Guns: A Necessity in Today's Society?

[safeorigin]

I prefer a semi-automatic rifle over a shotgun. With a rifle that's only one bullet you have to worry about. With a shotgun, you have to worry about the pellets and the people behind them.

The problem with rifles of course is the high probability of overpenetration. In close quarters, you'd be better off with a handgun. If you have a compound or large property to protect, you're better off with a rifle.

[yebo]

Afaik rifles that use military rounds (5.56, 7.62 nato for the m14 and other nato rifles, 7.62 x 39mm for the ak47, etc) are only sold to military and police forces. Civilians can only own the .30 m1 and m2 carbines.

btw, 7.62 x 51 nato ammo is not the same as 7.62 x 39 soviet block ammo. The first is used by nato and their alies, used in the m14, m60 and other 7.62 nato guns. The later is used on the ak 47.

glocks are safe action pistols. It is almost like a double action only pistol but with a shorter trigger pull. If you plan to buy this type of pistol which is striker fired (as against hammer fired pistols like the colt 1911 and browning action pistols) YOU BETTER BE PREPARED TO SPEND A LOT ON PRACTICE AMMUNITION IF YOU EVER WANT TO EVEN GET NEAR THE BULS EYE ON YOUR TARGET PAPER. The trigger pull may be light (out of the box pistols have anywhere between 5 and 6 pounds trigger pull) but it takes a lot of practice to be able to keep the barrel pointed to where you want it to hit while pulling the trigger. That is why the single action colt 1911 pistol is still preferred in competitions.

if you want a compromise then get a da/sa pistol ( that's double action/single action for the novices here) like as suggested earlier the cz75. This is a browning action pistol, where the barrel tips to unlock the slide when the weapon is fired. The hammer is usually in the uncocked or half cocked position on the first round. The hamer is cocked by the trigger action much like on a revolver. After the first round is fired the trigger assumes the single action mode, like on a colt 1911.

if you do get a da/sa pistol make sure you practice shooting as much in double action mode as much as you do in single action. You'll never know when you will need to fire from a draw with no time to cock that hammer.

i have a cz75b .40sw da/sa and a bersa thunder .380 da/sa. They are both very easy to shoot, the design of the frame very ergonomic and has a natural "point", meaning it is shaped so that the barrel points to where your hand points. My wife can easily fire both. We are looking now to get a cz rami in 9mm for my wife, budget allowing.

[safeorigin]

^While the 1911 is good for competition, it's not the type of gun you want to depend your life on.

There's a good reason why CZ 75 and glocks are preferred by military and police: reliability

[safeorigin]

.50 cal actually designed for disabling light armored vehicles ^^

[MonteroGLSV]

.50 cal actually designed for disabling light armored vehicles ^^

lakas nun sir hehe ako ayos na ung baril na hindi pumuputok haha

[cast_no_shadow]

^man that's scary. Disaster waiting to happen. Sabay sabi ni miss "ooops im sorry?"

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[yebo]

The problem with rifles of course is the high probability of overpenetration.

You can use a soft point ammo or even frangible ammo, guaranteed not to pass through.

[safeorigin]

You can use a soft point ammo or even frangible ammo, guaranteed not to pass through.

That and shooting steel targets at close range. Shooting at close quarters you need an SBR, a rifle with folding stock, or a bullpup IMHO. Most would recommend not having a barrel length less than 10 inches except maybe in the case of a 5.45x39 rifle(AK-74).

[jmpet626]

Necessary nga for protection sa mga panahon ngayon. I remember sa gunstore may nakasabay akong Lolo na na naka wheel chair bumili siya nung .22 na hand gun for protection

Like this:


Damn! Kahit naka ilang practice na ko sa Gun Range nagugulat pa din ako sa first few rounds kahit may ear protection na when firing my .40 handgun. Paano na lang kaya pag totoong buhay na hehe

[frenchtower]

While talking about Barrett firearms, have anyone of you actually tried one? I have experienced shooting one while attending an outdoor event at Raahauge. I tried a rental unit and it is what I expect... a strong kicking mule!!!

If you want to know how much is the rent?

[frenchtower]

Are guns necessary in today's society? YES absolutely! Bath salts are becoming widely available nowadays :-)

[foresterx]

Afaik rifles that use military rounds (5.56, 7.62 nato for the m14 and other nato rifles, 7.62 x 39mm for the ak47, etc) are only sold to military and police forces. Civilians can only own the .30 m1 and m2 carbines.

ver very wrong bro, like i said only .50cal is not allowed for civilians. all of the rounds you mentioned are very very legal to civilians.

^While the 1911 is good for competition, it's not the type of gun you want to depend your life on.

