Public Utility "Driver"

[nicolodeon]

I'm not defending anyone here kaya lang, while I do agree thay majority of PUV drivers are reckless, mayron din naman na mga private vehicle owners at mga drivers ng mga private vehicles na reckless.

IMO, wala sa class yan, sa estado mo sa buhay, kung nakapagtapos ka ng college or hindi, o kaya sa type (PUV vs. PV driver) - nasa disiplina sa katawan, personalidad, respeto sa kapwa motorista, consciousness sa mga pasahero at sa mga sasakyan sa paligid, awareness sa traffic laws at ang medyo naglalaho nga sa maraming mga motorista (PUV drivers man or private)....

...common sense.

[smooth]

IMO lang, ang solusyon: gawing swelduhan ang mga public utility drivers para hindi sila nagmamadaling kumuha ng pasahero.

[tsupermario]

^ imo kung gobyerno yung magpapa-sweldo, sayang ang tax..

[empy]

IMO lang, ang solusyon: gawing swelduhan ang mga public utility drivers para hindi sila nagmamadaling kumuha ng pasahero.

i had the same idea perusing this thread...how about outlawing the boundary system? the operators should pay the drivers a decent wage, require them to make a minimum amount of fares per day (para hindi magsine buong araw, herher), and enforce licensing requirements...would this work?

[architect]

Judging from the posts I guess a good number of us (which might be representative of society at large) are flat out exasperated with the rudeness, lack of discipline, aggressiveness, etc. of drivers today, private or PUV. Given the current political situation, anarchy in the streets appears to be just a tipping point away, if it isn't already happening.

For example: At the Wilson St - Ortigas Ave intersection in San Juan, San Juan-bound jeepneys in the service lane routinely make a U-turn back to the EDSA-bound lane cutting off all other lanes. What is worse, they do this regardless of whether the traffic light is green or red. As soon as they see an opening, they go, cutting off the cars in the other lanes or cars coming from Wilson going into the shopping center. What amazes me is that a lot of drivers (never mind the traffic enforcers) seem to accept this brazen display of extreme whatever you want to call it.

I personally do not want to live in such a place where near-chaos rules. But while I have learned to accept/tolerate "minor" acts of rudeness/lack of discipline in my daily driving, I sense the situation has been steadily worsening.

It is now not uncommon when you have already given way in traffic that the other party, instead of waving their hand in appreciation, gives you the finger instead. Where will this trend lead us?

Given the intelligence and passion displayed in this forum in various threads time and again, perhaps, we can force our collective minds to come up with innovative proposals to bring back discipline to our streets.

[RafRaf]

I'm not defending anyone here kaya lang, while I do agree thay majority of PUV drivers are reckless, mayron din naman na mga private vehicle owners at mga drivers ng mga private vehicles na reckless.

IMO, wala sa class yan, sa estado mo sa buhay, kung nakapagtapos ka ng college or hindi, o kaya sa type (PUV vs. PV driver) - nasa disiplina sa katawan, personalidad, respeto sa kapwa motorista, consciousness sa mga pasahero at sa mga sasakyan sa paligid, awareness sa traffic laws at ang medyo naglalaho nga sa maraming mga motorista (PUV drivers man or private)....

...common sense.

baka OT pero pagpasensiyahan niyo na po.

common sense... yesterday I was in makati ave going to turn left to line up for the entrance to park square 2. hindi pa umuusad ang mga naunang nag-left turn sa akin at nakaharang sila sa intersection. So hindi muna ako sumusugod kasi if I do I will be blocking 3 of 4 flows. 3 times na nag change yung lights pero hindi pa rin umusad yung pag-lilikuan ko. I felt I had to keep the intersection open for the other flows to keep moving. At meron naman marking sa daan na keep intersection open (yellow box with X). Binubusinahan na ako sa likod at yung iba ay inovertakan na ako at pinilit yung sasakyan nila sa intersection (kahit magkabara-bara na). Mga private vehicles na itong mga ito ha - cars, private AUV and CUVs.

ako ba ang walang common sense since mukhang yung mga nag-overtake all had the "common" idea/urge to force their way? Ako ba ang walang disciplina? It sure felt that way.

