Guns: A Necessity in Today's Society?

[foresterx]

If I can have it my way, I will be carrying an AK47 24 hrs a day. That and a sword

I have a new found fascination for guns. For me guns are not just modern marvels but a thing of beauty. Their not just well engineered but well crafted. I am particularly fascinated with the AK47 maybe because it's the kind of gun that matches my rage, it's the kind of gun that tells people don't f1ck with me But seriously, the AK47 has numerous references in pop culture - it has a reputation for being so bad ass. It's those darn Vietnam war films, most in particular Stanley Kubrick's Full Metal Jacket. The Kalashnikov is so sinister that it is so cool

When I hear about incidents like this, I just wish I had an AK47, no conscience and a licence to kill :hammer: I am looking forward to seeing this beauty for real.

For our tsikot gun enthusiasts, does anyone have an idea how expensive this gun is? Is it as rare in the Philippines as I think it is?

ak-47 is easily found in the philippines but not the russian ak47 since that was discontinued a long time ago, most of the ak's distributed around the world these days are chinese ak47's. even in iraq and afgan 90% of the ak's are chinese. anyway it's available locally norinco is the brand and around 50-60k pesos only but the problem is the ammo is very hard to find and expensive. the problem is with the new gun control in the philippines you're not allowed to buy a fully automatic weapon anymore if you so that means no more ak's since the ak is a fully auto weapon. if you had a fully auto rifle before then you can still own it but you can't add any full auto weapon anymore to your collection.

BTT: i think guns is not a necessity but these days in our country that became so dangerous and you can't really on the people who should be protecting you, protecting yourself is a necessity. it's up to you how you want to protect yourself, knife, gun, bat, stun gun, pepper spray whatever you can use. what i hate is the PNP is treating legal gun owners today like criminals, right now PTC's are next to impossible to get and license renewal and transfer is taking forever. it's already hard enough to get ptc's and license back then but they still added more requirements to get one and became even stricter. which is pretty stupid since criminals never used a legal gun in a crime, so what they're doing is useless and because of that people who want to protect themselves can't. i guarantee that if PNP keep doing what they're doing to legal gun owners these days then the number of lose firearms will rise. in the local gun forums i frequently visit a lot of people are starting to bring their guns even though they still haven't been issued a PTC, their reason, it's better to be tried in court by 6 people than 6 people carrying your coffin. basically mas ok nang ikaw ang maaresto kesa ikaw ang mapatay since pag na aresto ka pwede mo pa depensahan ang sarili mo sa korte.

[foresterx]

btw how the **** can you trust our PNP when they think criminals are heroes!

Purisima: ‘Criminals are now heroes’
PNP chief rues allegations vs cops
By Nikko Dizon, Jerome Aning
Philippine Daily Inquirer
2:45 am | Saturday, July 20th, 2013
59 860 405

With a series of alleged wrongdoings being leveled at policemen, the country’s top cop on Friday lamented that criminals now appear to be the heroes.

Director General Alan Purisima, chief of the Philippine National Police (PNP), noted that stories are going around about the involvement of policemen in crimes.

“We have to verify these reports. With so many stories coming out, even members of the media are unwittingly being used because they are fed false information. A criminal is becoming the hero. It’s now the reverse,” Purisima said at a press conference.

Among the more recent allegations were that Cavite policemen and national penitentiary prison guards had accepted payoffs from escaped Ozamiz gang leader Ricky Cadavero, that Cadavero and his right-hand man Wilfredo Panogalinga Jr. were summarily executed by policemen on Monday night, that a witness to the killings of Cadavero and Panogalinga had gone missing, and that policemen who recaptured drug lord Li Lan Yan alias Jackson Dy and his wife, Wang Li Na, had helped themselves to the cash and illegal drugs found in the couple’s safe house in San Juan City.

Most embarrassing to the PNP so far this year was the incident in January in which policemen from Calabarzon (Cavite, Laguna, Batangas, Rizal, Quezon), with backing from military troops, killed an illegal gambling lord and 12 other men in an alleged shootout in Atimonan town, Quezon province. An investigation by the PNP itself found that incident was a “rubout,” which was confirmed by the National Bureau of Investigation (NBI) after its own investigation.

Twenty-five policemen and soldiers, including the ground commander of the Atimonan operation, Supt. Hansel Marantan, are facing criminal charges for the killings.

On Friday, Justice Secretary Leila de Lima said there were “indications” that the shooting of Cadavero and Panogalinga in San Pedro town, Laguna province, on Monday night was a rubout.

“There are indications of that (rubout), but I am not prepared to say it categorically,” De Lima told reporters.

