2012 Kia Rio

[beckham07]

im experiencing knocking sound and low power on my rio mt 1.4 again...
do you guys experience this? what ginawa? thanks

[rio5]

im experiencing knocking sound and low power on my rio mt 1.4 again...
do you guys experience this? what ginawa? thanks

hi becham07 ano gas gamit mo? never use less than 95 octane rating on your try to use xcs or caltex gold

[valacirca]

never use less than 95 octane rating

Sir, is it necessary to abide by this rule? O chambahan lang din po sa makukuhang unit?

Kasi I've been using Shell Fuel Save for over a week (which has an octane rating of 93 iirc) and I haven't experienced any problems with my car so far.

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Sir, is it necessary to abide by this rule? O chambahan lang din po sa makukuhang unit?

Kasi I've been using Shell Fuel Save for over a week (which has an octane rating of 93 iirc) and I haven't experienced any problems with my car so far.

Nope, not necessarily.

It is the recommended rating lang naman. nasa atin parin kung susunod.

Pero kasi ang paniniwala ko dyan, hindi ilalagay ng KIA o planta yan "RATING" kung wala wala lang talaga. dahil hindi naman CAC or mga CASA nanggaling yun ganyan, sa mga gumawa o nagtune nun makina

[valacirca]

^ I see. Thanks! So based on that, would you recommend that I shift to Petron XCS or Shell Nitro (both RON 95) even if I'm not experiencing any problems with Shell Fuel Save?

[composite]

I finally got my Rio Hatchback last week. Sa may mga IOS: ipad or iphone, try nyo app na Road Trip to monitor and record your fc manual computation. You could also monitor your average expenses as to P/km. Very helpful.. Pati MMDA App

ODO: 246km
8.4L/100KM (11.90km/L)
2000-3000 rpm
Caltex Gold

Manual computation.
Mixed: tomas Morato w/ medium traffic --> katipunan w/ light traffic --> marcos hway w/ light-medium traffic --> Antipolo proper w/ medium traffic --> junction w/medium Traffic --> Rosario Pasig medium to heavy traffic

So far so good pa naman. Honestly I'm a bit pessimistic when I got my ride bec I was really expecting for a bad fc(after observing all the fc problem threads for 2-3 months here in tsikot and other countries). Siguro hnd pa kasi ako naiipit ng matagal sa heavy traffic. Na tlgang mga 1-2hrs na bumper to bumper. I try to plan my route and check for MMDA traffic updates. Pati I do observe my driving habits.
Hopefully patuloy na sanang gumanda itong fc (keeping my fingers cross kasi it's too early to tell or conclude)Hindi ko alam kung updated version na ba itong hatchback. Pero sabi nga nung CAC engineer na nagcheck kay sir c_cube na updated or latest firmware nmn yung ECU at wala png bago. Iobserve ko pa rin. And post ko mga susunod na fc ko.

[rio5]

I finally got my Rio Hatchback last week. Sa may mga IOS: ipad or iphone, try nyo app na Road Trip to monitor and record your fc manual computation. You could also monitor your average expenses as to P/km. Very helpful.. Pati MMDA App

ODO: 246km
8.4L/100KM (11.90km/L)
2000-3000 rpm
Caltex Gold

Manual computation.
Mixed: tomas Morato w/ medium traffic --> katipunan w/ light traffic --> marcos hway w/ light-medium traffic --> Antipolo proper w/ medium traffic --> junction w/medium Traffic --> Rosario Pasig medium to heavy traffic

So far so good pa naman. Honestly I'm a bit pessimistic when I got my ride bec I was really expecting for a bad fc(after observing all the fc problem threads for 2-3 months here in tsikot and other countries). Siguro hnd pa kasi ako naiipit ng matagal sa heavy traffic. Na tlgang mga 1-2hrs na bumper to bumper. I try to plan my route and check for MMDA traffic updates. Pati I do observe my driving habits.
Hopefully patuloy na sanang gumanda itong fc (keeping my fingers cross kasi it's too early to tell or conclude)Hindi ko alam kung updated version na ba itong hatchback. Pero sabi nga nung CAC engineer na nagcheck kay sir c_cube na updated or latest firmware nmn yung ECU at wala png bago. Iobserve ko pa rin. And post ko mga susunod na fc ko.

congrats composite on your new ride,to get the actual FC try mo manual computation dont rely sa display sa cluster natin its not accurate.full tank ka then use it till you reach 50km or more then full tank uli and compute mo,sana nga may ok na mga rio5 unit ngayon ng maayos na din yun first batch.

