2012 Kia Rio

[eido]

sir alam ko may fb page yung mga rio owners. try nyo sumali dun para may matanungan kayo ng fc. dun ata sila active hindi dito sa tsikot

[Mark Ilagan]

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[Mark Ilagan]

just noticed that about around after my 2012 rio a/t hit 2km, there was a marked change in the way it responded to driving situations:
eg: city driving before, the instant on board fc would move from 4 km/l during acceleration and go down to only about 7 to 9 km/l until stop... but now I noticed this going down to even around 35km/l (free wheeling) and normalizing to about 14km/l during constant speed (if this holds true, it would approximate t my previous 1.3 vios manual's fc)...

average onboard fc yesterday was a pleasant 12km/l Lucena to Makati back and forth... of mixed Hi way and stop and go Provincial roads dotted with slow moving trucks and tricycles ... rio loaded with 5 persons and a harvest of fresh buko in the trunk : )...

[cyberian]

sir alam ko may fb page yung mga rio owners. try nyo sumali dun para may matanungan kayo ng fc. dun ata sila active hindi dito sa tsikot

Ano fb account sir?

[pop3corn]

just noticed that about around after my 2012 rio a/t hit 2km, there was a marked change in the way it responded to driving situations:
eg: city driving before, the instant on board fc would move from 4 km/l during acceleration and go down to only about 7 to 9 km/l until stop... but now I noticed this going down to even around 35km/l (free wheeling) and normalizing to about 14km/l during constant speed (if this holds true, it would approximate t my previous 1.3 vios manual's fc)...

average onboard fc yesterday was a pleasant 12km/l Lucena to Makati back and forth... of mixed Hi way and stop and go Provincial roads dotted with slow moving trucks and tricycles ... rio loaded with 5 persons and a harvest of fresh buko in the trunk : )...

masisira ulo nyo kaka-monitor nyan pati odomoter eh tinitignan nyo.

simple lang to calculate your personalized consumption. 2-3 full tanks. for every full tank, reset trip meter.
compute FC by dividing total liters filled in full tank by total kilometers consumed on empty. compare data on 2-3 refills. in algebra FC is km/liter = total KM (on yellow light) / total liters filled on full tank.

in my case my kilometer consumed per full tank is 550 - 560 liters, and my average full tank on yellow light is between 67 to 69 liters of diesel. so yun sta fe ko 8.xx km/liter. yan ang daily ko pero noon tumakbo ako ng manaoag, that's 250km per way so almost 500km, and I consumed only less than half full tank, so I know my SF can be thrifty at double, so 16km+/liter on pure highway drive. our Ford Explorer EB on a Baguio run averaged 11km/liter, pero dito sa Manila it only averages 4km/liter. imagine the big drop on city driving. ganyan talaga gasolina lalo na pag dami idle stops. and mini-cars aren't an excuse. kaya nga mas gusto ko diesel eh




yan ang pinaka-accurate and personalized pa sa daily route and driving habits nyo.


those onboard trip computers are useless.


yun out of town driving, that's particularly useful only to determine kung ano talaga ang claim ng CASA sa fC, pero talagang ibang ang Manila driving. kahit si Einstein pa mag-compute nyan, hindi sya makaka-come-up ng equation, maliban na lang kung may averaging sya kung ilan pedestrian at ilan jeep ang biglang hihinto sa harap nyo. eh pano pa yun nagbebenta ng sampaguita at tubig sa kalye. and what about the average swervings you make due to stupid driver.

[Mark Ilagan]

masisira ulo nyo kaka-monitor nyan pati odomoter eh tinitignan nyo.

simple lang to calculate your personalized consumption. 2-3 full tanks. for every full tank, reset trip meter.
compute FC by dividing total liters filled in full tank by total kilometers consumed on empty. compare data on 2-3 refills. in algebra FC is km/liter = total KM (on yellow light) / total liters filled on full tank.

in my case my kilometer consumed per full tank is 550 - 560 liters, and my average full tank on yellow light is between 67 to 69 liters of diesel. so yun sta fe ko 8.xx km/liter. yan ang daily ko pero noon tumakbo ako ng manaoag, that's 250km per way so almost 500km, and I consumed only less than half full tank, so I know my SF can be thrifty at double, so 16km+/liter on pure highway drive. our Ford Explorer EB on a Baguio run averaged 11km/liter, pero dito sa Manila it only averages 4km/liter. imagine the big drop on city driving. ganyan talaga gasolina lalo na pag dami idle stops. and mini-cars aren't an excuse. kaya nga mas gusto ko diesel eh




yan ang pinaka-accurate and personalized pa sa daily route and driving habits nyo.


