Remote bypass oil filtration

[chookchakchenes]

12vdc,

Ganyan dapat ang mga reply complete at detalyado. Medyo lumilinaw na sa akin. So ang importante pala yung capacity ng oil filter.

Pag kinumpara ko kasi b-179 mas malapad ng konti pero ang b1431 talagang mahaba. Advantage ang b1431 sa overall laki pero sa microfiltration rating mas pino b179.

Nag-email ako ulit sa baldwinfilters.

Every filter has a nominal and absolute micron filtration rating. The nominal rating will always be 50% efficient and the absolute rating will always be 98.75% efficient. For example, the B161-S is 18 nominal and 40 absolute meaning it will filter out 50% of the particles that are 5 microns and larger and will filter 98.75% of the particles that are 40 microns and larger. The smaller the micron number, the more it filters. At this time we do not have this information on our website. We are hoping to have it eventually, but do not have a time frame of when this will happen.

[chookchakchenes]

Nacheck ko sa baldwin pinakamalaki filter pwede sa honda. Magfit sa thread kaso ang haba. Mga 5inches. May nakatry na?




B199

Descriptions: Full-Flow Lube Spin-on
Contains: Anti-Drainback Valve
8 PSID By-Pass Valve
Fits: Ford, Mercury Automotive
Replaces: Ford D2PJ-6714-AA
Thread: M20 x 1.5
O.D.: 3 (76.2)
Length: 5 1/8 (130.2)
I. Gskt.: G449-B
UPC: 791440002524

[johnjoseph]

Sa Baldwin catalogue, makita mo halos lahat ng filters that will fit your engine, nasa step 1 ka pa lang niyan ng paghahanap, next is you have to look for local suppliers para malaman kung available locally or you may opt to source out sa online suppliers para malaman naman ang price comparisons. Tedious process for first time converts to Baldwin oil filters but well compensated pag nakita mo na finally.

[chookchakchenes]

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Nung una bili ko natulog ako katabi one dozen oil filter. Yung iba wala sa pinas ipapadala ko from asia and america.

Bakit sa baldwin may nakalagay na full-flow tapos yung iba lube spin on lang. (Other term lang ba sa bypass filter yung lube spin on?)

Edit: Nabasa ko sa backread ang sagot.

Question by number001
Silly question: Does " Lube Spin-on " and " Full-Flow Lube Spin-on " mean the same thing ?

Answered by dvldoc
Same thing. The only time it won't be a full flow is if it says dual flow or bypass.

[12vdc]

Nacheck ko sa baldwin pinakamalaki filter pwede sa honda. Magfit sa thread kaso ang haba. Mga 5inches. May nakatry na?

Try mo all filters then do cross-section analysis or better yet oil analysis. The idea is, the larger the filter surface area, the better filtration.

Malalaman mo yan kung bubuksan ang filters, then measure and compare the filter surface area. Pero usually, kung malaki sya sa panlabas(housing) malaki ang possibilidad na malaki din ang laman na filter element sa loob.

Another point to consider. Multi-pass filter such as lube and singlepass like air filter performs the same principle in terms of plugging.

Ang ibig sabihin, habang nababarahan ang filter mo mas gumaganda ang filtration dahil lumiliit lalo ang clearance ng filter element.

Kaya in principle, ok lang magextend ng oil-use up to recommended, depende sa quality ng oil to maintain TBN. Wagmo lang pabayaan to the point na restricted na ang oil flow(again, depends on filter quality). Kaya yung ibang HD engines nilalagyan ng oil pressure monitor sa filter para malaman kung "change-filter" time na. Ang dahilan kung bakit every change oil ay sabay palit ng filter, dahil yung new oil ay may detergent na lulusaw sa dumi na trapped sa filter element at muling babalik sa lubrication loop ang dumi. Yung practice naman sa casa na extended oil change, oil-filter lang ang pinapalitan in the middle of the interval period. Ok lang ang practice na ito, pero kung iisipin, aksaya lang kung kaya pa naman ng filter at oil.

Yung air filter naman, kapag madumi na o may cake ng alikabok, mas efficient ang filtration. Pwede re-use ang air filter sa ganitong sitwasyon pagkatapos linisin using vacuum cleaner. Hindi recommmended na sinusumpit ng compressed air ang air filter dahil nasisira ang element at nababawasan ang effficency. Sa fleet operators yung iba gumagamit ng "filter minder"- air vacuum monitor, para malaman kung "change-filter" time na, to maximize the life of filter(same principle with oil pressure monitor). Kung city drive at carbon soot na medyo malangis ang babara sa air filter mo, no choice ka kundi palit dahil ang langis kapag bumara ay walang makakadaloy na hangin.

[12vdc]

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Nung una bili ko natulog ako katabi one dozen oil filter. Yung iba wala sa pinas ipapadala ko from asia and america.

Bakit sa baldwin may nakalagay na full-flow tapos yung iba lube spin on lang. (Other term lang ba sa bypass filter yung lube spin on?)

Edit: Nabasa ko sa backread ang sagot.

Question by number001
Silly question: Does " Lube Spin-on " and " Full-Flow Lube Spin-on " mean the same thing ?

Answered by dvldoc
Same thing. The only time it won't be a full flow is if it says dual flow or bypass.