Read more: Purisima: ?Criminals are now heroes? | Inquirer News ... z2Zc6sDVNV

parang gusto ko tuloy maging criminal atleast hero ako sa mata ng mga pulis at di na kelangan ng license and ptc para sa mga baril ko wala pa gun ban gun ban.

[lowslowbenz]

I have a 9mm handgun inside my bed side table, and a shot gun in the closet. If I see somebody in the middle of the night scaling my fence, I will shoot it.

[vinj]

I have a 9mm handgun inside my bed side table, and a shot gun in the closet. If I see somebody in the middle of the night scaling my fence, I will shoot it.

Just make sure the target is not a "friendly"... :naughty2: Malay mo it's just your pretty neighbor wanting a good time. Hindi alam na married ka pala. (in which case, it's your better half who might do the shooting) :D

BTT: i think guns is not a necessity but these days in our country that became so dangerous and you can't really on the people who should be protecting you, protecting yourself is a necessity. it's up to you how you want to protect yourself, knife, gun, bat, stun gun, pepper spray whatever you can use.

This i agree with. A gun is not necessary but security is. Choose whatever you feel is fit for you because not all people can handle guns and might end up as a liability instead of a source of security.

In my case, gun it is. And yes, even my kids be taught how to safely handle one when they are mature enough.

It's very sad indeed that we cannot even trust the people who are supposed to protect the public. Even though there are good ones, they are seriously outgunned by the criminals and other lawless elements.

[cast_no_shadow]

Madali ba magpa lisensiya ng baril?

May criminal liability ba yung taong nakapatay ng magnanakaw sa loob ng bahay niya kaso wala lisensiya yun baril na ginamit niya?

[BratPAQ]

If I can have it my way, I will be carrying an AK47 24 hrs a day. That and a sword

I have a new found fascination for guns. For me guns are not just modern marvels but a thing of beauty. Their not just well engineered but well crafted. I am particularly fascinated with the AK47 maybe because it's the kind of gun that matches my rage, it's the kind of gun that tells people don't f1ck with me But seriously, the AK47 has numerous references in pop culture - it has a reputation for being so bad ass. It's those darn Vietnam war films, most in particular Stanley Kubrick's Full Metal Jacket. The Kalashnikov is so sinister that it is so cool

When I hear about incidents like this, I just wish I had an AK47, no conscience and a licence to kill :hammer: I am looking forward to seeing this beauty for real.

For our tsikot gun enthusiasts, does anyone have an idea how expensive this gun is? Is it as rare in the Philippines as I think it is?

kung sa bahay pede pa AK, pero sa kotse mas gusto ko small firearm for easy wielding, tulad nito


for me, di yata bagay ang may baril, mainitin ang ulo ko baka matulad ako kay rolito go. but for my wife siguro pwede at kailangan, she's a small women at minsan isolated ang dinadaanan nya.

[OTEP]

Necessary na ata. That's why we were made to complete a tactical medicine course by the company I work for.

[monty_GTV]

I believe so...necessity na talaga sa panahon ngayon

eto na-feature sa abs-cbnews kahapon...New gun control law to take effect in September | ABS-CBN News

New gun control law to take effect in September

By Cecille Suerte Felipe, The Philippine Star

Posted at 07/27/2013 12:44 AM | Updated as of 07/27/2013 12:44 AM


MANILA, Philippines - A new law on gun control requires gunsmiths to have licenses for them to repair registered firearms.

This is one of the salient points in the newly approved Republic Act 10591, also known as the Comprehensive Firearms and Ammunition Regulation Act, which will take effect in September, four months after President Aquino signed it on May 29.

Chief Superintendent Raul Petrasanta, chief of the Firearms and Explosives Office (FEO) said his unit has the authority to regulate gunsmiths.

“When we say gunsmiths, they are persons who repair guns, not manufacturers of firearms. Those (gun manufacturers) in Danao are not considered different (case), but they are not mentioned in RA 10591,” Petrasanta told The STAR.

He said the FEO and the stakeholders are now working on the implementing rules and regulations (IRR), which would define the specifics of RA 10591 and hope to meet the 120- day deadline.

The IRR will not legalize any illegal activities but just regulate firearms in the hands of ordinary civilians.

The manufacturing of paltik gun, for instance, is common in Danao and Cebu, but most gun makers do not have licenses for their trade. Paltiks are guns made out of scrap metal and bits of angle iron manufactured inside home premises.

Both locally manufactured and imported firearms must also be registered as mandated by the new law.

Petrasanta said gun stores are also required to have a license for the purchase and sale of guns, as well as general businesses handling firearms and ammunitions.

RA 10591 requires gun owners to renew their licenses every two years on or before the date of expiration. If they fail to renew their licenses, the Philippine National Police (PNP) will revoke them and this means confiscation of the firearm.

