US government shutdown - your thoughts?

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Ummm... But the Democrats were the one who said, if defund or anything less than a full implementation, there was no talks on budget. Republicans passing a budget without Obamacare is like having it defunded.

Republicans are saying test it out for a year but Democrats are refusing, they want full budget and implementation.

[Balikpinoy]

Ummm... But the Democrats were the one who said, if defund or anything less than a full implementation, there was no talks on budget. Republicans passing a budget without Obamacare is like having it defunded.

Republicans are saying test it out for a year but Democrats are refusing, they want full budget and implementation.

There's no such thing as a test it out law.

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Even if the the law requires 260% more annual payments for non eligible Obama care health care users. Then penalty if some of the bracket cannot afford or get health care.

Testing it out and resolve glitches in a year would make it less of a strain on the economy.

[roninblade]

Ummm... But the Democrats were the one who said, if defund or anything less than a full implementation, there was no talks on budget. Republicans passing a budget without Obamacare is like having it defunded.

Republicans are saying test it out for a year but Democrats are refusing, they want full budget and implementation.

they have undermined everything that has to do with obamacare and health reform. even if the Dems agree to a test period, the GOPs budget, which will defund Obamacare, would render it lame and ineffective. so how can you test if it works or not if it doesn't get the funding it needs for proper implementation.

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Republicans are saying to give out wavers on the to people that don't need Obamacare like what the president did for big corporations. It's not going to be defunded entirely, that's the reason for compromise that they are pursuing.

Small and medium businesses would be affected, people paying penalty then have no health care.

[uls]

Ummm... But the Democrats were the one who said, if defund or anything less than a full implementation, there was no talks on budget. Republicans passing a budget without Obamacare is like having it defunded.

Obamacare has nothing to do with passing a budget to keep the government operating but the Republicans attached Obamacare to the budget talk

they want Obamacare defunded coz they hate Obamacare

just coz they hate Obamacare they're willing to let the govt shut down

that's what the US public sees

that's why Republicans are so unpopular now with the US public

Republicans are saying test it out for a year but Democrats are refusing, they want full budget and implementation.

huh?

test for 1 year? where did you get that?

they wanted Obamacare postponed for 1 year after the Senate rejected their bill to defund Obamacare

[niky]

Ummm... But the Democrats were the one who said, if defund or anything less than a full implementation, there was no talks on budget. Republicans passing a budget without Obamacare is like having it defunded.

Republicans are saying test it out for a year but Democrats are refusing, they want full budget and implementation.

Like the others have said. GOP Kool-Aide. The Dems already backed off on some provisions and have given the Republicans some of the things they wanted. They made noise, the Dems responded.

And now Tea Party extremists want to push even more... by removing the law (that they helped cobble into its final shape) completely.

Even the moderate Republicans are trying to distance themselves from the Tea Party. They realize how stupid this whole thing is.

Democrats didn't shut down the government. The government shut down because the Tea Party pulled off the ultimate filibuster by drawing out the budget signing past its deadline. Unlike the Philippines, where no budget means status quo... when no budget is passed in the US, no money comes out of the coffers to fund the Federal government.

The smart thing for the Republican party to do is to allow Obamacare to pass. And if it hurts the economy and hurts the people, then they've got great talking points for winning the next Presidential election, and can fix it there.

What they're doing now is simply ensuring the Democrats will win the next election. And the next. And the next. What sane person is going to vote a bunch of spoiled, petulant extremists into power? Even if they're right about Obamacare?

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It's all over the news, the republicans passed 8 proposals to start talks. All of them were rejected by Democrats. Republicans already have a team of people to talk on compromise but democrats did not send people despite what Obama said that he is willing to talk.

[uls]

It's all over the news, the republicans passed 8 proposals to start talks. All of them were rejected by Democrats. Republicans already have a team of people to talk on compromise but democrats did not send people despite what Obama said that he is willing to talk.

all their bills were rejected by the Senate coz they could not pass a budget bill that's "clean" --- meaning a budget bill na walang mention of Obamacare

the budget bill is supposed to be budget only but Republicans kept attaching Obamacare to it

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you seem to think the GOP are fair minded but don't you get that it should not even be open for discussion at this point. how fair minded and level-headed is it to hold the entire nation hostage so you can get what you want? it was already passed and the supreme court already upheld the law. like somebody else said above, there are no test-it-first laws.

