumption will be calculated lower.

So na tripple jeopardy ka.

[nyvlem]

Sir , natry ko yan sa city ko nilakihan ko yun height ng tire from 175x65x14 to 175x70x14 , so lumaki yun gulong circumference. so isang revolution o isang ikot ng tire malaki tatakbuhin distance kasi malaki yun circumferential ng tire. I think nag improve fuel efficiency ng city ko that way distance travel per revolution ng tire dadami din. Just my 2 cents not sure

(like regenerative braking, auto stop n go, alternator management, et)
for 500k car you are expecting these? parang bumibili ka ng burger mcdo and your expecting a big Mac??,

[keith0718]

Thank you for your advise, the truth shall set us free ! Sa mga subcompact na cars ayaw ko rin ng fiesta , eon , i10 or suzuki. Sa top car manufacturer ako pumipile , honda , toyota or Mitshu , wala nang iba ! Taas kasi resell values ng big 3 at matitibay , proven na sila eh.

Tama na sir! Sayang naman ang forum na to, baka maclose pa ng Admin. Gawa na lang po kayo or tayo ng forum na Mitsu Mirage Problems/haters, para nakahiwalay. Dun walang sasaway sa nyo.

Naunahan mo ko sir babam na isuggest yang mirage hater na forum...hahaha....magsamasama mga haters dun sa forum na yun....ngaun pa lang alam na kung sino potential president ng forum na yan.

[Deobulakenyo]

Yes, bigger tire makes the diameter, radius and circumference bigger. One tire rotation will have longer distance.

1.
But doing this put's more stress on the engine. It will require a little more torque to make the car move. More torque equates for a need to higher RPM. Remember that the force applie is in the axle. Example: imagine holding and turning an axle connected to a 1 foot diameter wheel versus a 10 feet diameter ferris wheel. Which requires more torque to turn.

2.
The bigger tires will mess up your odometer. It will make distances shorter. Example: It takes 10 tire turns to go from point A to B. If you use bigger tires, it may take only 9 turns. So your odometer will say that the distance is shorter where in fact it is the same.

3.
Because of item #2, the car MID will mess up also and sayyou consume the same amount of fuel at lower distance traveled. So the fuel consumption will be calculated lower.

So na tripple jeopardy ka.

Re:

1. I read a post by niky saying that the lower the rpm in high gears the more fuel efficient it is.

2. So Mirage GLX and a Mirage GLS, clamped together and driven around will not have the same odo readings since the GLS has a bigger wheel diameter, right?

3. I guess it should be the opposite. The fuel consumption will be higher since the MID will translate lower distance travelled with same amount of fuel. I believe you are saying Fuel Efficiency (not consumption) will be calculated lower.

[happymeal]

Positive or negative feedbacks man lahat ng kotse may ganun and Mirage is the first subcompact of Mitsubishi which has "Good FC" and "cool stuff inside and out" and looks na cool sa generation ng mga subcompact. Nasa sa inyo kung maniniwala kayo at kung gusto pa rin kumuha nitong kotse nato.. You almost heard/ seen every feedbacks from different owners and variants of mirage. Basta ako kukuha pa rin. Di mo malalaman kung di susubukan..
Chill lang..
Peace! =))

The Mirage is experiencing normal early life problems. I bet their assembly plant also has this now.
This is commonly known as the Bathtub Curve because in the early and late life of a machine, the probability of failure is high.
Parang tao din yan, high danger level at alagain kapag sanggol pa lang at kapag gurang na.

So this first year, production issues in Thailand might be high, their yield might be low, learning curve of assembly workers are still growing.
So the initial car produced might have higher potential of defects. As time goes by and will customer feedbacks, their assembly system will be better.
Then more rugged and reliable cars will come out.

In softwares, I don't go and buy version 1.0. What I do is wait for version 1.1 which has a lot of fixes to problems in version 1.0.

Also in cars, I avoid the first year of release. Year two of Mirage will be better.
If you have patience to wait a few more years, year three might have a facelifted version.

But the price might also go up. Sana wag.

I remember the first release of the Picanto here at 365K. After 4 years it became around 450K. If you bought early at 365K, you can still sell your picanto for 300K after 4 years of use. It's like using the car for 4 years for 65K. Sulit.


'Eto ang bathtub if your are interested.
Reliability-Centered Maintenance

[happymeal]

Korek, pre.

About #2 ang mismong rubber wheel diameter ay pareho lang yata (goma to goma diameter). Ang magkaiba lang sa GLS at GLX ay ang wheel rims o steel rims na 14" at 15". Pero compensated ng tire aspect ratio to give you almost the same wheel diameter at circumference (goma to goma). Wala nga lang akong calculator to compute sa ngayon.

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Korek, pre.

About #2 ang mismong rubber wheel diameter ay pareho lang yata (goma to goma diameter). Ang magkaiba lang sa GLS at GLX ay ang wheel rims o steel rims na 14" at 15". Pero compensated ng tire aspect ratio to give you almost the same wheel diameter at circumference (goma to goma). Wala nga lang akong calculator to compute sa ngayon.

