US government shutdown - your thoughts?

[uls]

no it's not

it's more than that

i said this before -- at the core is ideology

conservative ideology vs. liberal ideology

[uls]

before all this i didnt care what US politicians are up to

now i'm forced to pay attention coz they're causing market turbulence

[[archie]]

no it's not

it's more than that

i said this before -- at the core is ideology

conservative ideology vs. liberal ideology

Yeah and the point of argument of liberal and conservatives is still Obamacare.

[uls]

liberals want the govt to take care of everyone thru govt programs. liberals are compassionate

conservatives hate social programs. conservatives want people to take care of themselves. huwag kayo umasa sa gobyerno. bahala kayo sa buhay niyo

[falken]

But Obamacare is the heart and soul of the shutdown...

Which shouldn't be the case. Obamacare was already enacted into law, meaning the Republican majority in Congress failed to block it. The present shutdown wouldn't have happened if Congress just approved the budget, which was the main agenda. But the Republicans instead of simply deliberating about the budget, insisted that Obamacare should be defunded before they would approve the budget.

They shouldn't have included defunding Obamacare, which is an entirely different entity in the budgetary discussions.

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[[archie]]

Yeah kaya may shutdown... Republicans want to defund for a year. Upon realizing that it's not going to happen, they wanted to compromise with individual mandate. After all Obama gave out waivers to big corporations.

Fully Funding Obamacare is a disaster waiting to happen. Small to medium businesses would need to cut employees or not go beyond the threshold, penalties for those who don't want to pay... It's directly going to affect the budget of middle class people. After all the promises of Obama that spending will be cut, now projections see the it will increase spending. That's the reason why republicans are trying to do their part of easing in the law.

[[archie]]

liberals want the govt to take care of everyone thru govt programs. liberals are compassionate

conservatives hate social programs. conservatives want people to take care of themselves. huwag kayo umasa sa gobyerno. bahala kayo sa buhay niyo

Democrats want everybody happy despite raising taxes. Republicans naman lower taxes but minimal government. May pros and cons pareho that's why they have bipartisan agreements.

[uls]

Republicans just hate everything about Obama

lahat ng gusto gawin ni Obama bina-block nila

kinarir nila ang pag block kay Obama

that's the bottom line

hindi lang ito about Obamacare

[[archie]]

And same way with a republican president. Democrats will always block opposing party.

[uls]

the US govt has never been as divided as it is now

they can fight all they want i don't care

just raise the freaking debt ceiling

[[archie]]

Natawa nga ako sa example ng isang analyst... It's Like a bum drug addict, one last hit lagi but no way to pay.

Raising debt limit should come with spending cuts to overcome debt.

[donbuggy]

This Sad Kid at the Zoo Is Now the Defining Image of the Shutdown - Dashiell Bennett - The Atlantic Wire

[niky]

Yung nag shutdown na yung government, republicans try to talk to democrats to fund this and fund that but the Democrats outright rejected everything.

The Republicans don't want to fund anything.

As uls said... Republicans hate spending on welfare. They hate spending on education. They hate spending on social services. Republicans don't give a muck about the common people. They think the people are on their side on Obamacare because people will have to pay for it themselves.

All Republicans care about funding is subsidies to their pet industries and industrial partners. Period. That's the way it has always been.

Not that the Democrats don't have their own pets, mind you. And some lobbyists have both parties in their pockets.

But Obamacare is the heart and soul of the shutdown...

The Tea Party is the heart and soul of the shutdown. Obamacare is just a rallying cry for them to try to get the public on their side.

And same way with a republican president. Democrats will always block opposing party.

Both recent times the government has shut down, it was always a Republican house trying to bully a Democratic president. I recall there was an infographic before showing the Red:Blue ratio of Congress over the years. Some of the most troubling times in terms of strife between the executive and the legislative branch have been with a Democratic President and a Republican majority.

This is because Republicans like to fight.

It's not as if Republicans are innocent of largesses. The housing bubble that led to the subprime collapse was caused by both Bush and Clinton... both enacted socialist programs that made it easier for poor people to own homes and get loans.

Even the unpopular automotive bailouts that the Republicans like to blame on Obama... THAT was proposed by Bush. And also supported by the Republican candidate at the time.

However much they like to make noise and pretend they oppose needless spending, the Republicans are all for it if the "right" people benefit.

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The Democrats, on the other hand, are going to spend the government into the ground. Expanding welfare only works if you have a growing economy. The US either has to shrink or save. Neither party can do that, really. The Dems will spend on the poor. The Republicans will spend on the rich, who will then invest their money in China and Mexico.

[chookchakchenes]

^
Pinaka-maganda maginvest na sa china.

Hindi pa totally maka-angat dahil may natitira pa maka-mao zedong sa prc. Pag namatay na mga yan magugulat kayo sa china baka masingapore.

[[archie]]

The Republicans don't want to fund anything.