[trackers888]

baka OT pero pagpasensiyahan niyo na po.

common sense... yesterday I was in makati ave going to turn left to line up for the entrance to park square 2. hindi pa umuusad ang mga naunang nag-left turn sa akin at nakaharang sila sa intersection. So hindi muna ako sumusugod kasi if I do I will be blocking 3 of 4 flows. 3 times na nag change yung lights pero hindi pa rin umusad yung pag-lilikuan ko. I felt I had to keep the intersection open for the other flows to keep moving. At meron naman marking sa daan na keep intersection open (yellow box with X). Binubusinahan na ako sa likod at yung iba ay inovertakan na ako at pinilit yung sasakyan nila sa intersection (kahit magkabara-bara na). Mga private vehicles na itong mga ito ha - cars, private AUV and CUVs.

ako ba ang walang common sense since mukhang yung mga nag-overtake all had the "common" idea/urge to force their way? Ako ba ang walang disciplina? It sure felt that way.

See Boss RafRaf! nasa lugar ka na ng mga college graduate nyan! Hindi lang naman yan nangyayari sa lugar natin, kahit dito sa lugar ko ngayon, dami bwisit na di alalm kung saang planeta galing kung mag drive!

[Hanren]

....... Binubusinahan na ako sa likod at yung iba ay inovertakan na ako at pinilit yung sasakyan nila sa intersection (kahit magkabara-bara na). Mga private vehicles na itong mga ito ha - cars, private AUV and CUVs.

ako ba ang walang common sense since mukhang yung mga nag-overtake all had the "common" idea/urge to force their way? Ako ba ang walang disciplina? It sure felt that way.

Same thing happend to me last week. May pabilog na parking dito sa SM Baguio (alam niyo siguro ito pag andito kayo sa baguio) at since pabilog nga ang parking..mahirap pumuwesto. May isang nagmamadaling magparada at laging bumubusina na mit adventure. Cool lang muna ako. Nung naipwesto ko na oto ko lalong nagbusina at sinabihan ako na idikit ko pa sasakyan ko dun sa likod ng isa pang oto. Sabi ko naman 'di na po pwede di na ako makakalabas niyan sir' (halos 1 foot na nga lang distance namin dun sa isa)..lalo lang akong sinigawan at sinabing "umalis ka na lang diyan at ako ang paparada ng makita mo. Kasya pa isang sasakyan jan." Nagpintig ang tenga ko at pati bayaw ko bumaba na ng sasakyan. Nung nakita atang may kasama ako lumipat na siya sa ibang mapaparadahan na maluwag. Sa kamamadali niya, tinamaan niya sa harap yung honda city habang paatras siya. Deadma lang at alis na agad matapos sila mag usap ng guard. Kinausap ako nung guard pagkatapos at sinabing hindi talaga pwedeng mangyatri ang gusto nung mama. Considerasyon lang sana. Kahit ba manager siya ng SM o ano pa siya doon, hindi lahat ng lugar sa kanya. Medyo matanda na nga eh. Dapat alam niya basic courtesy. Sabi ko nga rin sa sarili ko ganitong pag uugali ang nag tri trigger ng 'road rage'. Marami pa man din akong nababalitaan na nagkakamatayan dahil lang sa parking...

[IMm29]

I'm not defending anyone here kaya lang, while I do agree thay majority of PUV drivers are reckless, mayron din naman na mga private vehicle owners at mga drivers ng mga private vehicles na reckless.

IMO, wala sa class yan, sa estado mo sa buhay, kung nakapagtapos ka ng college or hindi, o kaya sa type (PUV vs. PV driver) - nasa disiplina sa katawan, personalidad, respeto sa kapwa motorista, consciousness sa mga pasahero at sa mga sasakyan sa paligid, awareness sa traffic laws at ang medyo naglalaho nga sa maraming mga motorista (PUV drivers man or private)....

