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    #3221
    Quote Originally Posted by caloyphil View Post
    Maganda niyan , yun ginawa ng Honda city /jazz challenge , Full tank yun mga mirage tapos pataasan ng kilometers na makukuha hangang maubos yun last drop ng full tank .pinaka mataas na tinakbo yun may premyo ! Malalaman na natin actual FC sa real world sa Pinas.

    Magandang challenge eto para sa mitsu ............patunayan ninyo !!

    To make it technical and scientific and to cancel as much variable as temperature, speed, road inclination, driving style, traffic, city drives, highway drive, etc, a procedure was made to standardize how fuel consumption is measured.

    Kung baga, ito ang ruler ng fuel consumption, analogous sa ruler na pang sukat ng haba ng pang wiwi mo
    Mas madali kasing sabihin na "6 inches" ka kaysa "isang dangkal" ka.
    Eh paano kung dangkal pala ni Mura

    May iba-iba pa ring style ng FC calculation depende sa part of the world pero let's talk about EU Combined Cycle.
    Ito ang procedure na controlled ng UNECE World Forum: New European Driving Cycle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    Using the same EU combined cycle test, ito ang rating ng dalawang kotseng napupusuan ko:
    Honda Jazz A/T: 14.92 Km/L (via Honda Jazz Review | CarAdvice)
    Mitsubishi Mirage: 21 Km/L (via Mitsu brochure)


    So using the same ruler, the Mirage is better.
    So if you bring it home and do your usual driving route, you will consume less gas with a Mirage.

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    #3222
    Quote Originally Posted by dct View Post
    that's a good idea. mas maganda sana pag may ibang subcompact na car. para mas ma-compare
    sa kia picanto ko ngayon (2005) mga 10kml avg, daily route is from bonifacio to UP technohub (about 20km distance one way trip)

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    #3223
    Quote Originally Posted by saintbodhisatva View Post
    sa kia picanto ko ngayon (2005) mga 10kml avg, daily route is from bonifacio to UP technohub (about 20km distance one way trip)
    whereas the mirage is averaging what? with the same route

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    #3224
    ganito yan:
    if a car moves forward, all front wheels and the steering wheel will go back to center front. kusang didiretso 'yan.
    if the car does not move, then the front wheels and the steering wheel will not budge from their current position. hindi gagalaw yan.

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    #3225
    huong dan ca cuoc tren mang
    huong dan ca cuoc bong da
    huong dan ca do bong da online
    huong dan ca do bong da tren mang
    huong dan ca cuuoc bong da online
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    huong dan ca do bong da truc tuyen
    huong dan ca cuoc bong da truc tuyen
    huong da ca do qua mang
    huong dan ca cuoc qua mang
    cach mo tai khoan ca do online
    cach mo tai khoan ca cuoc online

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    #3226
    Mga Tol,

    Sa 1000KM PM pala, labor lang free. Katatapos lang ni Kuya at gumastos sya ng P3,068.00 para sa 4 liters fully synthetic oil at oil filter. Every 5,000KM ang PMS nya. Compared sa Fiesta, totally walang gastos ang 1000KM PMS at every 10,000KM ang succeeding PMS.

    Balak nya umakyat na ng Baguio dahil natapos anf 1000K PMS ng walang problema. Abot hangga tenga ngiti nya sa kanyang "Margie" (anagram of Mirage hehehe)

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    #3227
    Quote Originally Posted by chewycandy View Post
    False and misleading ang ad ng Mitsu. Not fair. Bakit tayong consumer ang lahat gagawa ng adjustment at magbibigay ng allowance? Kahit sa mga early press release 21km/l ang binabandera nila.
    Nung lumambot buhok ni Kris Aquino dahil sa shampoo at hindi lumambot buhok mo, does it mean false advertising?

    May alam ka ba na car brand na nagbandera ng FC based sa Edsa?

    All of us should understand the nature of these claims and take them with a grain of salt. The are not lying at all but merely performed the tests in a near perfect environment.

    This way you save yourself from a lot of bitterness and heart ache.

    Malay mo bukas patay na ko o kaya me cancer na pala. Wala nang epekto ang FC nun.

    Just enjoy your ride.

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    #3228
    Quote Originally Posted by youngrider View Post
    As consumers kelangan din talaga nating gamiting ang ating isip, di lang yung praise na lang ng praise, bad yan.

    Sir Caloy, yung mga fuel test sa Mirage eh lahat naka set up for Euro 4 compliance at naka-target din for fuel economy which will give monetary and other grants both for Mits and the consumers like tax exemptions and lower car registration fees. Here in the Philippines Euro 2 lang po ang set-up ng Mirage. I am thinking that aside from pulling out economy-system-gadgets (like regenerative braking, auto stop n go, alternator management, etc) and fuel quality, there maybe changes also in ECU settings of PH Mirage which if modified can give us better fuel economy.

