Remote bypass oil filtration

[dvldoc]

That's kinda disappointing for ACE, looks like they are selling a foreign brand using the Purolator name. All original filters will have country of origin printed on the filter period. If it does not have this it's not the real deal. The country of origin is a standard any major branded filter. Dang can't even depend on Ace hardware not to sell fakes.

But it could also be they are selling really old stocks. The old filters like Pre year 2000 did not have these crimps. And were prone to leaks.

[asher25]

That's kinda disappointing for ACE, looks like they are selling a foreign brand using the Purolator name. All original filters will have country of origin printed on the filter period. If it does not have this it's not the real deal. The country of origin is a standard any major branded filter. Dang can't even depend on Ace hardware not to sell fakes.

But it could also be they are selling really old stocks. The old filters like Pre year 2000 did not have these crimps. And were prone to leaks.

maybe its an old stock!!!! but you think it is good filter than vic? although it cheaper than vic..?

i check also in other auto supply its jsut the same as in acehardware ...sad to me cause i bought it last time at acehardware those filter have no crimps on the gasket and no country of origin printed on the side of filter only in the box...hehehehe....

[sirkosero]

based on the info in this thread,hopefully, better than vic.

hopefully its old stock but they began to sell purolators about a year ago. the box indicates made in prc but not on d actual filter

[kutangbato]

if i remember it correctly, the box indicated made in australia.

so dvldoc, this is somehow not as good anymore and maybe this one which ace is selling is on the level of vic or worse?

[Reepicheep]

That's kinda disappointing for ACE, looks like they are selling a foreign brand using the Purolator name. All original filters will have country of origin printed on the filter period. If it does not have this it's not the real deal. The country of origin is a standard any major branded filter. Dang can't even depend on Ace hardware not to sell fakes.

But it could also be they are selling really old stocks. The old filters like Pre year 2000 did not have these crimps. And were prone to leaks.

I was also looking around SM North Edsa's hardware section this morning, some Purolators don't indicate country of origin as well. But the smaller ones have them. Mixing fakes?

[edtf]

bro baka pwede pabile para sa 4jg2 natin?

sure Bro! pabili na rin talaga ako for the 4jg2 - gamit ko BD7160. Just PM me. I will try to go either this week or the next

[niwde11]

edtf; bro i think one of us(or both) have exceeded the number of PM. hehehhe. anyway pakibuy na lang oil filter para sa 4jg2 natin. pakiask na rin ng how much sa 1kzte if okay. afair, you know loud of 4x4ph since you are are rover fan. malapit lang ako sa kanya. i can get your number from him or you can get my number from him. txt txt na lang kung kelan ka tutuloy. tia.

[dvldoc]

Real Purolaotors have the crimps period. And a country of origin, . The crimps on the gasket are a standard feature all have this on oil filters it's to prevent the gasket from coming loose and leaking if it does not have it it's not the real deal. No country of origin stamped on the filter it's not a real Purolator. It should be at least on the box.

If they are cheaper than VIC and they don't have what they are supposed to on them I would avoid them. Real Purolators also have 3 languages on the front of them as well.

Even Purolators brands like Group 7 and Pro one look just like the regular ones.

[impulzz]

Thank you very much Sir DVLDOC. will compare the filters i saw at DIY shop witht photos you posted

The innova filter will work with the Vitara. As will a number of filters. But the Purolator L14477 or L10241, or Baldwin BT223 will work for you.

Remember real purolators are easy to spot, Always check for country of origin on filter then Real
Purolator filter have 8 medium-sized holes for the oil inlet or 7 oval holes and nothing but a black (or orange for the Pure One) diaphragm to be seen through them. There are 6 large crimps holding the gasket in place. Through the center outlet hole, you can see the spring for the bypass valve.

Part Number: L14477

Specifications: Anti-Drain Back Valve Yes Height 3.52 O.D. 2.69 Relief Valve P.S.I. 14-18 Thread Pitch UNF-2B Threads 3/4-16 Type of Filter Spin-on

Specifications: Anti-Drain Back Valve Yes Height 3.36 O.D. 2.98 Relief Valve P.S.I. 12-15 Thread Pitch UNF-2B Threads 3/4-16 Type of Filter Spin-on

[dvldoc]

Fakes are a huge problem mostly thanks to China, The number one counterfeit automotive part is Oil filters!

http://www.mann-hummel.com/mfcn/uplo...BNZE7pbyhk.pdf (Mann-hummel is owned by Purolator)

MAHLE | Counterfeit filters: It

Fake Toyota Parts Flood Market - ModernGhana.com Toyota has huge
http://www.toyota.com.sa/oilcf.pdf

