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    #181
    Quote Originally Posted by jcal68 View Post
    Hmm. . .I believe reliability is different from durability.

    Reliability is consistency in performing required function. Such as, in the Foton thread, many owners find it unreliable for it did not function as expected.

    Durability is resistance to wear and often measured in years.
    If these two are different or are not related, then lalo ka matakot sa tsikot mo.

    How can one be not reliable but durable?

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    #182
    Quote Originally Posted by weisshorn View Post
    i still have my 1st gen 2007 tucson. kaya pa rin makipag hagaran sa did & d4d jap suv.
    When I see the first gen Tucson sa roads, how come yun body Mukang deteriorated. I compare it to the 3rd gen CRV and 3rd Gen RAV4 which had models 2007 up and iba talaga ang itsura pag nagluma

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    #183
    Madaling mabulok talaga Korean cars, pero tatakbo pa rin.

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    #184
    Typical Korean car haters. Haha
    Alam niyo nasa owner din kasi yan. Kung di ka maalaga sa maintenance mabilis talaga mabulok yang sasakyan mo and maraming breakdowns. Kahit pa Toyota o Honda yan kung neglected ang alaga diyan di tatagal yan

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaggerx3 View Post
    Typical Korean car haters. Haha
    Alam niyo nasa owner din kasi yan. Kung di ka maalaga sa maintenance mabilis talaga mabulok yang sasakyan mo and maraming breakdowns. Kahit pa Toyota o Honda yan kung neglected ang alaga diyan di tatagal yan
    During the time that every corner in the metro manila roads were uneven or riddled with potholes, no car, be it Japanese, Korean or European were immune to suspension breakdown. Mabilis din kalawangin mga kotse noon, that's why nauso Ziebart at Tuff-cote Dinol. Among the Jap cars, pinaka mahina suspension noon ay Nissan. Mura cars nila pero mahal parts at PMS. Kaya lang naman nasira reputation ng Korean cars dahil bago siya sa industria at maraming di suitable sa Philippine conditions. Like I said before,many lamang ng Japanese sa Koreans ay maliit lang. Sa diesel cars, malayo lamang ng Koreans sa hapon.

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    #186
    Quote Originally Posted by jaggerx3 View Post
    Typical Korean car haters. Haha
    Alam niyo nasa owner din kasi yan. Kung di ka maalaga sa maintenance mabilis talaga mabulok yang sasakyan mo and maraming breakdowns. Kahit pa Toyota o Honda yan kung neglected ang alaga diyan di tatagal yan
    pansin ko hater nga...new hyundais look so good except the sonata... genesis and santafe and tucson 😍😍

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    #187
    Quote Originally Posted by StockEngine View Post
    pansin ko hater nga...new hyundais look so good except the sonata... genesis and santafe and tucson 😍😍
    no love for veloster bro?

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    #188
    Quote Originally Posted by ninjababez View Post
    no love for veloster bro?
    not really...2016 ford focus rs instead.

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    #189
    Another thing. Alam naman natin lahat kung gaano kabagal ang D4D ng Toyota compared sa CRDis ng Hyundai. Everytime na nag oovertake ako sa SCTEX or NLEX sa Fortuner or Montero, biglang hahabol din. Ganon ba talaga nakaka offend kapag na overtakan ang favorite nilang third world ASEAN made SUV ng family Van na made in Korea pa. Hehehehe
    Ang ayaw ko lang sa ibang Hyundai ngayon pare parehas itsura nila.

    Another thing yung issue na Tropicalized ng mga Pinoy kaya ayaw ng Hyundai kasi di daw suitablr sa climate natin. How come may mga Hyundai sa Middle East na mas mainit sa atin? Mga pinoy talaga daming arte

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaggerx3 View Post
    Another thing. Alam naman natin lahat kung gaano kabagal ang D4D ng Toyota compared sa CRDis ng Hyundai. Everytime na nag oovertake ako sa SCTEX or NLEX sa Fortuner or Montero, biglang hahabol din. Ganon ba talaga nakaka offend kapag na overtakan ang favorite nilang third world ASEAN made SUV ng family Van na made in Korea pa. Hehehehe
    Ang ayaw ko lang sa ibang Hyundai ngayon pare parehas itsura nila.