    Napansin ko rin that compare with some other cars the the ratio of Mirage engine rotation per rotation of tire is higher though those other cars produce lesser power and torque. Kung lakihan kaya natin yung overall circumference ng tires di kaya mas matipid ito without serious negative effects
    sa torque and acceleration. Sabagay, it needs a dyno para ma-analyze yung power band ng Mirage at different engine speeds and loads.
    If you increase the tire circumference, KM reading in the odometer will fall and thereby falsely report a higher FC. Any change in tire circumference should have a corresponding adjustment in the car's computer to get an accurate KM reading.

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    #3229
    Quote Originally Posted by caloyphil View Post
    Meron positive ....................refundable yun deposit na 10k hahahahahah
    possible ba na i transfer sa ibang buyer, para ma avail naman ang 40k reservation promo?, 20k discount nalang kasi now. tapos bayaran nalang yung nag reserve ng 10k.

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    #3230
    Quote Originally Posted by Deobulakenyo View Post
    Re:

    1. I read a post by niky saying that the lower the rpm in high gears the more fuel efficient it is.

    2. So Mirage GLX and a Mirage GLS, clamped together and driven around will not have the same odo readings since the GLS has a bigger wheel diameter, right?

    3. I guess it should be the opposite. The fuel consumption will be higher since the MID will translate lower distance travelled with same amount of fuel. I believe you are saying Fuel Efficiency (not consumption) will be calculated lower.
    Yep, the actual will be different from the computed. The computer will interpret a lower distance than the actual traveled since based sya sa rotation ng tire at hindi sa GPS location for example.

    As an analogy, let's say ang hakbang ko is one foot and that is what the computer kows. What I do is lakihan ko yung hakbang ko to 2 feet per hakbang. Now if I do 10 steps, my actual distance will 20 feet but the computer will "think" 10 feet lang.

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    #3231
    Quote Originally Posted by caloyphil View Post
    Maganda niyan , yun ginawa ng Honda city /jazz challenge , Full tank yun mga mirage tapos pataasan ng kilometers na makukuha hangang maubos yun last drop ng full tank .pinaka mataas na tinakbo yun may premyo ! Malalaman na natin actual FC sa real world sa Pinas.

    Magandang challenge eto para sa mitsu ............patunayan ninyo !!

    There are a lot of factors affecting fuel consumption. Driving speed, traffic condition, temperature, road inclination, tire condition, laden weight, driver, etc. So what engineers did is to make a standard procedure on how to measure fuel consumption. The EU Combined Cycle test is one of them. This standard is for testing the fuel consumption of all cars sold in Europe using the same metrology process - meaning, all conditions are the same and only the car is different.

    This standard was developed to avoid scenarios like those in comedy movies where the swimming pool is "lampas tao" then someone jumps in only to find out the pool is shallow and the person saying "lampas tao" is a midget.

    So let's look at the fuel consumption of 2 cars I personally like using the same exact procedure - the EU Combined Cycle test:

    Honda Jazz A/T: 14.9 Km / L (via)
    Mitsubishi Mirage CVT: 21 Km/L

    In the real world where you do not have an EU Combined Cycle test bed, you will get lower FC numbers. But the Mirage will still have better FC compared to the Jazz.

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    #3232
    Quote Originally Posted by caloyphil View Post
    Wait muna ako mirage ver. 1.1 baka sakaling lumabas bago mag pasko hehehe. Call ka lang sa Citimotors Alabang , may naka assign na GLX CVT red para sakin , hold ko pa , Look for Vincent. Sana magkaroon ng new version , The new reinvented mirage !

    Para sakin Beta version lang sa ngayon yun Mirage eh

    sir, anong pasko tinutukoy mo? 2012? baka malabo, ilang araw na lang hehehehe


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    #3233
    Quote Originally Posted by caloyphil View Post
    Puede pa yan ina ayus na ng mga engineers mga problema ng mirage , lalabas na Final Beta version

    Call mamaya yun SA ko tanong validity ng Reservation fee , puede naman ako mag hintay kahit isang taon basta final version na ok lang.
    OT: wala nmn daw expiration yung validity ng reservation fee sir, yan ang sabi ng SA ko, kasi nga rin, sa feb ko pa balak kukunin yung mirage ko ...kaya habang hintay, tingin2x nlng sa mga feedbacks muna, pero sure nmn ako na mirage tlga :D

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    Quote Originally Posted by caloyphil View Post
    Puede pa yan ina ayus na ng mga engineers mga problema ng mirage , lalabas na Final Beta version

    Call mamaya yun SA ko tanong validity ng Reservation fee , puede naman ako mag hintay kahit isang taon basta final version na ok lang.
    OT: wala nmn daw expiration yung validity ng reservation fee sir, yan ang sabi ng SA ko, kasi nga rin, sa feb ko pa balak kukunin yung mirage ko ...kaya habang hintay, tingin2x nlng sa mga feedbacks muna, pero sure nmn ako na mirage tlga :D