Under the law, the registration of the firearm shall be renewed every four years. Failure to renew registration on or before the date of expiration will cause the revocation of license. The gun will then be confiscated or forfeited in favor of the government.

Failure to renew a license or registration within the periods mandated by the new law on two occasions will also cause the holder of the firearm to be perpetually disqualified from applying for any firearm license.

The application for the renewal of the license or registration may be submitted to the FEO of the PNP, six months before the date of the expiration of such license or registration.

The new law will take effect 15 days from its publication in a newspaper of nationwide circulation.

RA 10591 also states that guns carried outside residence or place of business must be covered by a permit to carry (PTC) firearms.

The law states that a qualified person may apply for a PTC, if he or she is under actual threat or is in imminent danger due to the nature of his or her profession, occupation or business.

The new law also allows professionals, such as lawyers or members of the Philippine Bar, certified public accountants, accredited media practitioners, cashiers, bank tellers, priests, ministers, rabbis and imams, physicians, nurses, and engineers, considered in imminent danger due to the nature of their profession, occupation or business to carry firearm.

Businessmen who, by nature of their business or undertaking, are exposed to the high risk of being targets of criminal elements may also apply for PTC.

The PNP said the new gun law recognizes the right of qualified citizens to self-defense through the use of firearms, under certain circumstances.

The standard requirements for an applicant for a gun license are: Filipino citizen, at least 21 years old, and has gained full work occupation or business or has filed an income tax return for the preceding year as proof of income, profession, business or occupation.

“Applicant must also submit certifications issued by appropriate authorities attesting, among others, that he or she has not been convicted of any crime involving moral turpitude; passed the psychiatric test administered by a PNP-accredited psychologist or psychiatrist; passed the drug test conducted by an accredited and authorized drug testing laboratory or clinic; and passed a gun safety seminar administered by the PNP or a registered and authorized gun club,” the law states.

The other requirement is that the applicant should not have been convicted, or is currently an accused in a pending criminal case for a crime punishable with a penalty of more than two years.

Firearms for use in sports and competitions also require licensing.

The PNP chief, through the FEO, will issue licenses to qualified individuals and cause the registration of firearms. – Cecille Suerte Felipe

[frenchtower]

I like this topic :-)

[xwangbu]

me wants a glock26 or a tcm22 from armscor.

[safeorigin]

It is a natural right to defend yourself and what's important to you. To deny yourself defense only makes you a victim. I don't advocate violence. In fact, responsible gun advocates are among the most peace loving people.

"It doesn't mean that I advocate violence, but at the same time, I am not against using violence in self-defense. I don't call it violence when it's self-defense, I call it intelligence."

- Malcolm X

“As we have seen, the first public expression of disenchantment with nonviolence arose around the question of “self-defense.” In a sense this is a false issue, for the right to defend one’s home and one’s person when attacked has been guaranteed through the ages by common law.”

- Martin Luther King

"Jesus said, 'But now whoever has a purse or a bag, must take it and whoever does not have a sword must sell his cloak and buy one.'"

- Luke 22:36

"When a strong man, fully armed, guards his house, his possessions are safe."

- Luke 11:21

"Without doubt one is allowed to resist against the unjust aggressor to one's life, one's goods or one's physical integrity; sometimes, even 'til the aggressor’s death.... In fact, this act is aimed at preserving one’s life or one’s goods and to make the aggressor powerless. Thus, it is a good act, which is the right of the victim."

- Thomas Aquinas

"But if someone has a gun and is trying to kill you ... it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun."

- Dalai Lama

[safeorigin]

But of course, when you support banning guns you end with these people...

"This year will go down in history. For the first time, a civilized nation has full gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient, and the world will follow our lead to the future!

- Adolf Hitler, 1935

"To conquer a nation, you must first disarm its citizens."

- Adolf Hitler

"All political power comes from the barrel of a gun. The communist party must command all the guns, that way, no guns can ever be used to command the party."

- Mao Tse Tung

"The measures adopted to restore public order are: First of all, the elimination of the so-called subversive elements .... They were elements of disorder and subversion. On the morrow of each conflict I gave the categorical order to confiscate the largest possible number of weapons of every sort and kind. This confiscation, which continues with the utmost energy, has given satisfactory results."

- Benito Mussolini

[beni23]

Self defense. Art 11 of the Revised Penal Code

Art. 11. Justifying circumstances. — The following do not incur any criminal liability:

1. Anyone who acts in defense of his person or rights, provided that the following circumstances concur;

First. Unlawful aggression
Second. Reasonable necessity of the means employed to prevent or repel it.
Third. Lack of sufficient provocation on the part of the person defending himself.