...common sense.

+1.

Wala talaga sa class or estado mo sa buhay, it's really a matter of self-discipline, which is, unfortunately, what many PUV drivers lack. And since, at their level, it's the boundary system that determines what they make and take home, it's survival of the fittest, no matter what.

This problem is just too deep, so getting to the root cause is much easier said than done. But then, if nothing can be done to reduce the problem, it will just keep on growing exponentially instead of incrementally.

I think enforcement is how to start. Gordon and what he did in SBMA was cited. It's a wonder how fellow Filipinos including yours truly, can abide by simple road rules while in SBMA and in Olongapo. I'm not saying Olongapo is free from such traffic problems, all I'm saying is there doesn't seem to be anarchy on the streets due to the proper implementation of the road rules. This is indeed a Herculean task, if it is to be on metrowide scale, but then don't leave it all to the MMDA. Make it the responsibility of the local officials to do it. Cite these local authorities if they can successfully implement it, and reprimand them if they can't. It's a matter of political will, which they can wield, if only they wanted to bad enough.

[mbeige]

The problem of the country is that it is product based and not labor based. Kung saan pa mahirap mabuhay, duon pa mababa yung kita mo for a large amount of labor work such as driving and manning a PUV.

Here in the US labor is very well paid, kaya mahirap ka makahanap dito ng mga taong hirap kumita unless TNT na under the table lang.

For example, if you do a certain amount of work, the customer only pays for your final product, not your effort. Anong kinita mo? Wala. Anong kinita ng kompanya? Yung cost ng product at your expense.

That flaw in the system is what drives people mad to get what they can dahil di sila nababayaran ng tama. They have to act that way dahil wala silang choice.

[OTEP]

Kapag naghigpit naman ang gobyerno (sa licensing, franchising, etc.) sasabihin lang nila na inaapi sila ng mga mayayaman.

[MaRTian00300]

Sa side ng PUV,

Sa araw-araw na maghapon pagmamaneho. me effect na siguro ang pag singhot ng maitim na usok.
Paghabol sa boundary. Kulang sa edukasyun.

Ang epekto, madami barumbado sa kalsada.

Sa side ng Private.

Ilan oras lang magmaneho sa maghapon. Walang boundary hinahabol. Sapat sa edukasyon

Epekto, me barumbado pa rin sa kalsada.

Kung papasowelduhin ng gobyerno, isa na naman way eto ng corruption. Madami butas/flaws makikita dito, dyan maabilidad ang mga pinoy.

For me ang solution is proper governance. Kung hindi sana naghihirap ang marami sa mga Pilipino dahil sa maraming corrupt na official, sana hindi ganuon kahirap para sa isang simpleng Pedro na PUJ driver ang buhay. Hindi sana sya nagkukumahog kitain ang mahal na boundary, makipagsiksikan pa para naman sa kanyang pamilya.

.

+1 ako dito.

Baka siguro dapat bawasan ang mga PUV, Me color coding ba sa PUV?

[architect]

See Boss RafRaf! nasa lugar ka na ng mga college graduate nyan! Hindi lang naman yan nangyayari sa lugar natin, kahit dito sa lugar ko ngayon, dami bwisit na di alalm kung saang planeta galing kung mag drive!

It all has to do with proxemics - how we perceive, define and use our space. As a rule, we Filipinos tend to define space by the physical boundaries that surround it. E.g., in some culture, it is perfectly acceptable to have bathrooms (inside bedrooms) without doors. The demarcation is merely implied. Local implementation of this is generally unacceptable even when privacy is effective. We still need to put an actual physical door that "says" this is the start of the bathroom.

Applying the same principle to local traffic, car lanes are not defined by the lane markings on the surface of the street but by actual physical objects - fences, sidewalks, and cars, regardless of whether these are moving or not. Thus, an adequate space between two cars stopped at an intersection is perceived as a lane that a driver can squeeze his car into, never mind if his car ends up traversing two lanes.

