2012 Kia Rio

[weisshorn]

Mas ok siguro ay find the email addres/contact ng KIA CRM. Dyan nyo ipadala ang mga complaint. Yan ang ginagawa ng Hyundai club. Direct sa itaas. Dyan sa SA level walang mangyari. Iinit lang ang ulo at ma HB kayo dyan sa dealership except kung kilala nyo ang manager. As I posted above, yang hatch back ang one full fuel tank kasya from Belfast to London for a distance of 797 miles, done in their British Challenge. Dapat matipid yang kotse nyo but problem is ang Ethanol blend ng gasolina dito, di na tumama ang tuning ng ECU. Just a repeat of the first/earlier batch of Hyundai accent case. The 1.6L engine reported no issue but the 1.4L has.

[c_cube]

cyberian sino ba contact nila dito sa manila na nagsabi na may bago na software for the hatchback? please alamin mo ng ma contact din namin although hindi ganyan kalakas ang fc namin tulad sayo dapat kapag naka idle hindi ganon kalakas tulad ng nasabi mo sa cvvt engine natin . mga sirs na mga naka rio5 pansinin nyo yun sa trip meter nyo,don sa "INST fuel economy" this is my only opinion diba dapat kapag naka idle lang auto natin nasa bandang 11 lang at hindi 19,kung titignan ninyo sa manual natin don sa part na yun may picture nasa 11 lang ang linya hindi naman nila kunan ng picture yun ng umaandar kaya sa tingin ko idle speed nya yun ,yan ay aking opinion lang,para pag tapak mo uli sa gas pedal saka sya aakyat sa banda 19-20,kasi kung nasa 19 na sya sagad na sya sobra sobra pag tapak mo sa gas pedal. although tama ang nasa tacho meter na below 1000 bakit nasa 19 yun instant fuel economy kapag naka idle

Napansin ko din yan kung bakit at idle nasa 19l yun gauge niya pero isip ko baka ganun lang talaga. But you have a tuldok here hahaha!

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[chua_allan]

hi sir allan please update us kung ano maging resulta ng diagnosis auto mo,all of us have the same conlusion na sobra kumain ng gas kapag naka idle, dapat explain nila ito,maybe hindi naka program sa bansa natin ecu nito baka europe lalo na yun may feature na stop and go on idle.

Sorry ah medyo mahaba haba...

TAKE NOTE... This is KIA "QUIRINO"!!! Maglalabas na ako ng sama ng loob! Bwisit! Stupid SA! Stupid Mechanic! No wonder nilalangaw yung service bay..

Question to SA: Meron na ba nagpaservice ng Hatch sa inyo? "Yes po.. meron po"
What happen: Gave my "keyless key" to the mechanic, mechanic sits on the driver side... hand "holding the keyless" moves towards behind the steering wheel sabay silip para hanapin yung SAKSAKAN ng SUSI!
STRIKE 1!

Next scene: Mechanic prepares the GDS... Hawak ang device papasok ng kotse ulit para iconnect yung cable... Opens the "fuse box" panel.. OOPPS mali.. hanap hanap... ay nasa ilalim pala ng steering wheel!!
STRIKE 2!

Next scene: Mechanic prepares the trolly with laptop... Already plugs something to the power extension cord, di ko napansin kung ano... opens the laptop.. power on.. ay bakit ayaw magon... Ay WALA pala yung power adapter ng laptop! (Teka kunin ko lang ah...)
STRIKE 3!

Next scene: Ok na.. nagon na yung laptop.. ran the GDS.. click click click... hmm.. click click click... hmm click click click.. (sa loob loob ko.. ALAM MO BA GINAGAWA MO?!?! Certified GDS Tech ka ba?!?!)
*Correct me if I'm wrong.. Nakita ko sa isa sa mga selection niya something "Leaded All".. Teka.. "Unleaded" ang kotse ko ah! Ayaw ko paginitan tong scenario na to kasi hindi ko kabisado ang software.. pero may alam ako sa computers.. ok next..