[GIC]

I finally got my Rio Hatchback last week. Sa may mga IOS: ipad or iphone, try nyo app na Road Trip to monitor and record your fc manual computation. You could also monitor your average expenses as to P/km. Very helpful.. Pati MMDA App

ODO: 246km
8.4L/100KM (11.90km/L)
2000-3000 rpm
Caltex Gold

Manual computation.
Mixed: tomas Morato w/ medium traffic --> katipunan w/ light traffic --> marcos hway w/ light-medium traffic --> Antipolo proper w/ medium traffic --> junction w/medium Traffic --> Rosario Pasig medium to heavy traffic

So far so good pa naman. Honestly I'm a bit pessimistic when I got my ride bec I was really expecting for a bad fc(after observing all the fc problem threads for 2-3 months here in tsikot and other countries). Siguro hnd pa kasi ako naiipit ng matagal sa heavy traffic. Na tlgang mga 1-2hrs na bumper to bumper. I try to plan my route and check for MMDA traffic updates. Pati I do observe my driving habits.
Hopefully patuloy na sanang gumanda itong fc (keeping my fingers cross kasi it's too early to tell or conclude)Hindi ko alam kung updated version na ba itong hatchback. Pero sabi nga nung CAC engineer na nagcheck kay sir c_cube na updated or latest firmware nmn yung ECU at wala png bago. Iobserve ko pa rin. And post ko mga susunod na fc ko.

Wow congrats doc! Cant wait to see ur ride! Cheers!

[valacirca]

FYI Rio owners, I'll be keeping track of my fuel consumption sa Fuel Consumption Database thread. I started with this post and will update for each trip I make hanggang magsawa ako mag-monitor ng fc :D lol.

Okay, so I've decided to keep track of my fuel consumption on a per-trip basis based on the readings on the display panel. Yung manual computation gagawin ko lang everytime ako magpapa-full tank ng gas.

This is for a 2012 Kia Rio 1.4 EX AT Sedan

FUEL - What fuel is loaded in my tank
KM REMAIN - estimate of how many km the car can still travel based on the amount of gas in the tank (from the display)
ODO - odometer reading (from the display)
T.HRS - trip travel time (in hours; from the display)
T.MINS - trip tavel time (in mins; from the display)
TRIP (KM) - distance of trip (from the display)
AVE KPH - average speed of trip (from the display)
MANUAL KPH - manual computation of average speed (travel distance divided by travel time)
L/100KM - average fuel consumption during the trip (from the display)
KM/L - conversion of the fuel consumption to km/L
MANUAL KM/L - distance travelled since last full tank divided by liters of gas needed to refill to full tank

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Forgot to tell everyone that I had the test drive session with CAC last Saturday.
After doing 4 trips, with controlled eco driving until 2k rpm, i got average consumption for the following:

7.09km/l (heavy traffic)
7.57km/l (moderate traffic)
8.09km/l (normal traffic)
13.89km/l (combined traffic, mostly highway)

Bottomline, bawal lumagpas ng 2k rpm if we want to get the best FC. Only problem with that requirement, bawal na ang "sporty" at "aggressive" driving. Dahil maliit lang makina, parang pagong to accelerate without crossing the 2k rpm.

Applying some principles above, here is my latest FC:

15 liters Petron Blaze 100
Odo: around 1,800++ km.
Eastwood-Makati-Intramuros-Makati-Eastwood, rush hour traffic
Reading: 105.4km
FC: 7.03 km/liter

I asked the CAC representative to inform me ASAP if there are ECU updates for the Rio so that I can further improve my FC.

