All New 2017 Mazda 3

**RedlineJunkie** · November 23rd, 2018 10:59 PM

Originally Posted by jojopad

Nice Donut Media Up To Speed episode about Mazdaspeed

I'm wondering how come there's no Mazdaspeed version for the M3 Skyactiv gen?

Or perhaps there will be a Mazdaspeed version for the upcoming 4th gen Mazda3? [emoji14]

There will be a Mazda 3 2.5L Turbo Skyactiv. Maybe that 'll be the new Mazdaspeed3.

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**Peyjas** · November 24th, 2018 12:12 AM

Originally Posted by RedlineJunkie

There will be a Mazda 3 2.5L Turbo Skyactiv. Maybe that 'll be the new Mazdaspeed3.

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For real?! [emoji7]

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**travajante** · November 24th, 2018 12:22 AM

Originally Posted by Peyjas

For real?! [emoji7]

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Mazda long said NO.[emoji53]

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**jut703** · November 24th, 2018 12:40 AM

Originally Posted by travajante

Lame excuse, right?[emoji848]
Not saying the torsion beam isn't any good & admittedly, it does have its pluses....among them, the other reduction....cost to produce & maintain.[emoji4]

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Sad that the best handling car in the segment will soon have a torsion beam.

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**travajante** · November 24th, 2018 12:55 AM

Originally Posted by jut703

Sad that the best handling car in the segment will soon have a torsion beam.

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Hehe...the 2 handles great w/ the beam. Though we can't expect the 3's dynamics to yield the same.
Drawback of multi-link suspension systems, they can go outtawhack once bushes & moving components wear. Camber, caster, toe tweaks can be a pain for the OCD. It's a great system. Yes. But for us who aren't as blessed as them who switch regularly, the beamed & rigid axled ones are a welcome blessing. 1 example of the latter...the legendary LC80. It's the suspension being missed by purists today.[emoji53]

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**jut703** · November 24th, 2018 12:59 AM

Originally Posted by travajante

Hehe...the 2 handles great w/ the beam. Though we can't expect the 3's dynamics to yield the same.
Drawback of multi-link suspension, they can go outtawhack once bushes & moving components wear. Camber, caster, toe tweaks can be a pain for the OCD. It's a great system. Yes, but for us who aren't as blessed as them who switch regularly, the beamed & rigid axled ones are a welcome blessing. 1 example of the latter...the legendary LC80. It's the suspension being missed by purists today.[emoji53]

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Funny. When the Mazda 3 had independent rear suspension while most of the competition did not (Altis, Elantra, etc), it was touted as a key advantage. Now that it has joined the competition with torsion beams, suddenly it's not so bad?

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**jut703** · November 24th, 2018 01:04 AM

The most logical reason to switch to a torsion beam is cost cutting. Just as many other manufacturers have done with their compacts.

When Honda switched from front wishbones in the EK to McPhersons in the ES, it marked a step back in the handling department.

And if NVH was the main reason for going from IRS to torsion beam, why do all midsize sedans (which have better NVH) still use IRS?

At the end of the day, it's cost cutting and we can only hope that the torsion beam will be tuned well. There's still a lot going for the next gen Mazda 3 after all, the sharp looks and SkyActivX being the headlines.

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**travajante** · November 24th, 2018 01:06 AM

Originally Posted by jut703

Funny. When the Mazda 3 had independent rear suspension while most of the competition did not (Altis, Elantra, etc), it was touted as a key advantage. Now that it has joined the competition with torsion beams, suddenly it's not so bad?

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It's a trade-off I'd gladly opt. Ours w/ multi-link I've to monitor alignment & tire wear often. Refreshing em requires a bit longer tinker time. The rigid axled & beamed ones have less parts to worry about.... less attention drawn....hands down, way more durable.
Let's see how the new 3 drives. I hope it'll surprise.[emoji4]

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**travajante** · November 24th, 2018 01:14 AM

Originally Posted by jut703

The most logical reason to switch to a torsion beam is cost cutting. Just as many other manufacturers have done with their compacts.

When Honda switched from front wishbones in the EK to McPhersons in the ES, it marked a step back in the handling department.

And if NVH was the main reason for going from IRS to torsion beam, why do all midsize sedans (which have better NVH) still use IRS?

At the end of the day, it's cost cutting and we can only hope that the torsion beam will be tuned well. There's still a lot going for the next gen Mazda 3 after all, the sharp looks and SkyActivX being the headlines.

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As you quoted in post #3194, we pointed out the same. Cost reduction to produce....& the silver lining...lower maintenance for us.

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**jut703** · November 24th, 2018 01:18 AM

Originally Posted by travajante

As you quoted in post #3194, we pointed out the same. Cost reduction to produce....& the silver lining...lower maintenance for us.

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Yeah by definition, a silver lining is a bright spot in an otherwise gloomy situation.

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