All New 2017 Mazda 3

**travajante** · November 24th, 2018 01:23 AM

Originally Posted by jut703

Yeah by definition, a silver lining is a bright spot in an otherwise gloomy situation.

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No argument there, sir. Perspectives differ. Some just drive, some just tinker & some love & can't separate both. Unfortunately, I fall in the last group, sir.[emoji17]

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**jut703** · November 24th, 2018 01:32 AM

Originally Posted by travajante

No argument there, sir. Perspectives differ. Some just drive, some just tinker & some love & can't separate both. Unfortunately, I fall in the last group, sir.[emoji17]

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From gen 1 to gen 3 the Mazda 3 has always been about driving dynamics. I love driving my Mazda 3 even if it has awful NVH (worse than our Vios lol).

Even the lame excuse of NVH seems like a bad omen. The market for the Mazda 3 has never cared much about NVH as they have for its driving dynamics. Why are they suddenly prioritizing that? In fact the press releases from Mazda all talk about NVH and nothing specific to handling.

The broad market that cares about NVH also cares about space, dealer network, and parts availability. Things that Toyota is very good at. Doesn't seem right for Mazda to go head on in that field when it fills a perfectly good niche as the best handling car in the segment.

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**travajante** · November 24th, 2018 01:52 AM

Originally Posted by jut703

From gen 1 to gen 3 the Mazda 3 has always been about driving dynamics. I love driving my Mazda 3 even if it has awful NVH (worse than our Vios lol).

Even the lame excuse of NVH seems like a bad omen. The market for the Mazda 3 has never cared much about NVH as they have for its driving dynamics. Why are they suddenly prioritizing that? In fact the press releases from Mazda all talk about NVH and nothing specific to handling.

The broad market that cares about NVH also cares about space, dealer network, and parts availability. Things that Toyota is very good at. Doesn't seem right for Mazda to go head on in that field when it fills a perfectly good niche as the best handling car in the segment.

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They've always been this rebellious lil badge. From rotaries to refusing downsized forced induction 4bangers, hybrids & what have you. They went all in w/ Skyactiv & X development w/o Ford's knowledge...giving combustion & the brand a new lease.
They might be shifting.... to everything Mazda isn't.....coz everyone has become more them. Always the lil rebel. Don't you see?[emoji41]

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**jut703** · November 24th, 2018 01:54 AM

Originally Posted by travajante

They've always been this rebellious lil badge. From rotaries to refusing downsized forced induction 4bangers, hybrids & what have you. They went all in w/ Skyactiv & X development w/o Ford's knowledge...giving combustion & the brand a new lease.
They might be shifting.... to everything Mazda isn't.....coz everyone has become more them. Always the lil rebel. Don't you see?[emoji41]

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By pursuing NVH like everyone else does?

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**travajante** · November 24th, 2018 02:17 AM

Originally Posted by jut703

By pursuing NVH like everyone else does?

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NVH could've been addressed by deadening, like everyone else does...but that's added dead weight. UnMazda. UnSkyactiv. With the beam, it gets to shave weight, cost & maintenance. Would people buy or not buy mainly because of the beam? I doubt it'll even come close a factor to the CVT or the DPF.
Like you, sir, I'm curious with the same questions. Hope the new 3 answers em well.[emoji4]

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**jojopad** · November 24th, 2018 06:49 AM

For those who are not familiar with these rear suspension types, e.g. multilink, torsion beam/bars, MacPherson, etc

What are the different types of rear suspension, and which is best? - Car Advice | CarsGuide

The current M3 gen 3 uses multilink:

Both multi-link and dual-wishbone setups offer true independence and unparalleled control, with the multi-link system edging ahead of the double-wishbone choice by offering greater adjustability.

Of course, nothing comes for free. Multi-link and double-wishbone independent setups are the most expensive and complex, as well as taking up more space than the simpler and slighter torsion beam.

Finding dual wishbone or multi-link suspension in your prospective new car usually means heading to the more premium end of the hatchback, wagon and sedan markets. It also means being pretty selective in the SUV and light commercial segments.

And for the upcoming M3 gen 4 that will use the torsion beam. It's all about cheap production and maintenance cost, and durability:

Torsion-beam setups are relatively cheap and easy to manufacture, install and maintain, but they don't offer the engineer anywhere near the same amount of freedom to balance comfort, agility and stability as independent systems do.
Because torsion bars offer less isolation than independent systems, they can also allow more noise, vibration and harshness to filter into the cabin.

Now, in a well-soundproofed car that isn't driven in anger, these issues might never become apparent, let alone cause any grief.

Even in snappy, small hot hatches like the Polo GTI and Fiesta ST, the torsion beam is still more than capable.

**RedlineJunkie** · November 24th, 2018 07:31 AM

“Also, our expert in chassis dynamics already has tested (the new platform) for high-speed, bumpy roads, and everything is better than the current Mazda3’s multi-link suspension.”Mr Fujiwara explained that newly developed rubber bushes in the trailing link of the new suspension had met the company’s requirements.

Mazda engineers re-developed the torsion beam axle to be employed in the next 3. Not the same beam found on any other car.

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**jojopad** · November 24th, 2018 09:21 AM

Mazda's always one step ahead of its competitors [emoji108]

**travajante** · November 24th, 2018 09:29 AM

Originally Posted by jojopad

Mazda's always one step ahead of its competitors [emoji108]

Proven re-thinkers. Let's see what they've done this time.[emoji4]

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**Nelson de Leon** · November 24th, 2018 10:05 PM

Originally Posted by RedlineJunkie

“Also, our expert in chassis dynamics already has tested (the new platform) for high-speed, bumpy roads, and everything is better than the current Mazda3’s multi-link suspension.”Mr Fujiwara explained that newly developed rubber bushes in the trailing link of the new suspension had met the company’s requirements.

Mazda engineers re-developed the torsion beam axle to be employed in the next 3. Not the same beam found on any other car.

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Bunta Fujiwara ?

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