Yan din sabi sa akin nun nag test, hanggang 2k lang daw ang rpm tas 70 kph ang max speed dapat.

Pero ako sinubukan ko 2.5k ang rpm, not bad parin fc nakukuha ko.

Tanong ko lang, napansin mo bang parang mas tipid ang blaze? Lalo na sa heavy traffic.

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[c_cube]

Between Petron XCS (RON 95) and Shell V-Power Nitro+ Racing (RON 97), may advantage ba yung Nitro+ Racing over the XCS for the Rio?

Around 2 pesos per liter yung difference eh, which means approx. +250PHP per month on fuel if I use the Nitro+ Racing over the XCS.

Anong opinion niyo Rio owners?

Stick ka nalang sa premium, baliwala lang din yan high octane na yan, masasayang lang pera mo dyan.

Bad news for me nga pala: Yung 12-day old kong Rio, kinailangan agad dalhin sa casa!

Paano kasi kagabi, nasa The Fort Strip parking ako tapos sobrang tigas ng brake + hindi ko siya mastart. So I had to call Kia BGC (where I purchased the unit) and they sent two mechanics to the parking lot to check out the problem.

They said something seemed to be wrong with the computer and the car had to be left sa casa because kahit na ma-start nila at mauwi ko, baka the following day naman hindi ko din ma-start.

So I had no choice but to leave the car at Kia BGC.

I just picked up the car again an hour ago and they explained to me that they found a "cluster error" sa ECU or something like that.

Tinanong ko hindi ba dapat chineck-up nila yung unit before releasing it... so what could have happened between then and now (12 days) to have caused the error? Hindi nila masagot... minsan daw may nangyayari talaga na ganun

Sana natanong mo kung ano yun error code na lumabas para sana macheck natin sa net yun cause kung bakit ganun nangyari. Dahil ang mga casa talaga puro nalang hindi alam ang sagot sa mga ganyan bagay.

to all kia rio owners kailangan makarating sa pinaka mataas ito ng CAC,and i found out that the president of CAC is ms.ginia domingo,you can send her a message sa facebook account nya about our complaints

Mukhang mali naman yata mag complaint sa personal account niya. Tingin ko sa kia international parin pinaka ok mag complaint dahil mabilis ang sagot nila. Kelangan lang siguro ipunin lahat ng complaints tas maglista lahat kung ilan owners ang nagrereklamo

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[valacirca]

Stick ka nalang sa premium, baliwala lang din yan high octane na yan, masasayang lang pera mo dyan.

Ok nagkarga na ako XCS kagabi.

Sana natanong mo kung ano yun error code na lumabas para sana macheck natin sa net yun cause kung bakit ganun nangyari. Dahil ang mga casa talaga puro nalang hindi alam ang sagot sa mga ganyan bagay.

I texted my sales agent na itanong dun sa tumingin ng Rio ko kung ano yung error code... although idk, I have the feeling na hindi nila nilo-log yun and wala nang makapagsasabi sa akin kung ano yung error code na nakita nila.

If ever though, where/how can we find out what the error code means?

[rio5]

Mukhang mali naman yata mag complaint sa personal account niya. Tingin ko sa kia international parin pinaka ok mag complaint dahil mabilis ang sagot nila. Kelangan lang siguro ipunin lahat ng complaints tas maglista lahat kung ilan owners ang nagrereklamo

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well i just want to ask her if she was aware of the problem of our rio5.and regarding don sa kia international, sa CAC din pala dumadating mga email natin.kaya ganunkabilis reply nila.

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^^^
well pwede naman siguro kung maayos naman ang letter o email mo sa kanyan. IMO lang kasi, pag ganyan personal account na para private life niya na yan eh, hindi na kasama sa trabaho kaya baka hindi maging maganda ang dating. pero we can always try..

magpakabit nalang tayo unichip sa speedlab para mare-tune nila yun ECU natin hahaha! group buy nalang, baka bumababa ng 15K ang isa kasama pa dyno :wishful thinking:

[denpacs]

With all those FC problems encountered, probably CAC is now eyeing to introduce this next year..
A dream for all Rio HB users..

