Isuzu Crosswind Owners Thread [ARCHIVED]

[FrankDrebin]

Just a tip, please don't expect your Crosswinds, Revos, Adventures, etc. to ride and perform like your previous 1.6 sedans. There's a big difference between the two vehicles.

[20vanda01]

Crosswind Owners, do you know if the vacuum supply for the breaks are coming from the alternator?

[TJMaxx]

Hello. I'm seriously considering getting a Crosswind and evaluating it in detail versus an Innova 2.5L D4D G variant or a Mitsubishi Adventure Super Sport 2.5L.
I'm taking my own sweet time in the evaluation process but so far the Crosswind XUV is ahead on my list. I haven't owned a diesel-fed vehicle before but I'm really decided already that my next ride will be diesel powered. My no.1 consideration is Fuel Economy, followed by engine reliability and durability and then by overall long-term cost of ownership (i.e. maintenance costs, easy availability and affordability of spare parts). My impression from reading a lot of posts over Tsikot.com is that the Crosswind adresses all these considerations quite satisfactorily even if the Crosswind has been repeatedly maligned in almost all car reviews that I have read on-line and in print.

I just have some queries that perhaps long time Isuzu owners can answer:

1. In the Buyer's Guide of C! Magazine, the Crosswind, with an indicated 81 HP, was listed as having a fuel consumption of 10 km/l City and 14 km/l Highway. The Innova G D4D, with an indicated 102HP, was listed as having the same fuel consumption as the Crosswind. The Adventure Super Sport, with 73HP, was not tested for fuel consumption but an article in motioncars.com mentioned that its F.C. was around 9 km/l city& highway.
I just need to comprehend:
(a) why these 3 vehicles have different HPs despite all having the same 2.5L engine displacements
(b) Why despite the Innova having more HP and the more modern common rail, it delivers just the same fuel economy as the Crosswind
(c) How come the 2.5L Mitsu Adventure is thirstier than the 2.5L Crosswind if engine displacement is the same

Second Query: What driving tips can you give a person like me who is newly migrating to diesel. Any techniques in gear shifting, acceleration, routine maintenance, etc.

Lastly, I was able to test drive an XUV from a dealership a few weeks back. Very noticeable yung di pagka-align ng clutch, brake at gas pedals. I have to lift my right foot from the accelerator to step on the brakes. Tapos medyo malalim yung clutch pedal at medyo "rubbery" yung stick shift. Was that just the demo unit or are all Xwind like that?
With regards to engine noise, di naman ganun ka-ingay as claimed in previous posts, IMO. Tapos, yung bang seat cover nun ay totoong leather or vinyl leatherette lang?
Ang maganda pala sa Crosswind ay kumpleto na sa bihis at porma di tulad ng Innova na parang bare ang dating at dami pang accessories ang kailangang idagdag. Gusto ko din yung Aircon niya. Ang lakas. Tatagal kaya ang pagkalakas ng lamig niya even in the long term?
Salamat sa tulong at mga payo ninyo.

[niky]

*20vanda01: I'm not sure what you mean.

Hello. I'm seriously considering getting a Crosswind and evaluating it in detail versus an Innova 2.5L D4D G variant or a Mitsubishi Adventure Super Sport 2.5L.
I'm taking my own sweet time in the evaluation process but so far the Crosswind XUV is ahead on my list. I haven't owned a diesel-fed vehicle before but I'm really decided already that my next ride will be diesel powered. My no.1 consideration is Fuel Economy, followed by engine reliability and durability and then by overall long-term cost of ownership (i.e. maintenance costs, easy availability and affordability of spare parts). My impression from reading a lot of posts over Tsikot.com is that the Crosswind adresses all these considerations quite satisfactorily even if the Crosswind has been repeatedly maligned in almost all car reviews that I have read on-line and in print.

I just have some queries that perhaps long time Isuzu owners can answer:

1. In the Buyer's Guide of C! Magazine, the Crosswind, with an indicated 81 HP, was listed as having a fuel consumption of 10 km/l City and 14 km/l Highway. The Innova G D4D, with an indicated 102HP, was listed as having the same fuel consumption as the Crosswind. The Adventure Super Sport, with 73HP, was not tested for fuel consumption but an article in motioncars.com mentioned that its F.C. was around 9 km/l city& highway.
I just need to comprehend:
(a) why these 3 vehicles have different HPs despite all having the same 2.5L engine displacements
(b) Why despite the Innova having more HP and the more modern common rail, it delivers just the same fuel economy as the Crosswind
(c) How come the 2.5L Mitsu Adventure is thirstier than the 2.5L Crosswind if engine displacement is the same

Second Query: What driving tips can you give a person like me who is newly migrating to diesel. Any techniques in gear shifting, acceleration, routine maintenance, etc.