[uls]

the Tea Party has been hijacked the Republican party

there's no reasoning with those people

they're extremists

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the Tea Party has hijacked the Republican party

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FTFY bro

[uls]

i said i dont wanna take sides

i just wanna see the debt ceiling raised

anyone who doesnt live in a cave should be worried

the foundation of the current global financial system is built on the US government's creditworthiness

US treasury securities are the safest financial assets in the world and everything else is built upon that

if the USG defaults on only 1 payment it will shake the foundation of the global financial system

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Like the others have said. GOP Kool-Aide. The Dems already backed off on some provisions and have given the Republicans some of the things they wanted. They made noise, the Dems responded.

And now Tea Party extremists want to push even more... by removing the law (that they helped cobble into its final shape) completely.

Even the moderate Republicans are trying to distance themselves from the Tea Party. They realize how stupid this whole thing is.

Democrats didn't shut down the government. The government shut down because the Tea Party pulled off the ultimate filibuster by drawing out the budget signing past its deadline. Unlike the Philippines, where no budget means status quo... when no budget is passed in the US, no money comes out of the coffers to fund the Federal government.

The smart thing for the Republican party to do is to allow Obamacare to pass. And if it hurts the economy and hurts the people, then they've got great talking points for winning the next Presidential election, and can fix it there.

What they're doing now is simply ensuring the Democrats will win the next election. And the next. And the next. What sane person is going to vote a bunch of spoiled, petulant extremists into power? Even if they're right about Obamacare?

Republicans are not saying to shut down, just lessen the implementation. But that's a good idea in a political stand point to let Obamacare pass they let people see what it can do to the economy. It's just me that sees this in the republicans side.

all their bills were rejected by the Senate coz they could not pass a budget bill that's "clean" --- meaning a budget bill na walang mention of Obamacare

the budget bill is supposed to be budget only but Republicans kept attaching Obamacare to it

They did pass clean bills... But outright rejected by Democrats.

you seem to think the GOP are fair minded but don't you get that it should not even be open for discussion at this point. how fair minded and level-headed is it to hold the entire nation hostage so you can get what you want? it was already passed and the supreme court already upheld the law. like somebody else said above, there are no test-it-first laws.

In my mind, if it's going to strain the economy, even its a law... There is not much hurt if they let people sign waivers that don't need Obamacare care. The white house can't even put out numbers on who signed up. In an example, (I think it was Maryland but I can be wrong) weekly numbers should be in the thousands but only 300+ did. A waiver isn't that bad in my mind.

[uls]

Republicans are not saying to shut down, just lessen the implementation. But that's a good idea in a political stand point to let Obamacare pass they let people see what it can do to the economy. It's just me that sees this in the republicans side.

why do you keep saying Republicans want to "let Obamacare pass"? Obamacare is already passed. it's a law na nga. Republicans want to stop Obamacare. First they want to cut funding to Obamacare. na-reject. then they want Obamacare postponed for 1 year. na-reject

They did pass clean bills... But outright rejected by Democrats.

what clean bill? di nga sila maka submit sa Senate ng budget bill na walang mention sa Obamacare

they keep attaching Obamacare to the budget bill nga

[uls]

para malinaw lang ha

Republicans -- galit sa Obamacare. they're doing everything to stop it

Democrats -- gusto Obamacare

[Balikpinoy]

Republicans are not saying to shut down, just lessen the implementation. But that's a good idea in a political stand point to let Obamacare pass they let people see what it can do to the economy. It's just me that sees this in the republicans side.





They did pass clean bills... But outright rejected by Democrats.



In my mind, if it's going to strain the economy, even its a law... There is not much hurt if they let people sign waivers that don't need Obamacare care. The white house can't even put out numbers on who signed up. In an example, (I think it was Maryland but I can be wrong) weekly numbers should be in the thousands but only 300+ did. A waiver isn't that bad in my mind.

Which clean bills?

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why do you keep saying Republicans want to "let Obamacare pass"? Obamacare is already passed. it's a law na nga. Republicans want to stop Obamacare. First they want to cut funding to Obamacare. na-reject. then they want Obamacare postponed for 1 year. na-reject





what clean bill? di nga sila maka submit sa Senate ng budget bill na walang mention ng Obamacare

they keep attaching Obamacare to the budget bill nga

At first they want to delay implementation but that did not work so they said put out waivers to lessen the impact on the economy. Democrats want full implementation period. No talks no nothing unless Obama care is funded.

They passed bills to fund other sectors of government but democrats rejected unless republicans cave in to full implementation.

[uls]

They passed bills to fund other sectors of government but democrats rejected unless republicans cave in to full implementation.

Republicans passed bills to fund parts of the govt coz they're getting a lot of heat from the US public after letting the govt shut down

damage control yan

they know they have become unpopular kaya nagpapabango

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But the Democrats are stopping it to be funded. No Obama care no talks. That's their stand point.