Kia Introduces Rio SX M/T

[rio5]

^^^
well pwede naman siguro kung maayos naman ang letter o email mo sa kanyan. IMO lang kasi, pag ganyan personal account na para private life niya na yan eh, hindi na kasama sa trabaho kaya baka hindi maging maganda ang dating. pero we can always try..

magpakabit nalang tayo unichip sa speedlab para mare-tune nila yun ECU natin hahaha! group buy nalang, baka bumababa ng 15K ang isa kasama pa dyno :wishful thinking:

hi c_cube ang tanong eh mag work kaya sa auto natin unichip? mag improve kaya FC ilang percent? ang mahal kasi,kung mga 5k lang ok na

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hi c_cube ang tanong eh mag work kaya sa auto natin unichip? mag improve kaya FC ilang percent? ang mahal kasi,kung mga 5k lang ok na

Tingin ko pwedeng magwork dahil pag nagpakabit ng unichip sa speed lab may dyno na kasama eh. So makikita mo talaga yun graph ng before and after ng pagkabit ng unichip.

30K din kasi eh, ilan fulltanks din kasi yun noh? pero im not sure kasi kung mawawala warranty pag kinabitan ng unichip eh. mahirap kasi baka biglang magka engine knock, hindi i-honor ng kia yun warranty hehehe!

[c_cube]

so the best pa din talaga sa auto natin is an ECU upgrade. kelan kaya ito?

Yup tingin ko ecu upgrade talaga kelangan, parang yun ginawa ng hari sa accent. Like what nicky said, 1st and 2nd gear are very long.

Kaya pansin ko pag nasa 3rd o 4th gear wala ng pulling power, kelangan mo lagi mag downshift. mapapansin mo ito pag biglang paakyat ang kalsada o akyat ka sa tulay, biglang nawawalan ng hatak kahit medyo idiin mo, dapat magdownshift muna.

How could we know if there is an ECU upgrade available?

May bayad ba dapat to?

Does this pertain to the software? hardware? or both?

Nun nagtest yun cac guy ng unit ko, yan mga ecu upgrade ginagawa nalang nila pag nag pms. Pero normally daw hindi na nila sinasabi o tatawagan ang client pag may bagong update o upgrade.

Alam ko pa nga number nun cac guy eh, gusto niyo meet natin minsan. mag ipon ipon tayo tas raise natin concerns pero hindi ako sigurado kung makakatulong.

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[rio5]

Yup tingin ko ecu upgrade talaga kelangan, parang yun ginawa ng hari sa accent. Like what nicky said, 1st and 2nd gear are very long.




Nun nagtest yun cac guy ng unit ko, yan mga ecu upgrade ginagawa nalang nila pag nag pms. Pero normally daw hindi na nila sinasabi o tatawagan ang client pag may bagong update o upgrade.

Alam ko pa nga number nun cac guy eh, gusto niyo meet natin minsan. mag ipon ipon tayo tas raise natin concerns pero hindi ako sigurado kung makakatulong.

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hi c_cube maybe i would agree with you about no need to tell the owner sa upgrade ng ECU for PMS,pero iba naman situation natin eh lahat ng unit nila may problem sa FC,and hindi naman kaila sa kanila na ang dami ng nag complain sa kanila.that is why they should do something about it,to stay competative.
kung ayaw nilang dumami complains they should be honest sa mga potential buyer nila ng rio5,tell them straight to their face when ask about FC na 7km lang or less sa city driving.
usually this is the first questions ask ng mga buyer ng auto diba,kung anu-ano pa kasing paliguy ligoy na sagot.
about us owners no need na mag meet para i-raise ang concern,i think we should just press them na gawan nila ng paraan problema. and napaka simple lang gawin nila eh tawagan nila kia korea at sabihin problema

[composite]

Wow congrats doc! Cant wait to see ur ride! Cheers!

Hehe thanks doc GIC! see you on sunday with doc AMALGAM.