Lastly, I was able to test drive an XUV from a dealership a few weeks back. Very noticeable yung di pagka-align ng clutch, brake at gas pedals. I have to lift my right foot from the accelerator to step on the brakes. Tapos medyo malalim yung clutch pedal at medyo "rubbery" yung stick shift. Was that just the demo unit or are all Xwind like that?
With regards to engine noise, di naman ganun ka-ingay as claimed in previous posts, IMO. Tapos, yung bang seat cover nun ay totoong leather or vinyl leatherette lang?
Ang maganda pala sa Crosswind ay kumpleto na sa bihis at porma di tulad ng Innova na parang bare ang dating at dami pang accessories ang kailangang idagdag. Gusto ko din yung Aircon niya. Ang lakas. Tatagal kaya ang pagkalakas ng lamig niya even in the long term?
Salamat sa tulong at mga payo ninyo.

1.a. The Innova D4D is common rail direct injection, meaning, it is equipped with high pressure injectors that help improve combustion and keep the engine cool at higher turbocharging pressures. Thus, it's more powerful than the ancient diesels of the Crosswind and Adventure, although not as powerful as the 2.5 CRDis in the Mitsubishi Strada (136 hp, 2.5 liter) and in the Starex (145 hp, 2.5 liter). Mitsubishi won't be using that 136 hp engine in the Adventure, as it's about due for replacement.

1.b. It's simply because the displacement is the same. Typically, the more power you make, the more fuel you use, but in cruising and in traffic, you don't use all your power. Cruising at 1,000 - 2,000 rpms, you will often use the same amount of gas in a turbocharged engine as in a non-turbocharged engine. Also, the Innova is lighter than the Crosswind.

1.c. It could be a number of reasons. But there's some variability in testing. Unless the same person tested all three vehicles on the same day and in the exact same conditions, you're bound to get different results.

2. Don't wring out the engine all the time. A Crosswind usually isn't happy above 3,000 rpms. Shift low, take advantage of your torque... but don't lug it. After a while, you'll learn when you're lugging it (you'll feel the increased vibration and hesitation) and you'll learn where the engine is happiest.

As for maintenance, since the XUV MT is now turbocharged, take it easy or coast when you're near your destination, or, alternatively, idle for at least 30 seconds to one minute when you park to let oil circulate freely in the turbo (I'm not sure if the XUV's turbo is oil or water cooled) before you turn it off. It's not a necessity, according to some, but it will definitely help increase the life of your turbo.

Don't miss any oil changes.

3. I've never noticed anything wrong with the pedals of the Crosswind, but the brakes are usually spongy and weak. Maybe you'll get used to it. The gearshift is indeed rubbery, and tends to get notchy over time. The bushings on our shifter have worn out (at 100,000 kms... seems many Japanese gearshifters tend to do this with this many kilometers) and the lock-out for reverse is gone. Still, it's passable, and I prefer the MT to the AT Crosswind as the AT is unbearably slow in overtaking situations.

The new engines may not be as noisy simply because of the turbocharger. A turbocharger also acts as a sort of muffler, evening out the lumpiness in the noise coming from the cylinders.

It's leatherette... take good care of it. If it gets too dry or hot, it may crack, over time (ours did... 3 years, 100,000 kms old now... on the driver's seat).

As for the aircon, get good tint. It may get weaker over time (ours finally got recharged a few months ago). I've never felt ours to be particularly strong, but my previous ride was a Nissan, so I might be biased ( ).

Personally, having driven a number of Hilanders and Crosswinds over the past few years, I can understand your decision, despite not agreeing with it. I prefer getting the lower end Crosswinds because the smaller wheels mean a better ride, but aside from the harsh ride and weak brakes (changing tires can help with both of these problems), the Crosswind hasn't given us many headaches in these past three years. It's easier to care for than a car, and it's mechanically simple. The only real complaint I have is the expense of dealership service.

[bugjuices]

yung isuzu crosswind 2007 may mga ganito pa rin bang problema sa muffler na napuputol at yung problema sa clutch?

[niky]

Supposedly, wala na yung muffler problem. Iba na yata yung exhaust design.

As for the clutch... typical naman yun sa driving namin... all traffic... that 110,000 kilometers was something like 80% traffic. Our first clutch was replaced at 40k kms (we suspect the driver was clutch-driving it), but the new one has lasted 70k kms and is still good.

[bugjuices]

*niky

maraming salamat......