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    #3234
    Quote Originally Posted by *sludge* View Post
    OT: wala nmn daw expiration yung validity ng reservation fee sir, yan ang sabi ng SA ko, kasi nga rin, sa feb ko pa balak kukunin yung mirage ko ...kaya habang hintay, tingin2x nlng sa mga feedbacks muna, pero sure nmn ako na mirage tlga :D

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    OT: wala nmn daw expiration yung validity ng reservation fee sir, yan ang sabi ng SA ko, kasi nga rin, sa feb ko pa balak kukunin yung mirage ko ...kaya habang hintay, tingin2x nlng sa mga feedbacks muna, pero sure nmn ako na mirage tlga :D
    Good Sir , So basa basa muna tayo ng mga feedback ng mga beta testers? Sorry no offence sa mga naka bile . Kasi parang New Game yan eh ,,,yun version nag babago kapag may nakikitang bugs ,,,parang upgrade kung baga, puede din naman free upgrade running units . Kagandahan lang sa di pa naka kuha may choice pang umatras.

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    #3235
    Quote Originally Posted by vivafoxpro View Post
    Nung lumambot buhok ni Kris Aquino dahil sa shampoo at hindi lumambot buhok mo, does it mean false advertising?

    May alam ka ba na car brand na nagbandera ng FC based sa Edsa?

    All of us should understand the nature of these claims and take them with a grain of salt. The are not lying at all but merely performed the tests in a near perfect environment.

    This way you save yourself from a lot of bitterness and heart ache.

    Malay mo bukas patay na ko o kaya me cancer na pala. Wala nang epekto ang FC nun.

    Just enjoy your ride.
    They were not lying about getting 21km/l under EU cycle but it was misleading. Ang point lang is kung ang testing nila for the 21km/l was performed in a near perfect environment then hinde tama naman na yun ang selling point nila. Kaya ang daming nagrereklamo sa FC kasi sila mismo ang nagtaas ng expectation.

    P.S. Sa buhok ni Kris, yes it is false advertising. Di naman lumabot yung buhok nya sa shampoo pero sa kung ano-anong hair treatment ang ginawa nila yet they claim dahil sa shampoo yun.

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    #3236
    Quote Originally Posted by caloyphil View Post
    Good Sir , So basa basa muna tayo ng mga feedback ng mga beta testers? Sorry no offence sa mga naka bile . Kasi parang New Game yan eh ,,,yun version nag babago kapag may nakikitang bugs ,,,parang upgrade kung baga, puede din naman free upgrade running units . Kagandahan lang sa di pa naka kuha may choice pang umatras.
    no problem caloy, also consider chevy spark, 4cylinder 1.2 engine, manual transmission currently pegged at P598,888.

    if you get a spark soon, its resale value will defintely be higher than the cheapest mirage you can get at P498,000

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    #3237
    Quote Originally Posted by caloyphil View Post
    Wait muna ako mirage ver. 1.1 baka sakaling lumabas bago mag pasko hehehe. Call ka lang sa Citimotors Alabang , may naka assign na GLX CVT red para sakin , hold ko pa , Look for Vincent. Sana magkaroon ng new version , The new reinvented mirage !

    Para sakin Beta version lang sa ngayon yun Mirage eh
    Nakahold kase wala pa pambayad or di pa maapprove sa bank , hahaha.
    Maganda maJailbreak din yung kukuning mong mirage, para pwedeng lagyan ng honda engine at power side view mirror.

    "the new reinvented" - sino yan si Albert Einstein?
    Kung "beta" version dapat libre yan or may expiration ng 30days, hohohohoh.

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    #3238
    Quote Originally Posted by caloyphil View Post
    Good Sir , So basa basa muna tayo ng mga feedback ng mga beta testers? Sorry no offence sa mga naka bile . Kasi parang New Game yan eh ,,,yun version nag babago kapag may nakikitang bugs ,,,parang upgrade kung baga, puede din naman free upgrade running units . Kagandahan lang sa di pa naka kuha may choice pang umatras.
    Yan ang ok sa wala pang pambayad, pwede pang umatras.
    Inngit lang eto sa mga nakabili na.

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    #3239
    Question lang sa mga nakuha na unit nila. Upon release ba ng unit niyo kinuha din ba yung raffle coupon niyo? kasi sakin kinuha yung half portion ng raffle coupon number ko eh. TIA

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    #3240
    I don't think 21km/li is *false advertising*. You can do that on long drives and using some hypermiling techniques. ;)
    I suggest that the guys here take your FC readings (not the MID reading) multiple times so we can get the baseline average.

    Anyway, enjoy the car! ;)

    OT: What I can't stand in this thread is the whining about this and that. Get a freaking Prius! (or an underbone bike)

2013 Mitsubishi Mirage