    Another thing yung issue na Tropicalized ng mga Pinoy kaya ayaw ng Hyundai kasi di daw suitablr sa climate natin. How come may mga Hyundai sa Middle East na mas mainit sa atin? Mga pinoy talaga daming arte
    mabagal ang D4d? ewan ko... it sure gets me there in acceptable comfort..
    if i wanted speed, i am sure i can find other models that can offer it..

    everyone knows the innova and fortuner are made-for-developing asia. hindi sila papasa sa US automotive requirements. hindi ko alam kung ano ang kaso sa mga hyundai na yan..

    kapag inunahan ako sa expressway, ay pinapabayaan ko na lang.. baka nagmamadali lang siya dahil...
    those who feel offended when they are overtaken.. they probably have an inferiority complex..
    we must not make the common mistake of confusing choice for in-ability.

    tropicalized? to me, it means scorching heat as well as monsoon deluge. i haven't heard of monsoon rains occuring regularly in the middle east..
    and i think, designing cars for hot, dry climates is easy. it is designing for hot and very wet climates, that is more difficult.

    and yes.. pinoys are ma-arte when it comes to spending their hard-earned money. they have to! many can not buy even one car in a lifetime..

    so how reliable is my japanese vehicle? i do not know.. but the last time i brought 'er in the casa for malfunction, was... never!
    i brought her only because the warranty was about to expire, 'way back in 2008.. sayang naman yung mga freebies then..
    and, aside from wear and tear like shocks and brake pads, i have not had her fixed yet for malfunction in any way, since.
    and my japanese car still looks very handsome, despite its 10 years. hindi mukhang losyang. and the only care it has received from me was the garage roof.
    so, have you a similar hyundai story, to match that type of reliability?

    do i hate korean cars? of couse not! what it do to me?
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    #191
    Quote Originally Posted by SkyFlakes88 View Post
    Didn't see it sir somebody from hyundai told me. The crdi technology was from porsche they bought the license to use it but builders of the engines were korean
    i read that also.. from somewhere.
    unfortunately, even if the design was german, the metallurgy was korean. so there!
    they will happily sell you the design, because you can eventually figure it out for yourself anyway, just by buying and dissecting one of their cars. but no one in his right mind will sell you his formula for manufacturing metal alloys... that is even topper secret than coca cola's formula..
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    #192
    Matrix CRDI - delivery, collection, personal; 10 years; 230+k km; Ondoy survivor
    Accent CRDI - delivery, collection; 6 years; 150+k km; Ondoy survivor
    Accent CRDI - delivery, collection; 5 years; 120+k km
    Accent CRDI - delivery collection, sales; 4 years; 100+k km
    Getz CRDI - delivery, collection, sales, personal; 8 years; Ondoy survivor; 120+k km when acquired by our medrep 3 years ago - driven by her son right now
    H100 - delivery, collection, transport; 3 years; 90+k km

    As long as you clean the EGR, replace the filters at proper interval and be religious in PMS, they can last for a very long period of time.

    To ensure transmission longevity especially on manuals, always make it a point to fill up with the proper gear oil. Casas tend to use SAE90 instead of 75w85 or 75w90. The former feels stiff and notchy especially on cold starts. The latter are smooth.

    For the issue of paint fading, I have to disagree with Korean cars being worse for the wear as time goes on. I think it also depends on the color and material of choice. My shimmer blue Matrix, blue Accents, orange and blue Getz, red gen1 Vios all get the "parang bago pa rin" impressions. I can't say the same for our silver steel and black Vios which look faded, the black ones especially if you take a closer look and feel the paint.

    Not a big fan of the H100 though. It's durable, efficient, refined and cleaner compared to our L300 but the body and seating capacity seems too big for its engine. I'd take her sister, the pushrod/timing gear Kia K2700 for our next purchase instead.

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    Matrix CRDI - delivery, collection, personal; 10 years; 230+k km; Ondoy survivor
    Accent CRDI - delivery, collection; 6 years; 150+k km; Ondoy survivor
    Accent CRDI - delivery, collection; 5 years; 120+k km
    Accent CRDI - delivery collection, sales; 4 years; 100+k km
    Getz CRDI - delivery, collection, sales, personal; 8 years; Ondoy survivor; 120+k km when acquired by our medrep 3 years ago - driven by her son right now
    H100 - delivery, collection, transport; 3 years; 90+k km

    As long as you clean the EGR, replace the filters at proper interval and be religious in PMS, they can last for a very long period of time.

