US government shutdown - your thoughts?

[uls]

the Tea Party has been hijacked the Republican party

there's no reasoning with those people

they're extremists

[roninblade]

the Tea Party has hijacked the Republican party

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FTFY bro

[uls]

i said i dont wanna take sides

i just wanna see the debt ceiling raised

anyone who doesnt live in a cave should be worried

the foundation of the current global financial system is built on the US government's creditworthiness

US treasury securities are the safest financial assets in the world and everything else is built upon that

if the USG defaults on only 1 payment it will shake the foundation of the global financial system

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Like the others have said. GOP Kool-Aide. The Dems already backed off on some provisions and have given the Republicans some of the things they wanted. They made noise, the Dems responded.

And now Tea Party extremists want to push even more... by removing the law (that they helped cobble into its final shape) completely.

Even the moderate Republicans are trying to distance themselves from the Tea Party. They realize how stupid this whole thing is.

Democrats didn't shut down the government. The government shut down because the Tea Party pulled off the ultimate filibuster by drawing out the budget signing past its deadline. Unlike the Philippines, where no budget means status quo... when no budget is passed in the US, no money comes out of the coffers to fund the Federal government.

The smart thing for the Republican party to do is to allow Obamacare to pass. And if it hurts the economy and hurts the people, then they've got great talking points for winning the next Presidential election, and can fix it there.

What they're doing now is simply ensuring the Democrats will win the next election. And the next. And the next. What sane person is going to vote a bunch of spoiled, petulant extremists into power? Even if they're right about Obamacare?

Republicans are not saying to shut down, just lessen the implementation. But that's a good idea in a political stand point to let Obamacare pass they let people see what it can do to the economy. It's just me that sees this in the republicans side.

all their bills were rejected by the Senate coz they could not pass a budget bill that's "clean" --- meaning a budget bill na walang mention of Obamacare

the budget bill is supposed to be budget only but Republicans kept attaching Obamacare to it

They did pass clean bills... But outright rejected by Democrats.

you seem to think the GOP are fair minded but don't you get that it should not even be open for discussion at this point. how fair minded and level-headed is it to hold the entire nation hostage so you can get what you want? it was already passed and the supreme court already upheld the law. like somebody else said above, there are no test-it-first laws.

In my mind, if it's going to strain the economy, even its a law... There is not much hurt if they let people sign waivers that don't need Obamacare care. The white house can't even put out numbers on who signed up. In an example, (I think it was Maryland but I can be wrong) weekly numbers should be in the thousands but only 300+ did. A waiver isn't that bad in my mind.

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Republicans are not saying to shut down, just lessen the implementation. But that's a good idea in a political stand point to let Obamacare pass they let people see what it can do to the economy. It's just me that sees this in the republicans side.

why do you keep saying Republicans want to "let Obamacare pass"? Obamacare is already passed. it's a law na nga. Republicans want to stop Obamacare. First they want to cut funding to Obamacare. na-reject. then they want Obamacare postponed for 1 year. na-reject

They did pass clean bills... But outright rejected by Democrats.

what clean bill? di nga sila maka submit sa Senate ng budget bill na walang mention sa Obamacare

they keep attaching Obamacare to the budget bill nga

[uls]

para malinaw lang ha

Republicans -- galit sa Obamacare. they're doing everything to stop it

Democrats -- gusto Obamacare

[Balikpinoy]

Republicans are not saying to shut down, just lessen the implementation. But that's a good idea in a political stand point to let Obamacare pass they let people see what it can do to the economy. It's just me that sees this in the republicans side.





They did pass clean bills... But outright rejected by Democrats.



In my mind, if it's going to strain the economy, even its a law... There is not much hurt if they let people sign waivers that don't need Obamacare care. The white house can't even put out numbers on who signed up. In an example, (I think it was Maryland but I can be wrong) weekly numbers should be in the thousands but only 300+ did. A waiver isn't that bad in my mind.

Which clean bills?

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why do you keep saying Republicans want to "let Obamacare pass"? Obamacare is already passed. it's a law na nga. Republicans want to stop Obamacare. First they want to cut funding to Obamacare. na-reject. then they want Obamacare postponed for 1 year. na-reject





what clean bill? di nga sila maka submit sa Senate ng budget bill na walang mention ng Obamacare

they keep attaching Obamacare to the budget bill nga

At first they want to delay implementation but that did not work so they said put out waivers to lessen the impact on the economy. Democrats want full implementation period. No talks no nothing unless Obama care is funded.

They passed bills to fund other sectors of government but democrats rejected unless republicans cave in to full implementation.

[uls]

They passed bills to fund other sectors of government but democrats rejected unless republicans cave in to full implementation.

Republicans passed bills to fund parts of the govt coz they're getting a lot of heat from the US public after letting the govt shut down

damage control yan

they know they have become unpopular kaya nagpapabango

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But the Democrats are stopping it to be funded. No Obama care no talks. That's their stand point.