those onboard trip computers are useless.


yun out of town driving, that's particularly useful only to determine kung ano talaga ang claim ng CASA sa fC, pero talagang ibang ang Manila driving. kahit si Einstein pa mag-compute nyan, hindi sya makaka-come-up ng equation, maliban na lang kung may averaging sya kung ilan pedestrian at ilan jeep ang biglang hihinto sa harap nyo. eh pano pa yun nagbebenta ng sampaguita at tubig sa kalye. and what about the average swervings you make due to stupid driver.

salamat sir .. wag naman po sana masisira ang ulo ko... salamat po sa pag papaalala kung paano magcompute, pareho po pala tayo ng alam, check ko din po ... the whole point of my post is to note real time observation of present measurements as reflected in the on board comp as against what i observed in the past... realtime feedbacks which could be validated by using the "full tank" method of computing fc...

on the subject of Einstein's equation.. dyan po talagang masisira na ulo ko dyan but i think it's possible to compute the consumption if they have an accurate sensor for measuring the amount of fuel burned through the system (eg. fuel injection,valves etc.. not really a techy in that) vs. the distance travelled (odomoter)....

agree with Manila driving.. iba talaga... mas mabilis yan compared po dito sa amin na halos every 30m ay kanto na ulit.. average speed would be less than 20kph on a daily basis...

again.. thanks for insights!

[Mark Ilagan]

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[c_cube]

May I ask ano model Rio mo sir c_cube?

Your full tank of about 40L and distance to empty of 569kms, are both bigger than my Rio5. It seemed to me the sedan has bigger fuel tank.

HB unit ko..

drove it this weekend going to balayan batangas
All units are from trip com
- 6.7l/100km
- travelled 128 kms.
- avg sped was 43kms
Eco off
Mostly highway driving

When i got home here in manila, avg fc was 7.4l/100, with traffic at tagatay. Forgot to check other readings

Pansin ko pag city driving lakas talaga din ng konsumo, sa hway walang problema.

Mukhang ganito na talaga fc ng rio 1.4at

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[nimasreb]

guys hingi naman ng advise. officially, isa na ako sa mga kio owners na nagka engine knock. kinonfirm ito ng SA sa kia pasig. yung annoying noise na naririnig ko everytime na naka turn on ang ignition, parang diesel ang makina ko, tapos low power pa lalo na sa akyatan, eto na nga kinakatakutan ko. pero nung dinala ko last week, ang sabi ng isang SA sakin, mawawala daw ito pag 95 ang RON na gagamitin ko. base kasi sa experience nila, meron daw same engine knock problem, bagong rio, pinag fuel lang daw ng xcs tapos di na bumalik. last sunday kakafull tank ko lang ng xcs. nag experiment kasi ako ng mga unleaded fuels ng petron, shell at caltex tiningnan ko kung ano ang pinaka efficient. not knowing na eto pala magiging resulta. hay, kipit balikat na lang ako kahit na may kunting pagsisi dahil rio and vios ang pinagpilian ko talaga. mas malakas na nga kumonsumo ng gas, mag kakaengine knock pa. im taking the word of my SA na pag xcs ginamit ko mawawala yung ingay. im planning na dalawang full tank pag di pa rin nawala, babalik ko na sa kanila ito. any suggestions sa mga kia rio ex owners aside sa pagpalit sa xcs ano pa ba dapat ko ipacheck. sabi kasi nung SA, nung chineck ng computer nila wala daw sila makita. sabi ko hindi naman ganito ang ingay ng makina nung kinuha ko sa kanila. two months pa lang ang rio ko.

[PsychoMp3]

been monitoring this forum since the thread started. I agree with pop3corn. you don't need to check your odor to compute fc. but so far said mga post Hindi completely empty young Rio hung nag full tank. the rio's tank should be 42 or 45 I think, tapos name loload is just 32 to 35L so you still have about 10L. I've maximised my 1998 2.0L RAV4 4x4 5dr and I achieve 6.5km/l city. I am thinking to go for Kia Rio. but if that's the Fc parang nakakatakot. my full tank is usually 55 to 56 L. my tank capacity is 58L, 2L short of the 2006 to current RAV4. oh btw to ask, in the previous pages it was noted that the Rio uses more fuel in stop, I want to know is if it is D mode while stopped or in N mode?