2. Any one who acts in defense of the person or rights of his spouse, ascendants, descendants, or legitimate, natural or adopted brothers or sisters, or his relatives by affinity in the same degrees and those consanguinity within the fourth civil degree, provided that the first and second requisites prescribed in the next preceding circumstance are present, and the further requisite, in case the revocation was given by the person attacked, that the one making defense had no part therein.

3. Anyone who acts in defense of the person or rights of a stranger, provided that the first and second requisites mentioned in the first circumstance of this Art. are present and that the person defending be not induced by revenge, resentment, or other evil motive.

4. Any person who, in order to avoid an evil or injury, does not act which causes damage to another, provided that the following requisites are present;

First. That the evil sought to be avoided actually exists;
Second. That the injury feared be greater than that done to avoid it;
Third. That there be no other practical and less harmful means of preventing it.

5. Any person who acts in the fulfillment of a duty or in the lawful exercise of a right or office.

6. Any person who acts in obedience to an order issued by a superior for some lawful purpose.

#Retzing

[yebo]

Self defense. Art 11 of the Revised Penal Code





#Retzing

There is absolutely nothing in there that says the aggressor needs to be equally armed.

If my safety or that of my family is threathened i will not hesitate to use my firearms. Better him dead than me or my family dead. I can always pay his family a settlement if the law says later on that i am wrong. I am even willing to spend a few years in jail in defense of my family.

[jodski]

It's just one of my fantasies to own an AK47

Expensive masyado bala nyan ma'am aroud 55 pesos a piece on average... If you want to own one for the first time kumuha ka muna ng handgun dahil sa advantage nito pa portability and mabilis pa hugutin or conceal when inside the vehicle.

If brand new gun suggestion ng mga gun smith is to use brand new bullets for the first 1,000 to 2,000 rounds for break in. Madami sa atin na bala .45 caliber and 9mm that averages 12 pesos per round and up depende kung saan mo binili.

Dapat may scenario din na naihulog ng kontrabida yung baril. Naipulot ni misis at hinagis sa iyo at nakuha mo sa ere at na-bullseye si kontrabida habang pababa ka sa tambling mo... :D

Remember lang po na kapag iinvoke mo ang self defense ay dapat equal weapon. Mamaya hinahabol ka ng itak tapos bigla mong binaril. Hehe.


#Retzing

Mas magaling pa rin yung cowboy senator na kayang putulin ng itak ang bala tapos tatamaan yung dalawang kalaban sa tabi nya :rofl:

[yebo]

a dead criminal is one less criminal on the street.

that is one more thing. If i will shoot a perp i will do my best effort that he ends up dead. Anong aim for the leg or shoulder BS?! Double tap sa chest where the heart is! Or fill his motorcycle helmet with his brains! I do not buy expensive +P hollow points just to stop a bad guy, i buy those expensive ammo to stop them dead.

[_Cathy_]

that is one more thing. If i will shoot a perp i will do my best effort that he ends up dead. Anong aim for the leg or shoulder BS?! Double tap sa chest where the heart is! Or fill his motorcycle helmet with his brains! I do not buy expensive +P hollow points just to stop a bad guy, i buy those expensive ammo to stop them dead.

I am also afraid of the guilt of having to take a life. Kaya naisip ko sa leg or shoulder lang just to restrain the criminal. Hehe.

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[170kphlang]

I am also afraid of the guilt of having to take a life. Kaya naisip ko sa leg or shoulder lang just to restrain the criminal. Hehe.

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if that is the case ms.c4u, aim for the knee cap or the penis/testes, if the guy survives the blood loss ordeal it will be a painful reminder for him for the rest of his life. no masturbation/*** for a lifetime too.

[cast_no_shadow]

I am also afraid of the guilt of having to take a life. Kaya naisip ko sa leg or shoulder lang just to restrain the criminal. Hehe.

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Manong holdaper don't move na muna sige ka i might give you a fatal shot.

[roninblade]

I am also afraid of the guilt of having to take a life. Kaya naisip ko sa leg or shoulder lang just to restrain the criminal. Hehe

that only happens in the movies. heheheh. in real life situations you aim for the biggest part you can hit. aiming for the legs or arms will drastically reduce your chances of hitting your target. torsos are bigger targets plus it moves slower than arms/legs; that's why you always aim for the body.

now you may be saying that the shoulder is part of the torso. but if you specifically aim for the shoulder you raise your aim to the top part of the body, and when you do that there's a big chance that you will over-compensate and shoot over the target's shoulder instead. it's still best practice to aim for the middle of your target.

of course, you can reduce your chances of missing by practicing often.