[Deobulakenyo]

The Mirage is experiencing normal early life problems. I bet their assembly plant also has this now.
This is commonly known as the Bathtub Curve because in the early and late life of a machine, the probability of failure is high.
Parang tao din yan, high danger level at alagain kapag sanggol pa lang at kapag gurang na.

So this first year, production issues in Thailand might be high, their yield might be low, learning curve of assembly workers are still growing.
So the initial car produced might have higher potential of defects. As time goes by and will customer feedbacks, their assembly system will be better.
Then more rugged and reliable cars will come out.

In softwares, I don't go and buy version 1.0. What I do is wait for version 1.1 which has a lot of fixes to problems in version 1.0.

Also in cars, I avoid the first year of release. Year two of Mirage will be better.
If you have patience to wait a few more years, year three might have a facelifted version.

But the price might also go up. Sana wag.

I remember the first release of the Picanto here at 365K. After 4 years it became around 450K. If you bought early at 365K, you can still sell your picanto for 300K after 4 years of use. It's like using the car for 4 years for 65K. Sulit.


'Eto ang bathtub if your are interested.
Reliability-Centered Maintenance

Thanks for the link. May matututuhan akong bago. I appreciate it

[youngrider]

Yung allocated GLX unit na nakita ko, rubberized (rustproof coating ) na yung underside. Pleasing to the eyes din naman yung GLX with its native tires and wheel cover. Yung interior very simple lang, di sya pangit, pero di rin luxurious. Parang mahirap atang DIY ang oil change, may nakaharang sa taas at baba ng oil filter.

Tama, it is a different burger, kaya dapat it must be advertized as such, sabihin na nila yung 21/km FC ay sa Thailand, Japan, Europe, at Australian models lang yun, dahil iba, distinct and not identical, ang Philippine issue Mirage. No one has said, na lahat ng bells and whistles feature ay dalhin nila dito sa Pilipinas, yung FC at Reliability lang ang mas importante sa marami. But who knows, baka konting gimmick lang eh malampasan natin yung FC ng overseas models, pero kelangan maging realistic muna tayo ng maremedyuhan ang pwedeng maremedyuhan.

[Deobulakenyo]

Yung allocated GLX unit na nakita ko, rubberized (rustproof coating ) na yung underside. Pleasing to the eyes din naman yung GLX with its native tires and wheel cover. Yung interior very simple lang, di sya pangit, pero di rin luxurious. Parang mahirap atang DIY ang oil change, may nakaharang sa taas at baba ng oil filter.

Tama, it is a different burger, kaya dapat it must be advertized as such, sabihin na nila yung 21/km FC ay sa Thailand, Japan, Europe, at Australian models lang yun, dahil iba, distinct and not identical, ang Philippine issue Mirage. No one has said, na lahat ng bells and whistles feature ay dalhin nila dito sa Pilipinas, yung FC at Reliability lang ang mas importante sa marami. But who knows, baka konting gimmick lang eh malampasan natin yung FC ng overseas models, pero kelangan maging realistic muna tayo ng maremedyuhan ang pwedeng maremedyuhan.

Plus dapat may lumabas nang review ng Mirage based on Philippine testing.

[tonsanity]

Hi guys,

So far I am considering 3 possible issues on my GLX CVT - Red.

1.Pop sound ("Tok!") sa steering wheel after kong ibalik/bawiin ung naka-todong dalawang ikot sa left/right.
2.Steel friction sound sa engine (I guess) during ung pinaka unang mga andar (Reverse/Drive) ko from parking
3.Hindi nag-spin back automatically galing sa naka-todong dalawang ikot na steering wheel after turning sa left/right sa road

I am a novice driver and just started driving last week so these issues might be false. Let me know if you are having the same issues or you already found the root cause or better a solution for these problems. Thanks

[chewycandy]

Tama, it is a different burger, kaya dapat it must be advertized as such, sabihin na nila yung 21/km FC ay sa Thailand, Japan, Europe, at Australian models lang yun, dahil iba, distinct and not identical, ang Philippine issue Mirage. No one has said, na lahat ng bells and whistles feature ay dalhin nila dito sa Pilipinas, yung FC at Reliability lang ang mas importante sa marami. But who knows, baka konting gimmick lang eh malampasan natin yung FC ng overseas models, pero kelangan maging realistic muna tayo ng maremedyuhan ang pwedeng maremedyuhan.

False and misleading ang ad ng Mitsu. Not fair. Bakit tayong consumer ang lahat gagawa ng adjustment at magbibigay ng allowance? Kahit sa mga early press release 21km/l ang binabandera nila.

[chewycandy]

Plus dapat may lumabas nang review ng Mirage based on Philippine testing.

At dapat magpaliwanag ang Mitsu Philippines kung bakit ganun ang layo-layo-layo-layo ng actual FC sa ad nila. As in gaano ba ka-ideal yung test drive para sa 21km/l? May "*" lang sila to indicate na may fine print yung 21km/l pero wala namang details.

