Do maids have to wear a uniform?

[IPSG_SlimShady]

while it is not my intention and purpose to have the 'extra attention' as you say it, what's wrong with it?

I guess it was already explained several times already here what is "wrong" with it. "Wrong" based on their perception.

didn't it occur to you that wearing uniform is a sign of professionalism? most of those in the medical profession wear those white suits over their ordinary clothes in their clinics and/or laboratories. they don't actually need it but they wear it, because its a sign of professionalism.

I think another reason why this thread continues to drag was already explained earlier. That is, some people view maids as just an ordinary paid employee of the family. Some people view maids almost like a family member. If i had a yaya myself who raised me all my life, I would be offended if she wears a maid uniform in public. There's a personal attachment to the yaya.

Some people view maids/yayas as people you just pay to serve you. You pay them, so you just expect them to do the friggin job. So uniforms are not a big deal in such case. Purely business relationship.

I hope that illustrates the difference. Hopefully.

[IPSG_SlimShady]

sir, ok sana yung argument nyo, pero hwag nyo naman gawing example ang mga jeepney drivers, medyo baloktot magisip ang karamihan sa mga yan.

I'm not actually focusing on the jeepney driver. Ang focus ko yung ARGUMENT na napapasama pa sa usapan yung pagiging mayaman mo when you carry something perceived as negative in public.

Even private vehicle drivers say the same thing when they see a reckless driver in a hot car. Hindi ba ganun ang nangyari dun sa pagiging ma-angas ni Vandolph at Bernard Palanca when they figured in an auto accident? Sinasabi ng mga tao: "Porke artista sila kala mo kung sino kung umasta!" I mean what does being an actor have anything to do with having a car skirmish? That's perception for you. I-connect ko lang dun sa issue about maids. When you have "uniformed" maids tailing you while shopping, people will wonder why you have to FLAUNT that you can afford to pay servants in public?

[5Speed]

hehehe.....amen.....

I vouch for some members that participate in this thread who has a very good argument on the entire 23 pages....who dont made any lousy strike on anybody...and keep their cool... I dont know if you are still young or old enough, which class of society you're in but you keep your point eloquently and consistent through out the discussion....

This thread shows the characters of some of the participants just by reading and analyzing their post in the entirety of the debate..... hehehehe

this is a good thread....a lively one....

thats why I love it here in tsikot....

hmmm makabalik nga dun sa bible thread....

[boybi]

Hindi ba ganun ang nangyari dun sa pagiging ma-angas ni Vandolph at Bernard Palanca when they figured in an auto accident? Sinasabi ng mga tao: "Porke artista sila kala mo kung sino kung umasta!" I mean what does being an actor have anything to do with having a car skirmish? That's perception for you. I-connect ko lang dun sa issue about maids. When you have "uniformed" maids tailing you while shopping, people will wonder why you have to FLAUNT that you can afford to pay servants in public?

just like you said, hindi tama ang ganyang perception diba? walang kinalaman sa accident ang pagiging artista nila. so mali din ang perception ng ibang mga tao towards families with uniformed maids.

nasabi ko na that i require my yaya to wear a uniform, at nasabi ko na rin na wala akong anumang masamang intention sa pagpapasuot ng uniform. dito lang sa thread na ito ko nalaman na meron palang masamang perception ang ibang mga tao sa mga yayang naka uniform. at sana dito rin sa thread na ito, maintindihan nyo na kung bakit ang ibang mga tao ay napapasuot ng uniform sa mga yaya. hindi dahil sa pagyayabang, hindi dahil sa discrimination, kundi dahil natutugma sa occasion, professionalism, practicality. na sana maalis na yang maling perception ninyo.

maaring mangyari ito dulot ng mga negative perceptions:

People just dont realize how much damage that neagtive perception towards the rich has caused.

"mayaman naman yan e... perahan natin"

So instead of investing in expansion, the capitalists now just keep their money in the bank. They just dont think its worth it to do business here anymore.

the harassment they get from govt people (lagay), the harrasment from communists (revolutionary tax, labor unions), the kidnappings and peace & order situation... all those things discourage the capitalists from expanding businesses and creating jobs.

Now, the richies simply ride out the economic crisis. they have enough money to ride it out for years... even decades... in style.

But the poor can hardly make ends meet.

Thats the consequence of the hate-the-rich mentality. The pumpmasters just turn off the pump that pumps capital. When the pump is dry, people eat dirt. Or instant noodles.