This is also the reason why local drivers maneuver the way they do. Classic case in point: we have a lot of streets where a left turn lane exists but a no left turn law has been implemented. Thus in principle, cars therefore are not supposed to occupy that lane. But drivers still do, and when the light goes green, they veer right to get into the adjacent lane in order to proceed straight. Now if the driver of the car to the right has no international driving experience, his naturally tendency will be to veer right as well. Why? Because the object that defines his lane - the car to his left - is moving towards him. So he veers to his right as well, allowing the offending car to move in and go straight. Unfortunately this typical reaction thus encourages such rude behavior.

It is the same thing principle with counter-flowing. If there is no dividing island and there are no oncoming cars, a lot of drivers perceive the open space as an available lane. But notice how counter-flowing cars generally try to cut back in once they see an oncoming car. That is because the perceived boundary – the oncoming car – is closing in. Notice how very few cars (even those with escorts) go counter-flow in streets divided by center islands.

MMDA Chair Fernando had the right idea about the controversial U-turns. The problem lies in the execution. He should have put in more physical concrete barriers (serving as boundaries) that prevent the cars from immediately cutting across the lanes after making the U-turn. The barriers would physically force the cars to go straight and merge into traffic.

He also had the right approach re the pink fences. But implementation was again half-done. If he had ensured that pedestrians can not board PUVs anywhere else except in designated areas then the PUVs will have no choice but to follow the restrictions.

[oldblue]

meron naman solusyon dyan eh, i-ban ang paggamit ng stainless/yero body/and matutulis na bakal na kala mo bakod sa mga jeepneys. dapat pinturado at hangga't maari same materials as cars.

tignan ko lang kung hindi nila iumang mga jeep nila, laki din gagastusin nila.

[IMm29]

Hmmm... I think that implied demarcation can work with a lot of things, and for a lot of different cultures, ours included, somehow. But i think it's just too dangerous for implied demarcation to be applied when it comes to driving. There are just too many things to pay attention to when driving, with cellphones still excluded at that, for one to still have to worry about implied demarcation. It's bad enough that we do not have standard lane sizes, or lanes that smoothly merge into other lanes down the road. It's more chaotic that a lot of motorists, private and public, choose to disregard any semblance of lanes we have here and straddle two.

Counterflowing should be outlawed, unless it is under strict supervision of traffic enforcerS. One enforcer is not enough to control big intersections, let alone if he plans to allow counterflowing for a certain interval.

About BF's U-turns, I don't think all of them are bad. I just think that a lot of them should not have been implemented or should have been better implemented. Having huge U-turn slots under flyovers at some Edsa intersections still allow motorists going straight to proceed without having to make drastic evasive manuevers. However, some slots, like Quezon Ave, should not have been done in the first place because of choke points in the vicinity due to PUVs loading/unloading indiscriminately in the middle of the street or motorists swerving all over the place, or due to a corner in the vicinity being quite tight.

The Pink fences, IMO, are really bothersome. They make tight roads even tighter. And they can be nudged by buses so that they are misaligned and take up even more private room. If BF really wanted the fences in place, he should've done what his fellow small but terrible opponent did, and cement the fences to the ground.

[FrankDrebin]

I'm not defending anyone here kaya lang, while I do agree thay majority of PUV drivers are reckless, mayron din naman na mga private vehicle owners at mga drivers ng mga private vehicles na reckless.

IMO, wala sa class yan, sa estado mo sa buhay, kung nakapagtapos ka ng college or hindi, o kaya sa type (PUV vs. PV driver) - nasa disiplina sa katawan, personalidad, respeto sa kapwa motorista, consciousness sa mga pasahero at sa mga sasakyan sa paligid, awareness sa traffic laws at ang medyo naglalaho nga sa maraming mga motorista (PUV drivers man or private)....

...common sense.

+ 1

I don't know but may mga posts dito na ang taas ng tingin nila sa sarili nila.

