2012 Kia Rio

[WeaponX]

Considering morning rush traffic in the Pasig, Fort and Makati areas though, it seems like a problem that has no solution.

So I'm guess my fc problem has more to do with traffic conditions rather than car issues.

Sana nga traffic condition lang. Mas madaling tanggapin.

[denpacs]

Just to clarify things.

I own a 2012 Kia Rio 1.4 MT Sedan and so far my FC has been great.

I got it last April and so far my FC was:
for City = 10-12K/L
for Highway = 16-18 K/L

I think the FC problem is only isolated to the Rio5 HB (or probably also to the AT of the Sedan).

I hope Kia would find the answer to all your FC problems.

Goodluck and just enjoy the Looks of the Rio for now (cause it really is a head turner)..

[valacirca]

*denpacs: Just to put things in perspective: Yung "city driving" na sinasabi mo... is this more of city driving with light traffic and minimal stops? or more like heavy bumper-to-bumper traffic with many stops?

pansin ko kasi possibleng napakalaki ng difference in driving conditions ng dalawang tao na nagsasabing "city driving" eh. minsan yung iba, city driving nga, pero sa sobrang luwag ng dinadaanan parang halos highway driving na :p hehehe.

[niky]

Considering morning rush traffic in the Pasig, Fort and Makati areas though, it seems like a problem that has no solution.

So I'm guess my fc problem has more to do with traffic conditions rather than car issues.

Basically. 16 km in one and a half hours means around twenty minutes of driving and seventy minutes standing still.

In heavy traffic like that, 6 km/l for a small automatic transmission car is normal.

I remember when Tessa Salazar (our dear friend from the Inquirer) did an eco-run with several micro-cars. In mixed traffic, they did very well. When they took them into gridlock traffic in Divisoria, they all got around 6 km/l. Even the Alto! (and it's very hard to get the 800cc Alto to do less than 15 km/l!)

This is not to say the Rio AT is not a gas guzzler. From what I've seen, the economy is more similar to a 1.6AT than a 1.3AT, sadly. But typically, cars with small engines and automatics are terrible in traffic. The drag from the transmission kills economy. The only exception, really, was the Honda Jazz/City CVT.

[denpacs]

*denpacs: Just to put things in perspective: Yung "city driving" na sinasabi mo... is this more of city driving with light traffic and minimal stops? or more like heavy bumper-to-bumper traffic with many stops?

pansin ko kasi possibleng napakalaki ng difference in driving conditions ng dalawang tao na nagsasabing "city driving" eh. minsan yung iba, city driving nga, pero sa sobrang luwag ng dinadaanan parang halos highway driving na :p hehehe.

*valacirca: Considering that I am residing in Cagayan de Oro, traffic here is not that much compared to Manila but we also got some bumper to bumper traffics here on rush hours (probably 5-10 mins. stop & go)
Probably I am wrong in saying that my "City" driving is great, but that's what I get and I'm enjoying it..
Goodluck!!

[pop3corn]

Just to clarify things.

I own a 2012 Kia Rio 1.4 MT Sedan and so far my FC has been great.

I got it last April and so far my FC was:
for City = 10-12K/L
for Highway = 16-18 K/L

I think the FC problem is only isolated to the Rio5 HB (or probably also to the AT of the Sedan).

I hope Kia would find the answer to all your FC problems.

Goodluck and just enjoy the Looks of the Rio for now (cause it really is a head turner)..

sabi ko sa inyo NASA gulong yan. Kung Aircon climate control, try nyo wag mag-Aircon if the FC improves unrealistic ally eh d Aircon nga

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[c_cube]

My best fc so far..