    To ensure transmission longevity especially on manuals, always make it a point to fill up with the proper gear oil. Casas tend to use SAE90 instead of 75w85 or 75w90. The former feels stiff and notchy especially on cold starts. The latter are smooth.

    For the issue of paint fading, I have to disagree with Korean cars being worse for the wear as time goes on. I think it also depends on the color and material of choice. My shimmer blue Matrix, blue Accents, orange and blue Getz, red gen1 Vios all get the "parang bago pa rin" impressions. I can't say the same for our silver steel and black Vios which look faded, the black ones especially if you take a closer look and feel the paint.

    Not a big fan of the H100 though. It's durable, efficient, refined and cleaner compared to our L300 but the body and seating capacity seems too big for its engine. I'd take her sister, the pushrod/timing gear Kia K2700 for our next purchase instead.

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    #193
    I therefore conclude that Hyundai CRDI's are good for collection.:lolabove: (joke lang!)

    Seriously, Their engines are good even the non CRDI's. It's their under chassis parts and suspension that really need strengthening or maybe our roads are really that bad and they're not designed for it.

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    I therefore conclude that Hyundai CRDI's are good for collection.:lolabove: (joke lang!)

    Seriously, Their engines are good even the non CRDI's. It's their under chassis parts and suspension that really need strengthening or maybe our roads are really that bad and they're not designed for it.

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    #194
    Quote Originally Posted by willyfernando View Post
    I therefore conclude that Hyundai CRDI's are good for collection.:lolabove: (joke lang!)

    Seriously, Their engines are good even the non CRDI's. It's their under chassis parts and suspension that really need strengthening or maybe our roads are really that bad and they're not designed for it.

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    I therefore conclude that Hyundai CRDI's are good for collection.:lolabove: (joke lang!)

    Seriously, Their engines are good even the non CRDI's. It's their under chassis parts and suspension that really need strengthening or maybe our roads are really that bad and they're not designed for it.
    corollas and vios have bad suspensions too. even my colleague had a camry suspension issue.

    singling out a manufacturer without considering other manufacturer clearly is bias.

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    #195
    When it comes to Korean cars, the Japanese are way behind in their diesel engines. The suspension issue is something that has tainted the brand. This may have been an issue with the early Korean cars, let's see with the new ones. Most of the people who comment on the bad suspension issues most likely never owned one. Puro hearsay lang. I also heard a lot bout the bad pang ilalim of Korean cars but I still took the risk. Been happy ever since. Na lubak na ako ilang beses, humampas na sa humps etc... Pero wala namang major damage nangyari. Ni minor wala rin.

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    i used to have a 1996 diesel besta (kia was still independent from hyundai back then.). i had it for 8 years or so..
    matibay ang truck-like underchassis. engine was fine. but when my clutch needed fixin', i had the entire assembly replaced with japanese.. the result was the sweetest clutch i ever had.. even softer than some cars' ..
    but their rubber components "were below par". i thought they deteriorated faster than my japanese cars' ..

    but at that time, it was a godsend compared to the L300, which i thought was "unfit for adult human passage".. heh heh.

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    #197
    Quote Originally Posted by bloowolf View Post
    When it comes to Korean cars, the Japanese are way behind in their diesel engines.
    Way behind in terms of what? Japanese engines are more durable than Korean. Korean engines might have higher spec but they will not last as long as Japanese engines. Korean diesel engines just aren't made to be workhorses.

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    #198
    Quote Originally Posted by minicarph View Post
    When I see the first gen Tucson sa roads, how come yun body Mukang deteriorated. I compare it to the 3rd gen CRV and 3rd Gen RAV4 which had models 2007 up and iba talaga ang itsura pag nagluma
    pabaya cguro owner nyan.dapat mo makita mga 1st gen ng grupo tucson.ph & team hyundai phils.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walter View Post
    Way behind in terms of what? Japanese engines are more durable than Korean. Korean engines might have higher spec but they will not last as long as Japanese engines. Korean diesel engines just aren't made to be workhorses.
    Korean diesel engines are more refined than the Japanese ones. I didn't make this up, even Topgear saysmso. They are not made in Korea, but in some eastern European country.

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    #200
    Dito ko lang ata nabasa yan. Tried google but can't find any comparison.

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