Full-flow = inlet - filter element - outlet
Dual flow = inlet - orfice - filter1 - filter2 - outlet. May sanga inside the filter. May maliit na orfice to divert some oil going to the bypass filter. Yung oil na dumadaloy sa bypass filter ay "low pressure". Take note again, kung mabagal ang flow ng fluid mas efficient ang filtration. Yung page 1 ng thread na ito kung mapapansin mo may sanga yung filter adapter going to the bypass filter, yun yung low pressure. Sa dual-flow/ bypass filter, built-in sa filter canister ang mechanism na ito. Ang spin-on ibig sabihin you have to spin the filter to the filter adapter. Meron kasing filter na cartridge-type walang canister, element ang isasalpak mo sa makina.

[Wh1stl3r]

What I'd like to see is something (a sensor maybe) that will tell you when the filter is clogged. Is there such a thing? The bypass on these filters are all just a rubber flap and there is no proviso that tells you when it is in bypass mode already due to clogging. Sure we can change it early but nothing will tell you if it is already clogged even at just say 3,000 kms.

[Ry_Tower]

What I'd like to see is something (a sensor maybe) that will tell you when the filter is clogged. Is there such a thing? The bypass on these filters are all just a rubber flap and there is no proviso that tells you when it is in bypass mode already due to clogging. Sure we can change it early but nothing will tell you if it is already clogged even at just say 3,000 kms.

Sa mga new engines may gnyang nanag technology eh, ewan lang kung may aftermarket accessory na puwede ilagay dun sa oil filter before putting the oil filter itself that could do such a thing. My guess is kaya naman but it maight be expensive kaya walang gumagawa. Ang dali kasi na 5,000kms or every 6 months na lang ang basehan

[12vdc]

Doable naman yan tulad nung nilalagay sa jeep na oil pressure gauge or tulad ng FASS.



Sana yung test strip for oil na lang to measure viscosity,TBN, and wear metals. Parang pregnancy test strip lang.

[chookchakchenes]

Saan talyer alam ganyan setup or ano bilhin ko para magawa yan.

[12vdc]

IDK exactly where, maybe sa performance shops like speedlab, berrima, or online. Try to ask around sa talyer ng makina, ang alamko yung pressure gauge may copper tube fittings going to the dash. Kung yang setup sa pic, its the same principle as re-locating the OE filter like what's described on the 1st page ng thread na ito.

You will be needing spin-on adapter, filter adapter, npt fittings, hydraulic hoses, and the gauge. For the gauge, you have to drill before the inlet of the filter at doon mo ilagay yung gauge to measure resistance sa filter element.

If you're serious enough, get the spin-on adapter first at yan ang wala dito panigurado, maliban na lang kung kaya ng mekaniko mo retrofit pipings like the oil cooler. The rest, meron sa hydraulic shops at heavy equipment supplies.

[Wh1stl3r]

Sa mga new engines may gnyang nanag technology eh, ewan lang kung may aftermarket accessory na puwede ilagay dun sa oil filter before putting the oil filter itself that could do such a thing. My guess is kaya naman but it maight be expensive kaya walang gumagawa. Ang dali kasi na 5,000kms or every 6 months na lang ang basehan

Peroperopero... Pano naman yung mga weird na pareho ko na kelangan ng ganun? Mas excited pa ako sa UOA results kesa GTA 5

Doc, ok yung idea mo re: test strip hehe. Although realistically TAN lang siguro kaya i-test ng ganun

[Flipo]

Doable naman yan tulad nung nilalagay sa jeep na oil pressure gauge or tulad ng FASS.



Sana yung test strip for oil na lang to measure viscosity,TBN, and wear metals. Parang pregnancy test strip lang.

All it really need is a differential pressure switch / gauge across the filter which tells the pressure drop across the filter, or if it is high tech would be a diff. press. transmitter or transducer with a digital read out to be used as input to a computer.

[Rocko24]

What I'd like to see is something (a sensor maybe) that will tell you when the filter is clogged. Is there such a thing? The bypass on these filters are all just a rubber flap and there is no proviso that tells you when it is in bypass mode already due to clogging. Sure we can change it early but nothing will tell you if it is already clogged even at just say 3,000 kms.

There are filter heads with indicators that tell you when the pressure drop between the inlet and outlet is beyond a certain limit.
I don't know if these are available for small filters though. I have only seen them for big hydraulic filters.

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[number001]

I checked one of my used OEM oil filter from Honda and it says MAHLE Siam. Made in Thailand.

[Wh1stl3r]

There are filter heads with indicators that tell you when the pressure drop between the inlet and outlet is beyond a certain limit.
I don't know if these are available for small filters though. I have only seen them for big hydraulic filters.

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Nice. May I ask what brand this is? Worth a look.

[jmpet626]

Next oil change ko sa Jazz and Rav4, I will crack open RP Filters... Any advise kung paano siya i open?

[s10pao]

Next oil change ko sa Jazz and Rav4, I will crack open RP Filters... Any advise kung paano siya i open?

lagariin mo?

[number001]

Next oil change ko sa Jazz and Rav4, I will crack open RP Filters... Any advise kung paano siya i open?

Use a saw if you don't want to ruin the inside. Use an electronic grinder for quicker and less effort cuts but do so with caution since it could damage the filter inside.

A vise is to grip and hold down the filter while you cut.

[12vdc]

There is a specific tool for opening oil filter canister but you can use:

Hacksaw
Pipe cutter
Metal scissors
Cutting disk using electric/pneumatic Rotary tool/ die grinder like dremel, B&D RTXB, makita gd series, IR3000series.
Band saw
Lathe

Cutting disk and sawing leaves lots of metal-dust residue, better use this with dust extraction tool or paint brush.

I'm using 5" pipe cutter for cleaner cuts.