304.9 kms / 33.33 liters (auto)= 9.15
60 city with around 30-45 mins traffic
40 hway
Caltex gold
Odo 2060+
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Dinala ko kanina unit ko sa dealer tas nandun din ang technical guy from CAC

- sabi sa akin ng technical, wala daw rough estimate sa city driving na nakuha nun nag test w/DOE, sa hiway lang which was 16 km/l

- tinanong ko kung malakas ba ang 6km/l sa city na subcompact at 1.4 ang makina, ang sagot "depende sir eh, kasi maraming pwedeng variable" sabi ko malakas yun, hindi daw "maraming factors". Sabi ko nga eh, paano kung bibili palang ako ng rio tas tatanungan ko siya kung ilan fc pag city, sabi niya wala daw sagot. Pansin ko iniiwasan talaga niya magbigay ng value eh

- nagtest drive kami sa c5 for 30 kms, syempre maganda fc 12km/l ayon sa MID. Ave speed was 35km. Mixed driving daw yun ayon sa kanya. Sabi ko nga hindi ba hiway figures yan dahil sa c5 tas hindi tayo halos huminto. Sagot sa akin, ang hiway driving daw ay "driving for 80kph for 10mins daw, yun steady speed' - napa OK nalang ako..

- tas kung pwede daw gamitin yun vpower na 97 ron para daw masmaganda response at sunog ng gas. Sabi ko, wala naman problema sa akin ang 95 ron eh, tas nun chineck spark plug ko, malinis naman.

- ito naman napansin ko, yun aircon pag naka-on, normal talaga na tumataas yun fc pero konte lang eh. Kasi dun sa gadget na ako humawak habang nag tetest drive, pag naka on ang aircon, mga .8 lang yun tinataas ng figures sa injection time. Pag naka idle lang na patay aircon nasa 2.48 tas pag on ng aircon nagiging 3.28 pero hindi ko alam yun unit of measurement.

- ecu ko have the latest firmware. Yun nakuhang ecu update ni cyberian sa mga unang batch lang ng rio daw kelangan gawin yun. At walang speed sensing lock daw ang rio talaga, hindi daw na aactivate sabi nun technical.

So in short, parang ang dating sa akin as per the technical guy na normal lang para sa mga CAC yun FC natin sa city driving. Sa akin naman never bumaba ng 6km/l ang fc pero 7-8 kong nakukuha sa city driving, tingin ko talaga malakas compare sa ibang brand ng sasakyan sa same category. At sabi sa akin nun technical, may nakukuha na nga silang mga complaints na malakas sa gas pero mukhang wala silang magawa dito kaya parang pinararating nila na normal lang yun.

Feeling ko tuloy nagsayang lang ako ng oras sa nangyari hahaha! Ang maganda lang siguro as per DTC, walang errors na nakita sa unit ko hahaha!


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[renzo_d10]

Ganyan naman CASA eh. Kapag walang mahanap na solusyon, i-declare as normal.

[pop3corn]

So to summarize the FCs (all city ito, minsan bumper to bumper

Kia Soul 1.6 AT - 6km/liter - the SX4 daw in SX4 is averaging 9km/liter considering same 1.6 pero Japan Cbu kse SX4
Kia Sportage 2.0 AT (Kay * SG) - 5-6km/liter
Kia Picanto AT - 8.5km/liter
Kia Carnival 2.9 MT Crdi - 7km//liter (from Carnival thread) - this is Medyo disappointing cozMT pero 2.9 namn
Kia Sorento 2.4 CVVT AT - 4-5km/liter (from Sorento Pictures thread) our V6 Ford Explorer has the same FC.
Kia Sorento R 2.2 Crdi - 7-8km/liter (from Sorento Pictures thread) well this given coz EVGT Ito eh, my SF VGT is 9km/liter all city.
Kia Rio HB AT - 5-6km/liter
Kia Rio Sedan MT Sedan - 10-12 km/liter

So I guess the safest bet is if u want to buy a Kia, get the MT models, para naman umokey ang FC

gas guzzlers ang mga AT nila, probably nga Hindi light metals ang ginamit dyan sa mga new body Kia's.

Pag bare Kia Lang matipid, once those amenities kick in nakakataas ng FC.

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[valacirca]

Ah... considerable improvement on the trip home tonight:

Kia Rio 1.4 AT EX Sedan - 8.5km from The Fort to Pasig in 30mins (21:00 - 21:30) = 11.5L/100km = 8.7km/L

[timrev]

anu kaya pag binalik ng mga rio HB matic owner sa kia unit nila or benta nalang sa iba dahil sa FC problem hehehehe

[chua_allan]

*c_cube

Dapat hindi kayo sa C5 dumaan.. ako sa C5 din ako dumaan luwag luwag dun eh.. Dapat sa Makati City center kayo nagikot.