Next scene: Click click click... Mechanic ask Mechanic2 "Pre patapak ng gas".. Click click click.. Gas Gas Gas (Graphs up down up down.. saw something about degrees.. 4 values.. 3 of them has same values.. 1 naiiba.. sige tahimik lang ako.. ayaw ko magmarunong..) Next module test.. click click click gas gas gas.. di ko na maalala yung values pero pagkaalala ko ganyan din meron isang naiiba sa 4.. sige click click click...check other module.. ok tapos na..
Mechanic: Sir walang makitang problem.. walang DTS(something error report) lumabas sa system...
Me: No comment na lang.. Di ko na maalala mga pinagsasabi ko kasi naiinis na ako..
So tapos na ang GDS..

Next scene: Talking to the SA with regards sa FC kung bakit ganyan lakas.. He keeps pointing out the air filter!! may mga 5 times ata yun eh.. Kapag madumi daw kasi yung Air filter affected yung FC.. sabi ko eh kasi bagong labas sa CASA ganyan na FC ko! Leche.. hampas ko sa mukha niya yung air filter eh!

Next topic: Engine knocking..
Puro palusot din yung SA.. leche.. dapat pala nirecord ko yung conversation namin eh! Napunta sa high octane bla bla.. Binola pa ako kesyo magandang engine kaya kailangan high octane...

At the end: Pinacancel ko na yung change oil service.. mamaya kung ano pa mangyari sa kotse ko..

Next scene: Payment
Hinirit ko sa SA. Worth it ba yang binayaran kong P750 para dun sa ginawa niyong GDS testing... Di ko maalala yung sinagot niya sa inis ko.. (Para sa akin nagsayang lang ako ng pera!)

Next scene: Paalis na kami ng utol ko...
Going to my car.. Plastic cover na nilagay sa seat ko hindi man lang tinangal.. ano yan remembrance?!
Pag upo ko... Nakalagay pa yung steering wheel cover!!! ("Wag ko na kaya ibalik to?!" Pero sabi ng utol ko, balik mo na lang yan...) AKO pa ang nagbalik sa SA nung steering wheel cover!

Drove off...

PS: Mukhang haunted house yung service bay! Dilim dilim!

Final thought... "Mas mabuti pang aminin na 1st time meron nagpaservice ng Hatch which is me kesa ideny at magmukhang tanga"

[cyberian]

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[cyberian]

I can't believe despite all that you can still say, at the end of the day, you're satisfied with a car that's supposed to deliver good FC figures and acceptable performance.

I believe there is really something wrong with the 1.4L Gamma engines that Hyundai and Kia brought in. Be hopeful guys, Hyundai found a fix. Won't be long for Kia to do the same ( i hope )

After all, the engines you have are similar to the Accent's. Which as of the moment, according to the owners' claims, consume an average of 8-10km/L on the city. Give and take that the Rio is much heavier ( i suppose bec. of the 17s vs. 14s of Accent ) the consumption shouldn't be any lesser than 6km/L. At that, it's already abnormal. What if the consumption drops to a whooping 5km/L, then it really gets alarming.

Hope Kia would find a fix. Ganda pa naman Rio HB aesthetically.

Yep, despite of the poor fc and some minor issue with hill start loss of engine grunt I can still say it's a good buy compared to other available competing models at this price range. Those problems I mentioned are fixable and I will just have to trust the local Kia to have it done the soonest. They are trying hard to fix it naman and I get calls from them from time to time informing me of development on their end. I would say I got great service from them and so far, they are honest and direct in speaking about my fc problem.

My last full tank, which is the 6th: 182.6km/34.6L Petron XCS = 5.27km/L! It's obvious now that the so-called air-con system ECU patch didn't work. I'm glad that my local Kia SA called me up not a minute too soon to inform me that they just received another new ECU program patch.