Give the capitalists a friendly environment to do business in, and they will open the pump again.

may nabalitaan akong isang malaking pinoy na negosyante na may malaking chain of business dito, sa US na naka-base ang buong pamilya dahil takot na silang mamuhay dito. so lahat ng kinikita ng business nya dito, dun na nya ginagastos. meaning: lumalabas ang pera.

kung ganyan palagi ang mga perceptions ng mga tao, baka maraming gumaya sa kanya. kawawa naman ang pilipinas.

[Flagg]

hehehe.....amen.....

I vouch for some members that participate in this thread who has a very good argument on the entire 23 pages....who dont made any lousy strike on anybody...and keep their cool... I dont know if you are still young or old enough, which class of society you're in but you keep your point eloquently and consistent through out the discussion....

This thread shows the characters of some of the participants just by reading and analyzing their post in the entirety of the debate..... hehehehe

this is a good thread....a lively one....

thats why I love it here in tsikot....

hmmm makabalik nga dun sa bible thread....

Oo nga, na-mi-miss ko na si sir city e.

[Flagg]

Wow! 3 pages in one day! Bilis!

So far, sa lahat ng anti-uniform posts, eto po summary ko:

Dapat ay wag nyo pa-suot ng uniform ang maid nyo sa mall kasi nandoon kami at ayaw nyong maisipan namin na inaapi nyo sila at napaka-KSP naman ninyong ipakita na ang yayaman nyo.

Pro-uniform summary:

Ang maging maid ay isang marangal na trabaho. Ang trabaho ay usually may kasamang uniform, para makita ang worker in their professional capacity. Isa pa ay hindi namin hinahanap attention nyo.

Anti-uniform sagot:

Itong uniform na pang-maid ay nakakahiya at nakaka-degrade sa kanila kasi idinidiin nyo na pangsilbi mo sila. Bibigyan din namin attention namin ke-ayaw nyo o hinde.

Pro-uniform:

Yung manager na naka-kurbata (init dito a) at yung janitor na naka-overalls idinidiin din ang pangsilbi ng janitor kay manager, a. Bakit di nalang sila ang bigyan nyo ng pansin?

Anti-uniform:

Iba ang trabaho sa kompanya kesa trabaho sa isang tao/pamilya.

Ehehehe. Oh I see. Ibaaa.

[EL Chicane]

just wondering...di ko na yata masyadong nakitang mag-post yung thread starter....hehehehehehe

Pasensya na kayo ngayon lang ako napadaan ulet. Pinagod ako ni Inday kagabi eh.

Anyway, what did i miss here?

[Flagg]

May double or nothing na sila luap and FXT na aabot ng 30 pages sir chicane.

[empy]

hmm...dapat hindi mabasa ni misis tong thread na to at baka maisipan pa niyang pagsuotin ng uniform yung kanyang personal alila (me!) :lol:

[Flagg]

Eeek!

[Luap]

uy! umabot na ng 20 pages....

sorry peeps ngayon lang ako nakapag post ulit -- busy kasi ako sa pagbibilang ng napanalunan ko OT ulit ako

[Luap]

sir luap, double or nothing, di aabot ng 30 pages to.


just an observation...there are only about 5 people who are vehemently arguing...the rest couldn't care less about the issue.

uhmmmm nahhhh, I won enough to buy my maid or "kasambahay" a uniform

[uls]

the anti-uniform crowd has misplaced idealism.

The same kind of misplaced idealism that lead to the downfall of companies.

There are company owners who have overblown "treat-employees-like-family" mentality. Profit-sharing, benefits and above industry compensation...

Guess where those companies are now... dead. Unprofitable and bled dry by the employees.

[av8or5]

ok. ang gusto ninyo ay huwag mag uniform ang mga yaya in public para hindi masabihan na yaya sya. napapansin nyo ba na karamihan ng mga yaya e kayumangi or mas medyo maitim? kung ang mga amo nya ay mapuputi, hindi ba halata pa rin na sya ang yaya sa pamilya? especially na sya ang may hawak ng baby bag? so dapat ba kapag maghire ng yaya e pipiliin ang mas maputi? hindi ba babalik na naman tayo sa discrimination nito?

hmmm..generalizing... sir, hope you don’t get offended with this question, but are you chinoy?

I’m trying to understand your side. i do understand that you would like to distinguish employee-employer relationship, i guess that's why having your househelp/yaya wear uniform in public allows you to exercise this and I respect that. I think most of the views here on anti-uniform of househelf/yaya go with wearing them outside the residence and not within.

I asked if you were chinoy because I have heard views on traditional chinoy to treat their workers differently than their own family/race. Again, it’s traditional chinoys and I’m not generalizing on Chinoys per se.

[mazdamazda]

the anti-uniform crowd has misplaced idealism.