As uls said... Republicans hate spending on welfare. They hate spending on education. They hate spending on social services. Republicans don't give a muck about the common people. They think the people are on their side on Obamacare because people will have to pay for it themselves.

All Republicans care about funding is subsidies to their pet industries and industrial partners. Period. That's the way it has always been.

Not that the Democrats don't have their own pets, mind you. And some lobbyists have both parties in their pockets.



The Tea Party is the heart and soul of the shutdown. Obamacare is just a rallying cry for them to try to get the public on their side.



Both recent times the government has shut down, it was always a Republican house trying to bully a Democratic president. I recall there was an infographic before showing the Red:Blue ratio of Congress over the years. Some of the most troubling times in terms of strife between the executive and the legislative branch have been with a Democratic President and a Republican majority.

This is because Republicans like to fight.

It's not as if Republicans are innocent of largesses. The housing bubble that led to the subprime collapse was caused by both Bush and Clinton... both enacted socialist programs that made it easier for poor people to own homes and get loans.

Even the unpopular automotive bailouts that the Republicans like to blame on Obama... THAT was proposed by Bush. And also supported by the Republican candidate at the time.

However much they like to make noise and pretend they oppose needless spending, the Republicans are all for it if the "right" people benefit.

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The Democrats, on the other hand, are going to spend the government into the ground. Expanding welfare only works if you have a growing economy. The US either has to shrink or save. Neither party can do that, really. The Dems will spend on the poor. The Republicans will spend on the rich, who will then invest their money in China and Mexico.

Yeah that's why too much of republican or too much for Democrat will not be good for their economy.

But before the recent times, democrats also caused a shutdown with a republican president.

The bush administration is the greatest mistake of republicans in my opinion. Markets crash, housing bubble, etc.

Neither is clean for their actions. Democrats want to spend on the common people even if it would hurt the big companies and increase tax for the wealthy. Republicans on the other hand want minimal tax and help big companies to trickle down to more jobs and better economy (or so they say).

Hmm ill take china than Mexico.

[safeorigin]

People have to move on from the left-right paradigm to be honest.

[niky]

People have to move on from the left-right paradigm to be honest.

Hehe... they have. It's now a matter of whose back you're scratching.

The Tea Party's aim is, in some ways, a noble one... move the Conservative party back to fiscal conservativism.

Unfortunately, they're turning a lot of people off with what they're doing right now.

[safeorigin]

PRINCETON, NJ -- Amid the government shutdown, 60% of Americans say the Democratic and Republicans parties do such a poor job of representing the American people that a third major party is needed. That is the highest Gallup has measured in the 10-year history of this question. A new low of 26% believe the two major parties adequately represent Americans.

Trend: Perceived Need for a Third Major U.S. Political Party

The results are consistent with Gallup's finding of more negative opinions of both parties since the shutdown began, including a new low favorable rating for the Republican Party, and Americans' widespread dissatisfaction with the way the nation is being governed.

The prior highs in perceived need for a third party came in August 2010, shortly before that year's midterm elections, when Americans were dissatisfied with government and the Tea Party movement was emerging as a political force; and in 2007, when the newly elected Democratic congressional majority was clashing with then-President George W. Bush.

A majority of Americans have typically favored a third party in response to this question. Notably, support has dropped below the majority level in the last two presidential election years in which Gallup asked the question, 2012 and 2008. Support for a third party was lowest in 2003, the first year Gallup asked the question. That year, 40% thought the U.S. needed a third party, while 56% believed the Republicans and Democrats were doing an adequate job.

In U.S., Perceived Need for Third Party Reaches New High

drum roll please...

[uls]

this is what happens when you play brinksmanship and lose

the other side becomes bolder

the Democrats, seeing how badly beaten up the Republicans are at the polls, now want automatic spending cuts that kicked in this year reversed

Talks to End Shutdown, Raise Debt Ceiling Deadlocked - ABC News

Oct 13, 2013 8:25am

Talks on ending the government shutdown and preventing default have once again deadlocked, but this time it is Democrats who are demanding changes to current law as a condition for ending the impasse.

With the two sides now negotiating to extend government funding until at least January 31, Democrats are now insisting on spending increases — they want to end most of the cuts put in place as part of the so-called sequester. Democrats are still willing to accept a short-term deal to reopen the government at sequester spending levels (the Senate, of course, passed a 6-week extension on those terms), but now that talks are centered on funding the government into 2014, they are insisting on undoing some of sequester cuts. To Republicans, this is a non-starter, unless the sequester spending cuts are replaced with cuts to entitlement programs — and that is a non-starter for Democrats.

The impasse makes it more likely there will be no agreement when markets reopen Monday morning. If an agreement is not soon reached, it may be impossible to pass anything before October 17, the day the Treasury Department says the government risks default if Congress does not extend the government’s ability to borrow money.

[CVT]

The American War Cemetery in Taguig City was also shutdown when we passed by that area yesterday....



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