[youngrider]

Well, initial reports pa lang naman ang FC, maybe once the users are more acquainted with their Mirage and become more conscious about 'tipid driving' eh baka malampasan pa natin yung 21/km FC. Marami atang naunang owners ng Mirage eh medyo bagito pa sa driving, baka over-excited lang talaga sa silinyador, kasi yung iba, ok naman ang FC nila.

Now about FC computation, bakit naman hindi reliable yung sa MID ng Mirage, ano yan laruan lang.

[TechEdge]

At dapat magpaliwanag ang Mitsu Philippines kung bakit ganun ang layo-layo-layo-layo ng actual FC sa ad nila. As in gaano ba ka-ideal yung test drive para sa 21km/l? May "*" lang sila to indicate na may fine print yung 21km/l pero wala namang details.

Eto yung nakalagay dito, Mirage

*MMC Test results using EU combined cycle

Eto naman kung papaano ang testing Euro Combined Cycle, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Eu..._Driving_Cycle

[chewycandy]

Eto yung nakalagay dito, Mirage

*MMC Test results using EU combined cycle

Eto naman kung papaano ang testing Euro Combined Cycle, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Eu..._Driving_Cycle

Nabasa ko rin somewhere na EU fuel economy cycle is not very reflective of the real world driving as compared as US fuel economy cycle.
Fuel economy: Europe vs US - timesofmalta.com

Anyway, aside sa FC. Happy naman ako Mirage. Masyado lang naging mataas ang expectations pagdating sa fuel economy nya.

[caloyphil]

Maganda niyan , yun ginawa ng Honda city /jazz challenge , Full tank yun mga mirage tapos pataasan ng kilometers na makukuha hangang maubos yun last drop ng full tank .pinaka mataas na tinakbo yun may premyo ! Malalaman na natin actual FC sa real world sa Pinas.

Magandang challenge eto para sa mitsu ............patunayan ninyo !!

[nyvlem]

misleading nga ang advertisement nila, but for me, i did ask the SA, and i say to them 21km/l is in the perfect world and in the real world it would fall to 15, and they said yes, so, they were not lying just to get a sales,... We as consumers should really understand that we get as what we pay for.. masama kung kasing price sila ng Prius.. pero hindi.. for me Eon, I10 or any 3 cylinder is just the same. to get from point A to Point B, reason kung bakit mirage, gusto ko yung porma, but for FC not really..

[siuu3ci]

HI guys newbie here and also a new owner of Mirage GLS MT for 2 weeks now. Nagsesearch kasi ako ng mirage reviews and I happen to found this very informative thread! Napakaganda ng thread na ito. I enjoy reading the posts.

That is why gusto ko rin i share experience ko sa mirage ko. So far no defects! Yes kahit isang sira wala ako nakita halos macheck ko na lahat yung sa Manual. actually pati ABS tinest ko din kung gagana and it did aheheh

> FC: At first when I got the car from the dealership going home, I only got 9.3 L/100km (di ko pa reseset sa KM/L) but I guess kinakapa ko pa cguro yung car. Then I start driving papunta sa office, my route vice versa Fariview to Makati, rush hour only around (6am-9am), (6pm-9pm). After maubos yung 1k worth of gas I got 16.8km/L. imagine bumper to bumper traffic lalo na sa edsa. Di ko pa natry sa Highway

> Yung noise na mention earlier, for me halos negligible. And correct sila konting sounds lang di mo na maririnig. The ride is comfortable enough but I think mas tahimik at smooth yung sa honda City. I just dont know if the 15' wheels on the GLS is a contributing factor

> Ayos ang hatak I tried once for a quick 100kph EDSA trinoma going to q.ave kayang kaya! I tried with 4 passengers plus groceries di sya hirap.

> GPS is working very well. Only in Makati area medyo di sya makaupdate ng location agad. I dont know why

> Keyless operation very convenient. Timing and alarm panalo! pag naiwan mo yung key sa car di mo sya malolock sa drivers button. tutunog sya and iiliaw sa display yung key alarm. Nkalagay din sa manual na magaalarm din sya pag low bat yung main key mo.

> yung Auto climate control aside sa temp, blower, vents nacocontrol nya rin pati Defoggers in case may mist.

> Space halos parehong pareho sa Yaris. Actually we tried 4 fit person magsiksikan sa likod kasya. siksikan nga lang hehe.

> 15k discount sa accessories laking tipid. all around skirts worth 19,500. dagdag ka nalng konti. plus paint labor na 3.5k


Yun lang

Cons
- Walang random selection playing MP3s on USB.
- lock/unlock walang silent laging may tunog. nakakahiya lang sa kapitbahay pag gabi na or tulog pa
- yung antenna madali makuha, itwist lang tanggal n agad wala man lang lock
- medyo cheap yung quality ng mga plastics materials. Sana lang di sya madali ma worn out.

[youngrider]

*siuu3ci, did you use the Mirage MID for FC computation? or mano-mano. There are doubts kasi sa reliability ng MID, pero di naman siguro laruan lang yan.