Ang sakit... normal ang 6-7km/l ang hatch natin? huhuhu di ko matangap..

[chua_allan]

anu kaya pag binalik ng mga rio HB matic owner sa kia unit nila or benta nalang sa iba dahil sa FC problem hehehehe

Laki na mga gastos ko sa kotse.. sure hindi kasama sa refund yun.. Special plate etc etc... Payag pa ako kung change unit.. to big brother Sportage? D na ako magdadalawang isip dun..

[niky]

nagtest drive kami sa c5 for 30 kms, syempre maganda fc 12km/l ayon sa MID. Ave speed was 35km. Mixed driving daw yun ayon sa kanya. Sabi ko nga hindi ba hiway figures yan dahil sa c5 tas hindi tayo halos huminto. Sagot sa akin, ang hiway driving daw ay "driving for 80kph for 10mins daw, yun steady speed' - napa OK nalang ako..

That's true, sorry. Highway is considered a steady speed of 80 km/h. If your average speed is 35 km/h, and your cruising speed was 60-70 km/h, that means there were a lot of start-stop cycles. That's what we consider "mixed" in the biz.

Or, to put it another way... yes, we can get 25+ km/l from micro-cars on the highway, but you'd better pray there's no traffic, otherwise 20 is the best you'll get.

- ito naman napansin ko, yun aircon pag naka-on, normal talaga na tumataas yun fc pero konte lang eh. Kasi dun sa gadget na ako humawak habang nag tetest drive, pag naka on ang aircon, mga .8 lang yun tinataas ng figures sa injection time. Pag naka idle lang na patay aircon nasa 2.48 tas pag on ng aircon nagiging 3.28 pero hindi ko alam yun unit of measurement.

AC really draws a lot more at idle. An AC compressor draws an average of 15-20 hp from the engine. In our latest dyno-test at Speedlab, the Eon lost 15 hp when we turned on the AC. So when you're moving, your car is making around 30-40 hp... so the draw of the AC only adds a little to the load. When you coast, the AC is being turned by the engine, which is in turn, being turned by the wheels. But when you're stopped, the engine makes only 5-10 hp at idle... with the AC on, extra gas has to be pumped in to make that 15 horsepower.

So in short, parang ang dating sa akin as per the technical guy na normal lang para sa mga CAC yun FC natin sa city driving. Sa akin naman never bumaba ng 6km/l ang fc pero 7-8 kong nakukuha sa city driving, tingin ko talaga malakas compare sa ibang brand ng sasakyan sa same category. At sabi sa akin nun technical, may nakukuha na nga silang mga complaints na malakas sa gas pero mukhang wala silang magawa dito kaya parang pinararating nila na normal lang yun.

Feeling ko tuloy nagsayang lang ako ng oras sa nangyari hahaha! Ang maganda lang siguro as per DTC, walang errors na nakita sa unit ko hahaha!


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Small city cars nowadays are very heavy. In my driving, in (heavy) traffic, this is my observation:

Ford Fiesta 1.6 6AT: 6.5 km/l.
Hyundai Accent 1.6 4AT: 6 km/l.
Honda Jazz 1.5 5AT: 6.5 km/l.
Honda Jazz 1.3 5AT: 7.5 km/l.
Kia Picanto 4AT: 8.5 km/l.
Mazda2 1.5 4AT: 7.5 km/l.
Toyota Vios 1.5 4AT: 7 km/l.

Di exact yun, ball-park... meron kasing days na mas grabe, meron days na mas malakas. Pero i-kumpara mo sa mga kotse na iba na dinala ko sa route na yun:

CR-V 2.4 5AT: 4.5 km/l
Corolla 2.0: 5 km/l
Ford Focus TDCI DCT: 7.5 km/l.

Suzuki Alto 1.0 (but MT): 13 km/l
Hyundai Eon 800cc (but MT, again): 13.5 km/l
Chery QQ 1.0 (MT): 9-10 km/l lang.

Traffic is traffic. Them's the breaks. Kung 35 km/h average at 12 km/l ka pa, that's actually decent. Kung gusto mo ng better economy, sell the car and buy a manual. 4AT, small engine, heavy car? Never going to be as good as a lighter car with better gears. Nahahabaan ako sa gearing ng Rio 4AT... bitin talaga. The manual transmission is much, much, much better.