[architect]

Hmmm... I think that implied demarcation can work with a lot of things, and for a lot of different cultures, ours included, somehow. But i think it's just too dangerous for implied demarcation to be applied when it comes to driving. There are just too many things to pay attention to when driving, with cellphones still excluded at that, for one to still have to worry about implied demarcation. It's bad enough that we do not have standard lane sizes, or lanes that smoothly merge into other lanes down the road. It's more chaotic that a lot of motorists, private and public, choose to disregard any semblance of lanes we have here and straddle two.

Actually for our culture, the demarcation has to be something very physical that actually prevents or curtails certain actions (e.g. center islands for counter-flowing, isolated bays for loading/unloading).

Counterflowing should be outlawed, unless it is under strict supervision of traffic enforcerS. One enforcer is not enough to control big intersections, let alone if he plans to allow counterflowing for a certain interval.

I would assume there is a law against it. Sadly, it is a question of implementation, as many posters have pointed out.

About BF's U-turns, I don't think all of them are bad. I just think that a lot of them should not have been implemented or should have been better implemented. Having huge U-turn slots under flyovers at some Edsa intersections still allow motorists going straight to proceed without having to make drastic evasive manuevers. However, some slots, like Quezon Ave, should not have been done in the first place because of choke points in the vicinity due to PUVs loading/unloading indiscriminately in the middle of the street or motorists swerving all over the place, or due to a corner in the vicinity being quite tight.

The Pink fences, IMO, are really bothersome. They make tight roads even tighter. And they can be nudged by buses so that they are misaligned and take up even more private room. If BF really wanted the fences in place, he should've done what his fellow small but terrible opponent did, and cement the fences to the ground.

Yup, again it boils down to proper implementation.

[IMm29]

Actually for our culture, the demarcation has to be something very physical that actually prevents or curtails certain actions (e.g. center islands for counter-flowing, isolated bays for loading/unloading).

Yep. Like you said previously, even center islands do not hinder counter-flowing. Tsk Tsk! And many times, when one vehicle starts it, everyone else follows. Argh!

I would assume there is a law against it. Sadly, it is a question of implementation, as many posters have pointed out.

Actually, there is a law against it. What I actually meant was for this law to be strictly enforced. I mean, it's not that difficult to notice, right? If enforcers can spot the last digit of your license plate from far out, then how much easier can it be for him to catch someone out of line, facing the opposite direction? Or is he on the take from these people, which is why he just turns a blind eye?

[oldblue]

main reason why a lot of private cars are counter-flowing, puv's are hanging sa inner lanes.

kaya umiinit ang ulo ng karamihan ng private cars, kasi traffic na cause ng mga puv's.

they're the cause of delay, slow progress, nervous breakdown, private of passenger cars, health risks sa lahat ng tao sa kalsada.

sundays are the best time to drive. why? konti lang ang PUV's na pumapasada.

yun mga bmw's, benz, fords, chevy's cars, hindi ito dinesign with PUV- caused stop-swerve-and-go driving in mind. kaya pumapapalpak mga ganitong type of cars d2 eh.

how I wish the Philippines can move on without or with controlled PUVs.
and join the rest of the natural world.

[smooth]

sa mga dumadaan sa makati near the makati-manila border (eg, sta.ana race track at sa may pasong tamo near shopwise), may mga public tricycles na ang namamasada e nakasuot ng uniform ng traffic enforcers ng MAPSA (yung yellow). naknampating! e sinong manghuhuli sa mga kalintikan niyan sa pagmamaneho kung sila na mismo ang traffic enforcers?

nagbabayad ba ang mga traffic enforcers ng pamasahe kapag sumasakay ng PUJ? isang beses ay may sinusundan akong PUJ na may nakasakay na apat na traffic enforcers. maya-maya lamang ay biglang tumigil sa gitna ng daan ang PUJ at nagsibabaan ang mga traffic enforcers. ulitin ko: sa gitna pa mismo ng intersection tumigil ang PUJ. siyempre this caused a whole lot of traffic sa intersection. pero may ginawa ba ang apat (APAT!) na traffic enforcers sa PUJ driver? wala. nag-saludohan pa ata ang mga kumag.