There's a good reason why CZ 75 and glocks are preferred by military and police: reliability

i agree, 1911 is an old platform and is not really as reliable as modern guns these days. don't get me wrong it's a great gun and will always be a classic. but it takes a lot of work to be accurate and as reliable as other guns. i have a colt 1911 and used to have an STI, the STI lightly modded and planned to use it in the range but didn't really like it and was pointless for me since i don't join competitions. out of all the pistols i have if i can only keep one it will be the glock, it's not as macho as my colt or as ***y as my sig sauer but it fires every time i shoot it and very very reliable to the point that i only clean it after i've fired atleast 500 rounds. unlike my colt and sti which needed a lot of care because if i don't it will jam and mapili pa sa bala, unlike my glock which fired every thing i feed it, basta wag lang lead na reload walang problema.

would i trust my life with a 1911? yes, it's till better than having nothing at all. but if i have another choice which in my case i do, then the 1911 will be my last choice for self defense. i only have a colt 1911 because as a gun lover it is one of those must have guns. for me the must have pistols are the colt 1911, glock 17, sig sauer p226 and hk usp. yan kasi yung mga classic and really had a huge impact on a lot of modern pistols today.

[Altis6453]

A lawyer friend of mine carries a sawed-off Norinco 12Ga. double barrel shotgun in the car. He's been handling cases involving drugs and illegal gambling so takot siya sa mga ambush ng riding in tandem. The judge hearing one of his cases got killed by the same MO.

[jick.cejoco]

yup
what you need is/are close quarter battle weapons, not sniper weapons. long and powerful weapons will never stand in court as a defensive weapon. this would fall under premeditated murder. automatic fire weapons as well are assault weapons-not defensive weapons.

[yebo]

yup
what you need is/are close quarter battle weapons, not sniper weapons. long and powerful weapons will never stand in court as a defensive weapon. this would fall under premeditated murder. automatic fire weapons as well are assault weapons-not defensive weapons.

maybe it will depend on what you're defending and who you're shooting? if you are in your house shooting at akyat bahay, or in a farm fighting off rope thieves (the kind of rope with a cow at the other end) the an assault rifle is justified.

but yes, an m4 in a car for self defense? naaah! it is not something you bring along unless you're mr. henry sy's security detail.

[yebo]

ver very wrong bro, like i said only .50cal is not allowed for civilians. all of the rounds you mentioned are very very legal to civilians.



i agree, 1911 is an old platform and is not really as reliable as modern guns these days.

i stand corrected then. nung kasi nagtanong ako when i got my m16 sabi sa akin sa fed di daw pwede. so that is why madaming ads ngayon for m4 and similar weapons in the internet. hmmm, time to save!

yup the 1911 is not that reliable, needs to be cleaned all the time, and highly modified to be reliable. that is why competition 1911's are so expensive because of all the mods that go with it. the only reason they use it in competitions is that there is nothing out there that even comes close to the smooth trigger pull of its single action trigger. lalo pa pag highly modified na, like say having a 3 pound pull, aluminum trigger and custom made sear. but yeah, pang competition na lang siya. it is not something you would prefer having in a gun fight.

[_Cathy_]

Please post pictures of your guns with a short description please

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[yebo]

Please post pictures of your guns with a short description please

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Chezka and Bersy


the chrome plated pistol is a CZ75B caliber.40sw da/sa pistol using the browning action principle (barrel tips down when a round is fired unlocking the slide). it originally was purchased in blued finish and came with a 10 round magazine (10+1 in chamber for a total of 11 rounds). I had it chrome plated (it had begun to rust) and changed the magazines to 12 round capacity, so it is now a 12+1 pistol. it is factory fitted with a 316 stainless steel barrel rated for +P rounds. safeties include a firing pin block (weapon will not fire even if you drop it hammer first) and manual safety. the manual safety can not be activated when the hammer is in the uncocked or half-cocked position making the pistol in an always ready mode if uncocked or half-cocked (which i prefer). i have replaced the hammer spring and the trigger pull is now at 5 pounds (original was 8 pounds). i have fired probably close to 4000 rounds with this pistol. i used to be able to put all 12 rounds right in the center when i was still a regular at the range. i can still hit all 12 falling plates at 12 meters distance (8 inch diameter plates) with 12 rounds in quick succession last time i was at the range with my glasses on (yeah, age has caught up with my eyesight). future planned mod is to upgrade the sights to tritium sights but i have not yet found a dealer with tritium sights for the cz in .40sw. i forgot, i recently replaced the grips to hogue grips (not shown in this picture).

the smaller blued finish pistol is a bersa thunder .380acp da/sa with adjustable rear sights, decocker lever safety and a 15+1 magazine. it is a blow-back operated pistol (the slide is functioned by the expanding gases when a round is fired). the trigger in double action mode (hammer uncocked or half-cocked) has a bit long trigger travel but quite light, approximately 7 pounds trigger pull. on single action trigger mode the trigger pull is below 5 pounds. i have fired only close to 500 rounds with this pistol (ammo hard to come by at the range for a .380acp pistol) but i am quite confident with it. it has very minimal recoil due to it using a .380acp round and also because it operates on blow back. i made my smallest shot group with this pistol, a 1/2" 5 shot group at 15 meters on a bench. my wife also prefers this over the CZ.

[bakaldos]

i was born in a family of gun enthusiasts. from great grand dad, great grand uncles down the family tree.. pati mga kids ko ngayon mahilig sa bengbeng.
unfortunately, the new gun law is so prohibitive for not so rich and not so powerful people to legally own a gun.

[yebo]

this is the exact hogue grips i have now on the CZ.