Welcome to Toyota Makati, Inc. - VIOS INNOVA COROLLA ALTIS YARIS HILUX FORTUNER AVANZA PREVIA RAV 4 PRADO HIACE

http://cii.in/WebCMS/Upload/Mr.%20Anubhav%20Jain.pdf

MANN-FILTER CHINA > MANN-FILTER Anti-fake Identify

http://www.aftermarketsuppliers.org/...ember-2010.pdf

http://www.iccwbo.org/uploadedFiles/...e%20Assets.pdf

[crazy_boy]

Fakes are a huge problem mostly thanks to China, The number one counterfeit automotive part is Oil filters!

http://www.mann-hummel.com/mfcn/uplo...BNZE7pbyhk.pdf (Mann-hummel is owned by Purolator)

MAHLE | Counterfeit filters: It

Fake Toyota Parts Flood Market - ModernGhana.com Toyota has huge
http://www.toyota.com.sa/oilcf.pdf

Welcome to Toyota Makati, Inc. - VIOS INNOVA COROLLA ALTIS YARIS HILUX FORTUNER AVANZA PREVIA RAV 4 PRADO HIACE

http://cii.in/WebCMS/Upload/Mr.%20Anubhav%20Jain.pdf

MANN-FILTER CHINA > MANN-FILTER Anti-fake Identify

http://www.aftermarketsuppliers.org/...ember-2010.pdf

http://www.iccwbo.org/uploadedFiles/...e%20Assets.pdf

sir, how about Bosch filters? are there a lot of fakes in the market? also, here in the Philippines, Bosch filters are either from S.Korea or Indonesia. this made me think if it still has the same quality as compared to the German made filters.

[edtf]

edtf; bro i think one of us(or both) have exceeded the number of PM. hehehhe. anyway pakibuy na lang oil filter para sa 4jg2 natin. pakiask na rin ng how much sa 1kzte if okay. afair, you know loud of 4x4ph since you are are rover fan. malapit lang ako sa kanya. i can get your number from him or you can get my number from him. txt txt na lang kung kelan ka tutuloy. tia.

YUP I know loud I have been to his place a few times - yup filled din yung mail box mo hehehehe. Lets make the rains stop first hassle to go to that area when it is raining

[dvldoc]

sir, how about Bosch filters? are there a lot of fakes in the market? also, here in the Philippines, Bosch filters are either from S.Korea or Indonesia. this made me think if it still has the same quality as compared to the German made filters.

They should be of the same quality, Bosch is also a division of Purolator, they will also have those crimps on the gasket as well as country of origin on the filter.

Example of a fake Korean/China clone.. No crimps on the gasket and the China signature plastic at the bottom of the filter is a dead give away of a China knock off.

[dvldoc]

Ace hardware carries fake Purolators so look look out Tsikot members.

A fellow member sent me the photos of the filters he bought there to have me check to see if they were real or not. Well they are NOT!

Total fakes every one of them.

The oil filters are dead give always, The center tubes are spiral, Purloator uses a strait seam vs the spiral, No crimps in gaskets,





The center one also has the wrong colored label it would be blue and red clear sign it's a fake. Also not a valid Purolator part number. And it has a lip that is not painted. The other thing is Purolator does not even carry a filter that cross references this which is would fit a 4JX1-T Izusu or 4JJ1-TC engine. So they just made up a part number to cover it.

Example of China fake. Crimps are fake and not actually crimped to the gasket, Font is wrong, filter has a silver lip, language is wrong on the front, Nice try guys.


Real.



The end one has the wrong number of holes, no crimps and the dead give away of being a china fake with the plastic at the bottom of the filter. Only China filters have this and it's a dead giveaway every time.

Real


The fuel filter does not have the right stuff on it either it's missing the caution warning and does not come with two gaskets like it supposed to. The base is also all brass in color verses just 1 brass ring. The Purolator lable is also missing the trademark ®

Real


[SIZE=5]Note severe engine damage can occur by using fake filters.

[/SIZE][SIZE=5][SIZE=2]They probably don't even know what they are selling is not the real deal some greedy supply guy is just going with the China ones. [/SIZE]
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[crazy_boy]

They should be of the same quality, Bosch is also a division of Purolator, they will also have those crimps on the gasket as well as country of origin on the filter.

Example of a fake Korean/China clone.. No crimps on the gasket and the China signature plastic at the bottom of the filter is a dead give away of a China knock off.