[c_cube]

guys hingi naman ng advise. officially, isa na ako sa mga kio owners na nagka engine knock. kinonfirm ito ng SA sa kia pasig. yung annoying noise na naririnig ko everytime na naka turn on ang ignition, parang diesel ang makina ko, tapos low power pa lalo na sa akyatan, eto na nga kinakatakutan ko. pero nung dinala ko last week, ang sabi ng isang SA sakin, mawawala daw ito pag 95 ang RON na gagamitin ko. base kasi sa experience nila, meron daw same engine knock problem, bagong rio, pinag fuel lang daw ng xcs tapos di na bumalik. last sunday kakafull tank ko lang ng xcs. nag experiment kasi ako ng mga unleaded fuels ng petron, shell at caltex tiningnan ko kung ano ang pinaka efficient. not knowing na eto pala magiging resulta. hay, kipit balikat na lang ako kahit na may kunting pagsisi dahil rio and vios ang pinagpilian ko talaga. mas malakas na nga kumonsumo ng gas, mag kakaengine knock pa. im taking the word of my SA na pag xcs ginamit ko mawawala yung ingay. im planning na dalawang full tank pag di pa rin nawala, babalik ko na sa kanila ito. any suggestions sa mga kia rio ex owners aside sa pagpalit sa xcs ano pa ba dapat ko ipacheck. sabi kasi nung SA, nung chineck ng computer nila wala daw sila makita. sabi ko hindi naman ganito ang ingay ng makina nung kinuha ko sa kanila. two months pa lang ang rio ko.

Subukan mo muna mga 95 ron tas pag hindi nawala, claim ka na ng warranty.

Try to stick to one tye of fuel kasi tingin ko better pag ganun sa engine. Ako so far caltex gold lang gamit, 400+ odo wala pang knock at sana hindi naman magkaroon.

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True after full tank is still the best method for computing fc. So far my observation, malakas sa gas rio hb ko pag city dring with stop and go traffic condition for a 1.4 engine

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[nimasreb]

Subukan mo muna mga 95 ron tas pag hindi nawala, claim ka na ng warranty.

Try to stick to one tye of fuel kasi tingin ko better pag ganun sa engine. Ako so far caltex gold lang gamit, 400+ odo wala pang knock at sana hindi naman magkaroon.

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True after full tank is still the best method for computing fc. So far my observation, malakas sa gas rio hb ko pag city dring with stop and go traffic condition for a 1.4 engine

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eto nga sir ang plano ko. pag nag empty tank na ulet, pakarga ng kalahati tapos pag nag empty tank and hindi pa rin nawala, mejo babrasuhin ko na sila. meron ako mga nakausap sa work na change unit daw. posible ba ito. parng simpleng house appliance lang. baka kasi masalimuot ang proseso nito. maghintay ako ng matagal. malamang gagawa at gagawa ng paraan ang casa na ayusin ang problema. kaso ang akin lang, what if kung hindi nawala ang ingay kahit na higher octane pa gamit ko. ayaw ko namang isipin na nasa huli ang pagsisisi. first car ko pa naman ito. sa sportivo ko wala ako naging problema. five years na. eto two months pa lang meron na agad.

[c_cube]

eto nga sir ang plano ko. pag nag empty tank na ulet, pakarga ng kalahati tapos pag nag empty tank and hindi pa rin nawala, mejo babrasuhin ko na sila. meron ako mga nakausap sa work na change unit daw. posible ba ito. parng simpleng house appliance lang. baka kasi masalimuot ang proseso nito. maghintay ako ng matagal. malamang gagawa at gagawa ng paraan ang casa na ayusin ang problema. kaso ang akin lang, what if kung hindi nawala ang ingay kahit na higher octane pa gamit ko. ayaw ko namang isipin na nasa huli ang pagsisisi. first car ko pa naman ito. sa sportivo ko wala ako naging problema. five years na. eto two months pa lang meron na agad.

Kung change unit mukhang mahirap yan at talagang madugo, siguro refund pa pwede pero hindi ang full amount na.. Malamang gawin nila update o replace ecu lang talaga.

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[pop3corn]

guys hingi naman ng advise. officially, isa na ako sa mga kio owners na nagka engine knock. kinonfirm ito ng SA sa kia pasig. yung annoying noise na naririnig ko everytime na naka turn on ang ignition, parang diesel ang makina ko, tapos low power pa lalo na sa akyatan, eto na nga kinakatakutan ko. pero nung dinala ko last week, ang sabi ng isang SA sakin, mawawala daw ito pag 95 ang RON na gagamitin ko. base kasi sa experience nila, meron daw same engine knock problem, bagong rio, pinag fuel lang daw ng xcs tapos di na bumalik. last sunday kakafull tank ko lang ng xcs. nag experiment kasi ako ng mga unleaded fuels ng petron, shell at caltex tiningnan ko kung ano ang pinaka efficient. not knowing na eto pala magiging resulta. hay, kipit balikat na lang ako kahit na may kunting pagsisi dahil rio and vios ang pinagpilian ko talaga. mas malakas na nga kumonsumo ng gas, mag kakaengine knock pa. im taking the word of my SA na pag xcs ginamit ko mawawala yung ingay. im planning na dalawang full tank pag di pa rin nawala, babalik ko na sa kanila ito. any suggestions sa mga kia rio ex owners aside sa pagpalit sa xcs ano pa ba dapat ko ipacheck. sabi kasi nung SA, nung chineck ng computer nila wala daw sila makita. sabi ko hindi naman ganito ang ingay ng makina nung kinuha ko sa kanila. two months pa lang ang rio ko.

