Guns: A Necessity in Today's Society?

[Altis6453]

Thanks sa mga advise.. ok din shotgun no para medyo maangas iputok sa magnanakaw.. what about permits? Hindi ba mahirap kumuha ng permits pag mataas sa 9mm?

Naisip ko lang kung shot gun ang iputok sa magnanakaw eh di sabog un? Mahihirapan pa ako maglinis ng utak nya sa bahay.. hmmm... isip isip...

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AFAIK, these pistol calibers are considered "hi-power" by the PNP: .45, .40 .357 magnum, .44, 10mm. Dunno if they consider the hunting calibers like the .454 casull and .480 ruger as HP.

Shotguns aren't really designed for precision shooting, so if you have concerns about unintentionally hitting someone, better stick with a handgun.

[safeorigin]

handguns all the way. They are much faster to point compared to long guns(shotguns, rifles, etc.). I can't expound enough how extremely critical being able to present your firearm as fast as possible in a defensive situation.

PLUS, 99% of the time you'll be relying on a handgun unless SHTF(sh*t hits the fan).

[yebo]

Depende sa shotgun kung sabog o hindi. Pag short barrel lang (sawed off) sabog talaga pero pag mahaba naman hindi. Yung mga binebenta na shotgun sa manila usually 18.5 inches barrel o 22 inches barrel, hindi sabog yun. O bili ka ng mossberg na may choke para talagang tight ang pattern ng shots. isa pa nasa shots din. Pag copper jacketted shells mas tight yung pattern. O kaya kung concern ka sa collateral damage gumamit ka ng tactical shotgun ammo, mas mababa ang load kesa regular shells so less ang range, and with added benefit of less recoil and flash. O pwede din non lethal rounds - salt pill or bean bag. Pwede mo pa nga palitan ng plastic pellets ng airsoft yung shots e.

ang huwag mo lang gagawin e magbala ng steel ball bearing, lakas ng ricochet nun baka bumalik pa sa iyo o ibang tao.

[safeorigin]

disclaimer: I'm not a professional shooter nor an instructor. just saying my opinion on the matter.

well realistically speaking, if you're gonna shoot something that bleeds, it'll always be messy regardless of caliber size.

but thinking about what you said, worrying whether a head shot's gonna be messy or not IMHO is so wrong on many levels.

always (and intentionally) aiming for the head pretty much constitutes murder which is opposite of defensive shooting where the good guy(us) shoots to stop the aggressor from continuing his evil deed. note that I said continuing because most of the time, things can be settled without even firing a shot. Preemptively shooting is so wrong.

but then, that's just my 2 cents.

you can learn more from this gentleman

[frenchtower]

http://youtu.be/hrxkjRXk7m8

A lot of people, including myself, have a lot of respect towards a shotgun. It is extremely lethal in close quarter engagement scenario. Partly, it is effective at pushing back multiple threats in the case of a home invasion. However, a person using this firearm must train on how to use it properly.

If a burglar or burglar breaks into my home, my go to weapon is still going to be a pistol first. If I know that my household is safe and secure and the threat is armed, there nothing more important to me than loosing in a gunfight inside my home. I will make sure I will have an overwhelming advantage over the perp.

Having a shotgun as the only weapon for home defense, as I said, needs proper training. It is very loud in an enclosed area, heavy, limited ammo capacity, etc. If you get to pass these issues, you have a good defensive weapon.

[frenchtower]

Firearm choices for home defense situations
http://youtu.be/DYmRDB_rXWI
http://youtu.be/-xMUJC4GZFQ

[Noel Salisipan]

anyway here are some of my collection and some of my dad's collection as well.

Hindi ba allowed lang ng isang rifle at dalawang handgun kada isang gun owner?

[foresterx]

Hindi ba allowed lang ng isang rifle at dalawang handgun kada isang gun owner?

nope, right now no such law exist limiting the number of firearms one can own. but meron na pinapasa na new law limiting the number of firearms a civilian can own, i think 5 pistol and 3 rifles ata not sure. i think it passed na but hasn't taken effect yet. luckily for me since i already own those guns i'm still allowed to own them yon nga lang i can't add more rifles pero pistol pwede pa. pero since my wife ako at brothers pwede ko sa kanila ipa pangalan.:bwahaha:

[frenchtower]

I stumbled upon RA 10591. According to this law, a person can own and possess firearms (except light weapons) based on the type of license one acquires. A type 1 license allows an individual to own a maximum of two registered firearms. A type 5 license allows 15 or more registered firearms. Apparently, there is no mention about what kinds of firearms can one have. So it can be as many handgun or long gun combination one can own depending on license type. A lawyer will be best to interpret this law. Link below
http://www.gov.ph/2013/05/29/republic-act-no-10591/

[foresterx]

I stumbled upon RA 10591. According to this law, a person can own and possess firearms (except light weapons) based on the type of license one acquires. A type 1 license allows an individual to own a maximum of two registered firearms. A type 5 license allows 15 or more registered firearms. Apparently, there is no mention about what kinds of firearms can one have. So it can be as many handgun or long gun combination one can own depending on license type. A lawyer will be best to interpret this law. Link below
http://www.gov.ph/2013/05/29/republic-act-no-10591/

that's the law that i was talking about that hasn't taken effect yet.

[JC-Tsikot]

Joke lang naman sir ung babarilin ko sa ulo at ayaw kong umabot na kailangan ko pa gamitin ung baril.. pero sa mga walang idea sa mga baril pang instict na ulo agad ang tutok no? Bakit kaya? Parang kung may sasapakin ka ulo ang una mong iisipin.. naisip ko lang..

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[Noel Salisipan]

that's the law that i was talking about that hasn't taken effect yet.

Thanks sa info, now its clear.
(Dami nung FA mo foresterx, wala ka bang gun for hire?smiley)

[safeorigin]

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[frenchtower]

I can't believe NFL would ban this ad from Daniel Defense. D*mn libtards
http://youtu.be/KQLQxnOZmvc

I will understand if this gets banned
http://youtu.be/oDtPudkFz4Y

[safeorigin]

Yeah... politics, man

[safeorigin]

I wonder if these are allowed in Phil.

[frenchtower]

I wonder if these are allowed in Phil.

From RA 10591 section 9
"For Types 1 to 5 licenses, a vault or a container secured by lock and key or other security measures for the safekeeping of firearms shall be required."

The video shows a magnet as a key to open the locked compartment. IMHO that satisfies the above rule.

The real questions are:
1. Is this secure enough? A determined burglar can find a way to get those out of that false wall.
2. Will you show inspectors where you secretly hide your guns?

[safeorigin]

The real questions are:
1. Is this secure enough? A determined burglar can find a way to get those out of that false wall.
2. Will you show inspectors where you secretly hide your guns?

1. hmmm... so what are the chances that a burglar will discover a false wall with the gun inside during the middle of the night vs. opening the "secret storage" already and presenting the firearm?

I'll have to consult some friends for this I guess and run some drills.

2. good question. but then is it any different with showing them the gun vault? from a tactics point of view, this will be a disadvantage if the burglars are the inspectors themselves... :/

but then again, it would be no different vs. a gun vault since there's no fool proof way of concealing weapons

[frenchtower]

Thanks for the heads up

[safeorigin]

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