As far as i remember, the ones i bought from Warren doesnt have country of origin in the filter, but it has on the box. As for the platic, it looks kinda the same as the picture above. I will take pictures tom and post it here.

[crazy_boy]

this is the filter that i got from one of the Bosch disto..












if you noticed, there's no crimp in the gaskets..

are these real

[dvldoc]

Honestly with the Bosch it's hard to say, since they chop out work to other countries, Purolators at least have a standard build quality, All the Bosch, US, Mexico and German filters look basically the same and come in the same style box and have the crimps on the filters.

The Malaysian ones look about the same, The big thing is there part numbers don't cross with the US and other area Bosch filters.

The only good way would be to cut one open and see if it's up to par. Bosch is a lower to mid level filter to begin with but the media and parts on the inside should be about the same no matter where they are made. But the plastic on the bottom of the filter is not something that comes on anything other than something that comes out of China.

Looks more like they distribute and not produce these because the Malasian ones look identical right down to the plastic on the bottom of the filter, there is also no actual Bosch plant in South Korea it's Mann-Hummel, MANN+HUMMEL KOREA LIMITED is founded in Seoul, Korea.. There was a Merger between MANN+HUMMEL Dongwoo and MANN+HUMMEL Korea, Incorporation of MANN+HUMMEL (CHINA) CO. LTD. Which could explain the China style of the filters so to check the quality you would have to crack one open.

These filters could just be a result of cheaper labor from China but they do not appear to be the same quality of U.S and German Bosch filters so any filter rating of Bosch filters probably do not apply to these as they are not made to the same standards. Even the simple stuff like a new o-ring for your fuel filter.

I can also tell that fuel filter does not have spiral wrapped or stacked disk filter element just by looking at because you can see the filter media which just looks like pleted media like a oil filter just the other direction. Or tight wound filter media like a OEM filter or other filters like that style filter should.


Malaysian filter (note there is no Bosch facility in Malaysia that produces oil filters)

[crazy_boy]

Honestly with the Bosch it's hard to say, since they chop out work to other countries, Purolators at least have a standard build quality, All the Bosch, US, Mexico and German filters look basically the same and come in the same style box and have the crimps on the filters.

The Malaysian ones look about the same, The big thing is there part numbers don't cross with the US and other area Bosch filters.

The only good way would be to cut one open and see if it's up to par. Bosch is a lower to mid level filter to begin with but the media and parts on the inside should be about the same no matter where they are made. But the plastic on the bottom of the filter is not something that comes on anything other than something that comes out of China.

Looks more like they distribute and not produce these because the Malasian ones look identical right down to the plastic on the bottom of the filter, there is also no actual Bosch plant in South Korea it's Mann-Hummel, MANN+HUMMEL KOREA LIMITED is founded in Seoul, Korea.. There was a Merger between MANN+HUMMEL Dongwoo and MANN+HUMMEL Korea, Incorporation of MANN+HUMMEL (CHINA) CO. LTD. Which could explain the China style of the filters so to check the quality you would have to crack one open.

These filters could just be a result of cheaper labor from China but they do not appear to be the same quality of U.S and German Bosch filters so any filter rating of Bosch filters probably do not apply to these as they are not made to the same standards. Even the simple stuff like a new o-ring for your fuel filter.

I can also tell that fuel filter does not have spiral wrapped or stacked disk filter element just by looking at because you can see the filter media which just looks like pleted media like a oil filter just the other direction. Or tight wound filter media like a OEM filter or other filters like that style filter should.


Malaysian filter (note there is no Bosch facility in Malaysia that produces oil filters)

its very difficult nga. i just hope that i got the real deal since i went directly to the Bosch distributor in binondo.

[dvldoc]

Your pretty safe going to official dealers, better them then small shops when trying to get the real deal. But then again we all know how things are.

This is listed Bosch official dealer in the Philippines. I would contact them for official distributers.

http://www.bosch.com.ph/content/lang...html/index.htm
http://www.bosch.com.ph/content/language1/html/867.htm

Bosch Automotive Division Michael Tengonciang, Jr. - Marketing Manager
Robert Bosch Inc.
28th Floor Fort Legend Towers 3rd Avenue corner 31st Street Bonifacio Global City 1634 Taguig City Philippines
By telephone: + 63 2 870-3888 extn. 3861
By fax: + 63 2 870-3850
By email: michael.tengonciang*ph.bosch.com

[sirkosero]

ive decided to buy an original toyota oil filter for my ride. bought it from the casa. might not have the best filtration out there but should be better than fake purolator, vic, or bosch. i will keep an eye out for orig purolators though and but in bulk if i find some hehe