The SA didn't exactly described what the problem was because it's technical and prefers the technician to explain it to me directly but he did mentioned that they detected the ECU during operation to revert back to "safe mode" due to fuel issues. He said Kia Manila recommended the Shell V-Power Nitro+ Racing but unfortunately, the said fuel is not locally available in my City.

I will report asap the ECU re-programming and improvement/s observation if ever meron.

[cyberian]

I'm quite confident that those rio with FC problem needs ECU remapping. The ethanol blended fuel here is making the ECU program go haywire. KIA will not accept that of course unless KIA korea say it so.
search & watch the RIO British Challenge in Youtube. RIO Hatch was driven from Belfast to London in one full fuel tank, that was 797 miles distance.

I think you got that right about the ECU haywire due to fuel incompatibility issues because my SA just told me that they detected a problem with the ECU readings, it goes on "safe mode" daw while running. A new program has been sent from Manila to correct this problem.

Anyway, I will inform everyone here once the new ECU program patch is applied to my car and see if it work this time.

[cyberian]

Sorry ah medyo mahaba haba...

TAKE NOTE... This is KIA "QUIRINO"!!! Maglalabas na ako ng sama ng loob! Bwisit! Stupid SA! Stupid Mechanic! No wonder nilalangaw yung service bay..
...
Final thought... "Mas mabuti pang aminin na 1st time meron nagpaservice ng Hatch which is me kesa ideny at magmukhang tanga"

Sorry to hear about your bad experience with Kia Quirino service. I suggest you wait for my local Kia updating my ECU and granted the result is positive, so you will know what to ask from them or from another alternative Kia service outlet to improve the fc.

I requested my Kia SA to furnish me a copy of a detailed report should the new ECU reprogramming work precisely so I can tell everyone here on what to do to correct the bad fc.

A little patience nalang mga sir, wala kasi service tech nasa Subic for training. Next week pa to.

[weisshorn]

Sorry to hear about your bad experience with Kia Quirino service. I suggest you wait for my local Kia updating my ECU and granted the result is positive, so you will know what to ask from them or from another alternative Kia service outlet to improve the fc.

I requested my Kia SA to furnish me a copy of a detailed report should the new ECU reprogramming work precisely so I can tell everyone here on what to do to correct the bad fc.

A little patience nalang mga sir, wala kasi service tech nasa Subic for training. Next week pa to.

Baka ang training na sinasabi is about the FC problem na yan. Syempre getting cue from earlier batch of Hyundai Accent

[c_cube]

*cyberian

thanks for the info and please keep us posted. pero medyo iba case mo sa amin dito dahil sayo sobrang lakas ng konsumo talaga.

nakakapagtaka lang bakit hindi alam ng lahat ng dealer or service center. kasi sigurado naman sa KIA o CAC manggagaling ang update o patch sa ECU eh. hindi naman siguro gawa gawa ng KIA Manila (sino ba si kia manila??) at ng dealer na nakuhaan mo dyan.

[yapoy86]

meron na ba sa inyo na past 5K kms na ang naitakbo?? kasi yung adventure diesel ko nung bago pa.. mga 5km/l lang din ang FC... after 5k kms.. nag 10 km/l na.. tapos ngayon 7.5k kms na nag 12 km/l na..

[PsychoMp3]

I'm quite confident that those rio with FC problem needs ECU remapping. The ethanol blended fuel here is making the ECU program go haywire. KIA will not accept that of course unless KIA korea say it so.
search & watch the RIO British Challenge in Youtube. RIO Hatch was driven from Belfast to London in one full fuel tank, that was 797 miles distance.

The Kia Rio tested is a 1.4 Diesel.

[chua_allan]

About sa ground clearance ng Hatch.. Naakyat ko siya sa sidewalk na ganyan kataas.. Pero syempre with proper maneuvering hindi head on akyat..