[bugjuices]

*niky

maraming salamat,sure na kaya na wala ng muffler problem ang crosswind 2007,sana nga kasi yan talaga gusto kung bilhin,hindi ba ako magsisi kung sakali,oo nga pala tungkol naman doon sa mabilis magkaroon ng kalawang na resolve na rin kaya?

siguro yung sa clutch hindi ako magkakroon ng problema kasi gusto sana matic,para ok sa long driving,wala na bang ibang problema sa crosswind kung sakali model 2007 na?

maraming salamat.......

[Syuryuken]

*niky

maraming salamat,sure na kaya na wala ng muffler problem ang crosswind 2007,sana nga kasi yan talaga gusto kung bilhin,hindi ba ako magsisi kung sakali,oo nga pala tungkol naman doon sa mabilis magkaroon ng kalawang na resolve na rin kaya?

siguro yung sa clutch hindi ako magkakroon ng problema kasi gusto sana matic,para ok sa long driving,wala na bang ibang problema sa crosswind kung sakali model 2007 na?

maraming salamat.......

Yung muffler problem ng Xwind wala na. About sa kalawang naman nasa pag-aalaga lang yan, depende sa may-ari.

Sa AT na Xwind baka magkaproblema ka at ibenta mo din agad sobrang bagal ng AT niyan. Mag MT ka na lang kung gusto mo.

[bugjuices]

*Syuryuken

sir papanong mabagal,mabagal yung acceleration ganun ba sir,iniisip ko kasi ,kapag misis ko na nagdridrive para mas madali din sa kanya,at lalo na kung long driving,para madali din sa kanya kapag may mga kasama syang bata na makukulit....

pero sa matic ng crosswind sir walang namang problema,kelan ba sir naayos ng isuzu yung sira ng crosswind,tungkol sa muffler?anong model year ng crosswind bukod sa 2007 ang ok na sa muffler?

[Syuryuken]

*Syuryuken

sir papanong mabagal,mabagal yung acceleration ganun ba sir,iniisip ko kasi ,kapag misis ko na nagdridrive para mas madali din sa kanya,at lalo na kung long driving,para madali din sa kanya kapag may mga kasama syang bata na makukulit....

pero sa matic ng crosswind sir walang namang problema,kelan ba sir naayos ng isuzu yung sira ng crosswind,tungkol sa muffler?anong model year ng crosswind bukod sa 2007 ang ok na sa muffler?

Sa muffler naayos na ng Isuzu yun. Sa acceleration mo mapupuna yung kabagalan ng Xwind, ibibitin pag nag overtake ka. Pero kung para kay esmi pwede na yun hindi naman siya mangangarera

[bugjuices]

*Syuryuken

hindi ba ganun naman talaga yun kasi,kapag matic hindi ka kaagad puwedeng magshift sa 4th gear kaagad tulad ng manual,sa matic di ba hindi ka na nagshishift ng gear depende sa tapak sa gas,pero kung tatapakan mo yung gas bigla, hindi pa ba sapat yung kung nasa 4th gear ka na para makaovertake ka,unless ayaw magpasingit o magpaovertake ng nasa unahan mo,ehh ganun din yun di ba,ang lamang lang manual 5 speed yung matic 4 speed lang........

mostly naman sa review pareho lang yung acceleration,minsan mabilis pa yung matic,pareho lang naman sila ng engine,baka yung feeling lang 1st gear tapos to higher gear,ramdam mo kasi yun sa manual,lalo na yung acceleration....

papano naman kung katulad ng may mga kotse ng automatic at the same time puwedeng manual,do you mean magkaiba din sila ng acceleration?

even yung top 10 fastest car in world is automatic,even F1 (formula one) is automatic to change gear in milleseconds......at marami pang iba......tulad ng [SIZE=-1]mercedez benz SLR Mclaren,automatic version lang ang meron at walang manual....[/SIZE]
http://www.funadvice.com/q/why_do_ma...ssion_cars_get

even Porsche 911 automatic is quicker than their manual counterparts
http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/Ar...rticleID=11039

[niky]

With a torque converter equipped automatic, a normal car will always be slower than a traditional manual.

The Porsche 911 AT isn't a good indicator of AT performance in general. With engines that powerful, the extra weight of the torque converter is nearly negligible. And with cars of that speed, (911, SLR), traction concerns often outweigh power transmission concerns when it comes to 0-100 km/h times.

For cars such as the Crosswind, which has merely 1/6th the power of the Porsche, the torque converter saps a lot of power out of what little is there.

In overtaking, you simply slot the MT one gear lower and ride the torque through the overtake. With the AT Crosswind, you can floor it and the speed will not increase appreciably. It's lazy to kick down, and when it does kick down a gear, it takes a while for the transmission to synch with the engine.