u 1.4 Korean car owners are practically at the mercy of our local unscrupulous fuel dealers and suppliers. Tingin ko kahit mag- adjust ang CASA, local fuel mixers will make our gasoline dirtier Dahil sa kaka-cost cutting nila .. dapat talaga tanggalin na ang ethanol mix eh, ngaun pala sedans are averaging 8-9 km / liter n lng. That's SUV territory.

Long ago my cars were Honda civic esi and Honda Crv 1st gen. unleaded Lang noon so my civic 1.6 averages 16km / liter city while crv at 10km/liter. now na mainstream na ethanol, my CrV is just 7-8km/liter. sayang yun ESI ko na benta na, nahilig sa SuV eh.

pero not worth na pala bumalik sa sedan ngaun, car manufacturers are improving engines pero isasabak LNG sa dirty fuel dito satin. I've checked almost all sedan threads here, wala na pala nakaka-over sa 10km/liter all city ngaun, mz2, spark, cruze, civic, city, jazz now the Korean cars Tsk Tsk.

I've read reviews of the Kia Rio HB in international forums particularly in Europe. owners brag how efficient their Kia rio's are. So yun mga woes nyo talagang ang culprit eh dirty mix ng gasoline dito satin .. It's affecting all cars with the low FCs, yun nga LNG mas malas Hyundai/ Kia may engine knock pa

[eido]

^ parang hindi ako makapaniwala na 16km/l city yung esi. Esi din ako dati. Baka idsi sinasabi mo

[cyberian]

guys hingi naman ng advise. officially, isa na ako sa mga kio owners na nagka engine knock. kinonfirm ito ng SA sa kia pasig. yung annoying noise na naririnig ko everytime na naka turn on ang ignition, parang diesel ang makina ko, tapos low power pa lalo na sa akyatan, eto na nga kinakatakutan ko. pero nung dinala ko last week, ang sabi ng isang SA sakin, mawawala daw ito pag 95 ang RON na gagamitin ko. base kasi sa experience nila, meron daw same engine knock problem, bagong rio, pinag fuel lang daw ng xcs tapos di na bumalik. last sunday kakafull tank ko lang ng xcs. nag experiment kasi ako ng mga unleaded fuels ng petron, shell at caltex tiningnan ko kung ano ang pinaka efficient. not knowing na eto pala magiging resulta. hay, kipit balikat na lang ako kahit na may kunting pagsisi dahil rio and vios ang pinagpilian ko talaga. mas malakas na nga kumonsumo ng gas, mag kakaengine knock pa. im taking the word of my SA na pag xcs ginamit ko mawawala yung ingay. im planning na dalawang full tank pag di pa rin nawala, babalik ko na sa kanila ito. any suggestions sa mga kia rio ex owners aside sa pagpalit sa xcs ano pa ba dapat ko ipacheck. sabi kasi nung SA, nung chineck ng computer nila wala daw sila makita. sabi ko hindi naman ganito ang ingay ng makina nung kinuha ko sa kanila. two months pa lang ang rio ko.

Just 45 minutes ago I just heard my first engine "knocking" sound. It happened first after slowing down on a corner then immediately applied gas (pedal halfway) but the transmission (in auto mode) is late to engaged a lower gear kaya na stress yong engine at umingay yong overhead camshafts. It sounded exactly like a diesel engine but the sound is finer and rapid not slow and loud like in a conventional diesel on idling. I just released the accelerator a bit to minimize the fuel supply and the engine smother out with no more sound on the valves & springs. I also noticed this again 3 times when accelerating quickly after a bend and overtaking. No similar sound so far on idling.

The fuel I used is Shell's V-Power Nitro+, my 3rd full tank and it's 60% consumed. I never experienced or noticed this on my two previous full tanks of PETRON XCS. I also noticed today that going uphill ay mas mabagal at hirap mag accelerate.