[rio5]

Mas magaan yung hatch kaysa sa sedan (1068 kg vs 1170 kg), so says Kia's brochure. It's believable kasi in general naman, hatch bodies are lighter than sedan bodies (Focus, Impreza, Fiesta, etc).

Yung rolling resistance lang siguro ng wider tires yung mas concern, but even then, the 1.4L 108HP Gamma engine shouldn't take too much of a hit since it's a relatively powerful powerplant.

Umaasa ako na makaka 9 km/L sa moderate city driving yung 5-door Rio. Kahit 1.6L Altis kaya yan eh

yup i do believe na aabot sa 8-9km/L ang rio5 namin kasi on my own observation nasa 1600km na odometer ko ang fc nya sa trip meter is nag reregister ng 12.8 13km/100L that is from light to moderate traffic,ang problema ng rio5 is on the idle,nasubukan ko ito ihataw sa slex nag register ng 6km/100L agressive driving pa nga yun kung nag conservative ako nun baka umabot ng 5km/100L that is approximately 20km/liters,matipid sya kung hindi ka naka idle.so i think na may problema sa ECU program nito

[cyberian]

*cyberian

thanks for the info and please keep us posted. pero medyo iba case mo sa amin dito dahil sayo sobrang lakas ng konsumo talaga.

nakakapagtaka lang bakit hindi alam ng lahat ng dealer or service center. kasi sigurado naman sa KIA o CAC manggagaling ang update o patch sa ECU eh. hindi naman siguro gawa gawa ng KIA Manila (sino ba si kia manila??) at ng dealer na nakuhaan mo dyan.

Maybe not all service center knows about the problem well. FC can easily be shrugged off by dealers/service tech as "isolated incident" and blame the driving habit and road conditions. In fact, when I confronted the chief mechanic he is a bit arrogant and blamed the traffic for the bad fc. Fortunately for me, I have other vehicles to compare with the fc and also point blanked I challenge him to ask any taxi drivers (Altis 1.6) their fc and explain it to me why they're getting average of 10km/L! That was the 1st and last conversation I had with him, Kia Service person in-charge na ang kausap ko and as well as my SA. Both called me sa cellphone on several occasions to inform me of the progress (during the time car was with them), updates and development of finding a fix (after I got the car back).

I recorded all my 4 full tanks complete with pics of Trip Computer Data and gas pump fuel data sa gas stations. Together with their own actual fc tests on the unit using their very own "contraption", all these data were forwarded to "Kia Manila" for evaluation and recommendation/solution. Who they're talking to in Manila I did not ask, sorry but I will soon during my ECU updating sa kanilang shop this coming week. I suspect it's CAC.

You are right my fc is really really bad compared to everyone's. And if the last 4 full tanks are horrible, the 5th and 6th is even worst:
- 5th Full tank (manual computation): 176kms/33.95L Petron XCS = 5.18km/L!
- 6th Full tank (manual computation): 182.9kms/34.6L Petron XCS = 5.27km/L!

Even the new Ford Explorer V6 has better fc than my last 2 full tanks. According to lamborghinione post on 2012/1013 Ford Explorer actual fuel consumption at Tsikot forum, which is cited from ************:

Ecoboost:
City(Heavy Traffic): 5.95 km/L
City(Light/Sunday Morning Traffic): ??km/l
Highway(NLEX/SLEX/SCTEX ): 10.2km/L

Limited V6:
City(Heavy Traffic): 5.68 km/L
City(Light/Sunday Morning Traffic): ??km/l
Highway(NLEX/SLEX/SCTEX ): 8.07km/L

[rio5]

[QUOTE=weisshorn;1969606]I'm quite confident that those rio with FC problem needs ECU remapping. The ethanol blended fuel here is making the ECU program go haywire. KIA will not accept that of course unless KIA korea say it so.
hi weisshorn you are definitely right ive been trying to point this out sa columbian motors and they still deny it kasi ako pa lang daw may problema sa fc,sabi go visit the tsikot website,wala daw sya panahon dami daw sya trabaho.