In fact, when driving Crosswind ATs going uphill, I like to do this: I ride the throttle at 1/4th opening... then floor it (full throttle) for a few seconds, then back to 1/4th. My passengers never notice a thing.

[bugjuices]

*niky

i gave an example not just the 911 even other cars and suv,auv, that matic is not a lazy one compared to manual.....

how come that syuryuken said na mabagal daw yung crosswind na matic?sabi mo may delay,does it mean na mabagal yung matic compared sa manual?

dami kung sample, kung yung mga sasakyan ba na may manual at matic,pareho lang ba sila ng acceleration......

nacompare ko lang yung mga sportcar kasi it doesnt mean na kapag matic ka mabagal yung acceleration....

gaano katagal yung a while na sinasabi mo to synch yung transmission sa engine,inaabot ba ng ilang minuto?papano kung binigla ko yung tapak sa gas?bakit nasubukan ko yung company car na isuzu crosswind both manual and matic,na try ko na ito dati,pero sinubukan ko ulit kanina,pareho lang,kahit sa toyota altis ko na matic at manual na altis ng officemate ko pareho lang,kahit yung company car na fortuner at mazda pickup na matic....nakakahiya nga kinulit ko pa yung may hawak ng sasakyan.......

ehh ano yung mga sinasabi ni syuryuken na mabagal yung acceleration ng matic sa manual,bigyan ninyo naman ako ng proof para majustify.....yung sa crosswind

nagbasa na nga ako ng review,pareho lang aw yung acceleration minsan mabilis pa yung matic,hindi naman nasagot yung mga tanong ko doon sa unang post ko....hirap ng sabi-sabi lang....

pero wag na lang, thank you na lang,doon na lang tayo sa ,kung may problema pa sa muffler kung ganun pa rin ba sa crosswind 2007 at may iba pang problema?......

[rsnald]

*niky

pero wag na lang, thank you na lang,doon na lang tayo sa ,kung may problema pa sa muffler kung ganun pa rin ba sa crosswind 2007 at may iba pang problema?......

on the muffler issue, ang banggit ni cj a.k.a. crosswind guru , mas nilakihan daw nila yung flexible hose na naka install dun sa exhaust manifold coming from the engine going the middle section. Sa tingin ko yun nga ang solusyon para ma-isolate yung vibration na primary cause ng muffler cracks and breakages. at mukhang inimprove nila yung engine mounts dahil wala din masyado vibration yung buong engine on start up and shutting off.

now on the acceleration, I don't have any first hand experience in actually driving a matic, but when an officemate in our office had a xuv matic, sinubok ko i-floor yung accelerator while on neutral, mabagal yung pickup ng RPM, compared to my manual trans xto. Anyways, siguro malaki din yung influence ng gear ratios on acceleration, magkaiba ng gear ratios ang matic and manual. Saka pagkaalam ko, papalo pa lang yung turbo at around 3000rpm before the extra horsepower kicks in. Again, hear-say ko lang yun or nabasa somewhere. Kaya ang matic daw, you have to rev it hard for the turbo to kick in. kaya mas malakas sa diesel consumption ang matic compared to the manual version.
hth ;)

[MACpod]

yes totoo na around 3k rpm gumagana ang turbo. had driven my XTi for 2weeks before returning overseas. natutuwa ako sa performance ng bagong crosswind. laki tlga ng improvement.
but matagtag tlga ung sa 3rd row front facing seats nila. i tried to be a passenger and sat there to experience the ride and yun ung nakuha ko. hehe.
i drove from manila to lucban quezon and vice versa, ok tlga ang fuel consumption dahil naka 23L/ km ako!
very happy!

[chua_riwap]

yes totoo na around 3k rpm gumagana ang turbo. had driven my XTi for 2weeks before returning overseas. natutuwa ako sa performance ng bagong crosswind. laki tlga ng improvement.
but matagtag tlga ung sa 3rd row front facing seats nila. i tried to be a passenger and sat there to experience the ride and yun ung nakuha ko. hehe.
i drove from manila to lucban quezon and vice versa, ok tlga ang fuel consumption dahil naka 23L/ km ako!
very happy!

Gulat ako rito........dapat ata 23km/liter ito.

[MACpod]

Gulat ako rito........dapat ata 23km/liter ito.

ooops sorry sa typo error. tao lang.

[speed_lab]

hndi pala nakakahabol ang adventure na diesel sa crosswind sa rektahan....hahaha....sa star tollway^^ ung muffler problem ung sa 05' na xwind ko hndi ko pa naeencounter eh...siguro depende nlng un sa pagddrive?

[RedHorse]

or wala ka lang madaanan na matulis na humps