I was actually surprised hearing the noise because the car is an A/T and not manual, a problem which is apparently common to taxi cabs like the Nissan LEC series. Taxi drivers has a habit of engaging a gear too early when accelerating or late when decelerating resulting to a lot of overhead camshaft noises.

Made me think to stick to the XCS on my 4th full tank any day from now.

[yapoy86]

diba variable valve timing na yan?? normal lang yan... baka yung exhaust shielding yung nadinig nyo.. minsan tunog knocking yan pag nag vibrate..

[c_cube]

Just 45 minutes ago I just heard my first engine "knocking" sound. It happened first after slowing down on a corner then immediately applied gas (pedal halfway) but the transmission (in auto mode) is late to engaged a lower gear kaya na stress yong engine at umingay yong overhead camshafts. It sounded exactly like a diesel engine but the sound is finer and rapid not slow and loud like in a conventional diesel on idling. I just released the accelerator a bit to minimize the fuel supply and the engine smother out with no more sound on the valves & springs. I also noticed this again 3 times when accelerating quickly after a bend and overtaking. No similar sound so far on idling.

The fuel I used is Shell's V-Power Nitro+, my 3rd full tank and it's 60% consumed. I never experienced or noticed this on my two previous full tanks of PETRON XCS. I also noticed today that going uphill ay mas mabagal at hirap mag accelerate.

I was actually surprised hearing the noise because the car is an A/T and not manual, a problem which is apparently common to taxi cabs like the Nissan LEC series. Taxi drivers has a habit of engaging a gear too early when accelerating or late when decelerating resulting to a lot of overhead camshaft noises.

Made me think to stick to the XCS on my 4th full tank any day from now.

maybe because shell nitro+ is only 93 RON, XCS is 95.

This is the reason i stay away from using shell's premium gasoline kasi 93RON lang. kung gusto mo shell dapat yun nitro racing which is 97 RON pero masyado ng mahal. kaya lagi ko gamit caltex GOLD (95 RON) which is the advisable rating from our engine

[cyberian]

been monitoring this forum since the thread started. I agree with pop3corn. you don't need to check your odor to compute fc. but so far said mga post Hindi completely empty young Rio hung nag full tank. the rio's tank should be 42 or 45 I think, tapos name loload is just 32 to 35L so you still have about 10L. I've maximised my 1998 2.0L RAV4 4x4 5dr and I achieve 6.5km/l city. I am thinking to go for Kia Rio. but if that's the Fc parang nakakatakot. my full tank is usually 55 to 56 L. my tank capacity is 58L, 2L short of the 2006 to current RAV4. oh btw to ask, in the previous pages it was noted that the Rio uses more fuel in stop, I want to know is if it is D mode while stopped or in N mode?

Trip computer serves best as a quick reference and monitor your present fc on the fly. If you got the manual computation readings of your fc and compare it with your corresponding Trip Computer readings, you will know the slight avg discrepancy and so the moment you glanced again on your trip computer while driving, you can make mental computation on your "actual" fc. It can also weed out variables such as traffics if the corresponding avg speed is provided with the fc figures of others posted here. Though not appropriate to use on getting avg fc on full tank because the avg speed resets the next day. Trip computer is not useless after all, at least for me.

Regarding filling up, I usually wait for the first Low Fuel yellow light. The trip computer's distance to empty will display "-------" if you go below 48km. Pump stop on first click.

Regarding A/T, I usually engaged it to N on longer wait above 5 seconds on traffics. My habit since driving the Starex, my first A/T. In my observation malakas sa gas on idle and sa stop n go compared to the other vehicles (larger body/bigger engine displacement) I had the pleasure of driving. Matipid naman sa highway although limited short runs palang from time to time ako ngayon.

If fc is not too much of a concern, the new Rio is the best bang for the buck (subjective): just released & updated design (matagal pa replacement), bigger size (sedan comparable to the higher category compact vehicles) and lots of standard features/accessories. For performance and handling, I think the Fiesta is better.

Dhil maraming variables ang fc computations, I suggest you test drive a Rio and request the unit to have it full tank. ipasyal mo if possible close to your usual road traffic condition and then after accumulating enough kilometers, say minimum of 20kms, full tank it again and compute the fc para meron ka idea ano approx fc. Mazda is willing to have me test drive their new Mazda3 for performance and fc purposes but busy pa ako at the moment.

[uwak18]

If you use Petron Blaze which is 100 RON. will it stop the knocking sound? Will it make the rio more fuel efficient in terms of KM/L (wag na natin isama yung price variable). Tama ba na ang Kia rio and hyundai accent ECU's are tuned to EURO4 ? So you need to use EURO4 compliant gas.