[rio5]

Sorry ah m


At the end: Pinacancel ko na yung change oil service.. mamaya kung ano pa mangyari sa kotse ko..

Next scene: Payment
Hinirit ko sa SA. Worth it ba yang binayaran kong P750 para dun sa ginawa niyong GDS testing... Di ko maalala yung sinagot niya sa inis ko.. (Para sa akin nagsayang lang ako ng pera!)

Next scene: Paalis na kami ng utol ko...
Going to my car.. Plastic cover na nilagay sa seat ko hindi man lang tinangal.. ano yan remembrance?!
Pag upo ko... Nakalagay pa yung steering wheel cover!!! ("Wag ko na kaya ibalik to?!" Pero sabi ng utol ko, balik mo na lang yan...) AKO pa ang nagbalik sa SA nung steering wheel cover!

Drove off...

PS: Mukhang haunted house yung service bay! Dilim dilim!

Final thought... "Mas mabuti pang aminin na 1st time meron nagpaservice ng Hatch which is me kesa ideny at magmukhang tanga"

good thing cancel mo change oil baka baguio oil pa nailagay dyan wag ka na bumalik sa station na yan mukang fly by night lang yan.

[wahzai_swy]

yup i do believe na aabot sa 8-9km/L ang rio5 namin kasi on my own observation nasa 1600km na odometer ko ang fc nya sa trip meter is nag reregister ng 12.8 13km/100L that is from light to moderate traffic,ang problema ng rio5 is on the idle,nasubukan ko ito ihataw sa slex nag register ng 6km/100L agressive driving pa nga yun kung nag conservative ako nun baka umabot ng 5km/100L that is approximately 20km/liters,matipid sya kung hindi ka naka idle.so i think na may problema sa ECU program nito

Sir rio5, nakakatakot FC yan

[ratchet23]

Next scene: Payment
Hinirit ko sa SA. Worth it ba yang binayaran kong P750 para dun sa ginawa niyong GDS testing... Di ko maalala yung sinagot niya sa inis ko.. (Para sa akin nagsayang lang ako ng pera!)

Teka, bakit kailangan bayaran ang GDS testing? may concern ka naman about sa vehicle nyo na new lang and under warranty. sila dapat mag insist na icheck thru the GDS. dun sa 2010 KIA Sorento namin. three times ng chineck kung may trouble sa GDS, wala akong binayaran kahit piso. sila pa mag-susugest na icheck nila sa GDS. one time pinadiagnose ko sa kanila yung sorento, alam na nila yung problem after their inspection, nasa field yung GDS nila, wala sa CASA. tinanong parin ako kung kailan ako pwede makakabalik sa kanila to have a full diagnosis thru GDS. para kung may isuggest pang trouble code yung GDS, i diagnose narin. then the next day, binalik ko and for GDS diagnosis. after some process, lumabas yung trouble code and it was the same part that they initially suspected on manual diagnosis. replaced the part under warranty, everything was back to normal. again, wala akong binayaran.

[ratchet23]

You are right my fc is really really bad compared to everyone's. And if the last 4 full tanks are horrible, the 5th and 6th is even worst:
- 5th Full tank (manual computation): 176kms/33.95L Petron XCS = 5.18km/L!
- 6th Full tank (manual computation): 182.9kms/34.6L Petron XCS = 5.27km/L!

5 Km/L?? . dinaig pa yung X-Trail. 5 Km/L din under the worst traffic. maluha-luha nako diyan pag nagpapagas. considering the X-Trail 2.0 was really tagged as a gas-guzzler. sana mag-improve pa FC nyo sir.

[zonda]

^ilan na ba mileage nyo? di kaya kailangan i-break-in ng todo like byahe ng more than 15km a day until ma reach 2k-2.5k mileage? just a thought lang po.