The same kind of misplaced idealism that lead to the downfall of companies.

There are company owners who have overblown "treat-employees-like-family" mentality. Profit-sharing, benefits and above industry compensation...

Guess where those companies are now... dead. Unprofitable and bled dry by the employees.

you are generalizing already and is already straying WAY OFF TOPIC.

if people want to treat their maids like family, so what?

that is their own choice, much like those who want to have uniformed maids.

nothing wrong with either so long as you don't over do it. just accept the fact that people think differently.

Pro-uniform summary:

Ang maging maid ay isang marangal na trabaho. Ang trabaho ay usually may kasamang uniform, para makita ang worker in their professional capacity. Isa pa ay hindi namin hinahanap attention nyo.

Anti-uniform sagot:

Itong uniform na pang-maid ay nakakahiya at nakaka-degrade sa kanila kasi idinidiin nyo na pangsilbi mo sila. Bibigyan din namin attention namin ke-ayaw nyo o hinde.

Pro-uniform:

Yung manager na naka-kurbata (init dito a) at yung janitor na naka-overalls idinidiin din ang pangsilbi ng janitor kay manager, a. Bakit di nalang sila ang bigyan nyo ng pansin?

Anti-uniform:

Iba ang trabaho sa kompanya kesa trabaho sa isang tao/pamilya.

another generalized statement that'll just make this thread even longer needlessly.

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I'VE NOTICED THAT SOME PEOPLE HERE ARE JUST TRYING TO PROVOKE A HEATED DEBATE / ARGUMENT.

THINGS ARE NOT BEING DISCUSSED IN A HEALTHY MANNER AND I'LL LOCK THIS THREAD UP IF IT CONTINUES TO BE.

[uls]

Ok... no problemo... this is my last post for this topic.

[BoyFerrari]

hmmm..generalizing... sir, hope you don’t get offended with this question, but are you chinoy?

I’m trying to understand your side. i do understand that you would like to distinguish employee-employer relationship, i guess that's why having your househelp/yaya wear uniform in public allows you to exercise this and I respect that. I think most of the views here on anti-uniform of househelf/yaya go with wearing them outside the residence and not within.

I asked if you were chinoy because I have heard views on traditional chinoy to treat their workers differently than their own family/race. Again, it’s traditional chinoys and I’m not generalizing on Chinoys per se.

I also think cultural differences somehow have a certain influence. Take for example, Singapore or Hong Kong. Most maids are imported, and treatment of maids is really on a purely professional basis. So having them wear uniforms in public is a common practice.

But here in the Philippines, I don't think we a have a long history of paying up to have servants. In our history, those who have paid servants are usually the elite class. The middle class started to acquire maids/yayas in the 50's, and up until the 70's most of them are "paki-usap lang" - or generally "in kind" lang ang bayaran like sending the yaya/maid to school or simply housing her since she has nowhere else to go. This developed a culture of "personal attachment" to maids/yayas. It's only about the late 70's when maids/yayas for the middle class became a legitimate "paid job". And by that time, I guess the chinoys indeed introduced the practice that maids/yayas are treated as paid employees of families. That's also about the time maids/yayas are started to be sourced through employment agencies.

But I guess over the years, there are still many typical Pinoys who really cannot "detach" the personal association with maids/yayas (especially if the maid or yaya is a distant relative from the province, for example) that's why having them wear uniforms still remains a little disconcerting.

[CLAVEL3699]

parang hindi foul iyon ,
pero itong sinabi mo ang mukhang foul

alam mo bakit foul sya nakatira sa paligid nang squatter at parang squatter ang buhya nila.

Foul kasi sya alam mo kung bakit dahil social climber sila. Feeling nila rich sila kasi angat kunti buhay nila sa paligid nila pero sa tutuusin dukha sila.

Eto pa wala sila kotse nagtataxi lang sila pero nakauniform yung maid nila.

At kung tratuhin nila maid nila ganun ganun lang kaya foul sya. Kailangan gus2 din nang maid na gus2 nya magsuot nang uniform,.

Kami kaya nakauniform maid namin dahil require nang village association at kaya nakuniform yaya ko dahil certified midwife sya.

[afrasay]

Ayun naman pala requirement ng subdivision. Cool down peeps, baka atakihin si mazda2.

[CLAVEL3699]

ang sa akin lang is wag naman natin husgahan kaagad ang amo baka mayroon sila dahilan bakit nakauniform maid nila.

Hindi naman kasamaan kung nakauniform maid nila. Ang sa akin lang dapat nasa tama at reasinable bakit nakauniform maid nila.

ang hirap kasi sa atin dito sarado na isip nang iilan.