Kaya the first suggestion I make to people buying new small cars... never get the automatic. Some atuos, like the one in the Fiesta, are almost as economical as manuals, but most suck. Period. Consider how heavy the transmission is compared to the manual, how hard it is to turn the torque converter, which is immersed in fluid, and how little power the engine makes. It's hard to expect good economy out of that combination.

[valacirca]

Nahahabaan ako sa gearing ng Rio 4AT... bitin talaga.

Kaya the first suggestion I make to people buying new small cars... never get the automatic.

Sir, what do you mean by "nahahabaan sa gearing"? I might not understand this because I just started driving a month ago

I bought the 1.4 Rio4 AT because I just want something easy and convenient to drive. So far the 5-6kmL in heavy traffic and 8-9kmL in moderate traffic seems okay.

Haven't really tried it yet in light city traffic and highway driving.

BTW: Unrelated question... do you guys know how big the "bubble" of the keyless system is on the Rio?

[rio5]

Small

Ford Fiesta 1.6 6AT: 6.5 km/l.
Hyundai Accent 1.6 4AT: 6 km/l.
Honda Jazz 1.5 5AT: 6.5 km/l.
Honda Jazz 1.3 5AT: 7.5 km/l.
Kia Picanto 4AT: 8.5 km/l.
Mazda2 1.5 4AT: 7.5 km/l.
Toyota Vios 1.5 4AT: 7 k

CR-V 2.4 5AT: 4.5 km/l
Corolla 2.0: 5 km/l
Ford Focus TDCI DCT: 7.5 km/l.

Suzuki Alto 1.0 (but MT): 13 km/l
Hyundai Eon 800cc (but MT, again): 13.5 km/l
Chery QQ 1.0 (MT): 9-10 km/l lang. :

hi niky i was wondering if you own all this car or simply a motoring guy who get the chance to test drive all this different cars and post a review,sayang lang kasi kung nauna review mo sa kia rio5 baka nag dalawang isip ako na bilhin ito hehehehe

[rio5]

[QUOTE=c_cube;2000605]My best fc so far..

304.9 kms / 33.33 liters (auto)= 9.15
60 city with around 30-45 mins traffic
40 hway
Caltex gold

hi c_cube natuloy ka pala sa pag test ng auto mo,ask ko lang did you mention to them na hindi accurate yan nasa display cluster natin na AVERAGE FUEL ECOMY,malaki difference nila,kasi sakin lumalabas don mga 8.5km/L pero pag compute manually nasa 7km/L lang.and so dahil dyan sa test na ginawa sayo we have to accept na ganito na talaga fc ng rio5,well i guess sa mga future buyers ng rio5 dyan,kung kaya nyo gas guzzler na sub compact na auto na ma porma this is it hehehehe

[eido]

niky may kinalaman ba talaga tire size sa fuel economy?

[valacirca]

[quote=rio5;2001072]

My best fc so far..

304.9 kms / 33.33 liters (auto)= 9.15
60 city with around 30-45 mins traffic
40 hway
Caltex gold

hi c_cube natuloy ka pala sa pag test ng auto mo,ask ko lang did you mention to them na hindi accurate yan nasa display cluster natin na AVERAGE FUEL ECOMY,malaki difference nila,kasi sakin lumalabas don mga 8.5km/L pero pag compute manually nasa 7km/L lang.and so dahil dyan sa test na ginawa sayo we have to accept na ganito na talaga fc ng rio5,well i guess sa mga future buyers ng rio5 dyan,kung kaya nyo gas guzzler na sub compact na auto na ma porma this is it hehehehe

what do you mean manual computation, sir?

how do you compute your fuel consumption manuall without relying on the built-in display/computation of the Rio?

[chua_allan]

what do you mean manual computation, sir?

how do you compute your fuel consumption manuall without relying on the built-in display/computation of the Rio?

1. Pa-full tank ka
2. Reset Trip meter
3. Sa next na full tank mo.. take note kung ilang liters nakarga mo..
4. Read the trip meter kung ilan tinakbo ng kotse

Trip meter/Liters = FC mo