Mineral , semi synthetic or fully synthetic?

[red_one]

Iniisip ko ano market ng group iv or group v "designer oil"

Kasi kung kaya achieve ng cheaper ci-4/sL ang 10,000kms to 12,000kms eh ano pa purpose nung dalawang super expensive group oil.

API SL na Mineral oil, change every 5,000 km or 6 months.

[chookchakchenes]

API SL na Mineral oil, change every 5,000 km or 6 months.

Wrong.

Ang ci-4/sL eh good for 10.000kms. Example zic 5000 power, zic up, delo gold ultra ...etc

Magback read ka dito sa mga post ng the great dvldoc or punta ka bob is the oil guy forum.

Pag ang basehan mo ng oil change interval eh sa mineral, semi-synthetic and fully-synthetic eh that is so 1990s. Bobolahin ka ng mga mechanico at nagtitinda ng engine oil. API rating at MSDS ang basehan ngayon.

[burnik]

In general pwede API SN.

Pero kung titingnan car manual ng altis eh API SL ang nakalagay so mas maganda gumamit ng ci-4/sL oil dahil mas maganda sa makina at pwede paabutin ng 10,000kms. Ang API SN hanggang 5,000 to 7,500 kms ko lang papaabutin.

Ang 2011 altis eh same engine sa mga previous generation altis.

thank you sir.

[red_one]

Wrong.

Ang ci-4/sL eh good for 10.000kms. Example zic 5000 power, zic up, delo gold ultra ...etc

Magback read ka dito sa mga post ng the great dvldoc or punta ka bob is the oil guy forum.

Pag ang basehan mo ng oil change interval eh sa mineral, semi-synthetic and fully-synthetic eh that is so 1990s. Bobolahin ka ng mga mechanico at nagtitinda ng engine oil. API rating at MSDS ang basehan ngayon.

okay, can you suggest CI-4/SL Mineral oil for Gas engine good for 10,000 km?

[chookchakchenes]

okay, can you suggest CI-4/SL Mineral oil for Gas engine good for 10,000 km?

Any multi-fleet engine oil. Yun nga lang majority are 15w40 viscosity kaya sluggish / dragging effect sa gasoline engine.

Zic pa lang alam ko may 10w30 , 10w40 na ci-4/sL. But im hoping maglabas other brands ng ganyan viscosity.


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Ito yung post dati ni dvldoc.

And to just add a few more points.

Just wanted to show how the Timken test is actually done. Here's a couple of vids of a product call ZDDP MAXX TREATS 5 QUARTS OF OIL AT OVER 1800 PPM PHOSPHORS AND 2500 PPM ZINC. It's not magic just Zinc and Phosporus you really don't need 2500ppm zinc and if you have a 3 stage cat on a newer vehicle you don't want that much because your converters life will be shortened by about 25%. In a gas engine 1100ppm to 1200ppm is what you want. But you will get the point with the videos.


Timken test of Exxon 5w30 conventional oil no additives.MOD - YouTube


with added ZZDP and Phos.

Timken test of Exxon 5w30 conventional oil with ZDDP MAXX oil aditive.MOD - YouTube


But with the availability of oils with the CI-4/SL ratings in the Philippines you don't need it. This is just to show the differnce between oils with less than 900ppm zinc vs ones with over 1200ppm. SM oils can have as low as 650ppm zinc (yikes). If you have a classic muscle car you'll wreck your engine with modern oil due to there flat flat tapper lifters. If you vehicle is older than 1996 without roller lifters newer oils like SM,SL, SN will wreck flat tapper lifters and cams.

Engines with flat-tappet cams have extremely high pressure loading at the contact point between the lifter crown and the cam lobe. Even stock passenger cars can see pressure in excess of 200,000 psi at the point of flat-tappet/camlobe contact." To prevent excess wear, traditional motor oil included generous dose of antiwear additives, primarily zinc dialkyldithiophosphate (ZDDP). "The chemistry is such that the additive is a combination of zinc and phosphorous this has been loss due to new the newer API rated oils especially in larger countries. But regulations have killed this off with the new SM, SL, oils.

Basically if your vehicle or equipment such as farm equiempent or generator set does not have roller lifters and your using SM/SL/SN your not getting the proper protection. You need u need at least CH-4/SL or CI-4/SL or full fledged diesel oil.

API rating is more important than brand name or synthetic, Semi synthetic vs Dino. Most CH-4/SL or CI-4/SL Dino oils will give more protection than a Full synthetic SM oil.

Maganda ulitin yung sinabi ni dvldoc

"API rating is more important than brand name or synthetic, Semi synthetic vs Dino. Most CH-4/SL or CI-4/SL Dino oils will give more protection than a Full synthetic SM oil."

[baludoy]

Zic pa lang alam ko may 10w30 , 10w40 na ci-4/sL. But im hoping maglabas other brands ng ganyan viscosity.

iyong top 1 meron din ata ako nakita. ito siya kung di ako nagkakamali:
TOP 1 HD Plus Diesel Engine Oil ? CRDi « Top 1 Oil
mas mahal lang nga siya sa gamit ko ngayon na zic 5000 power

[leinahtan]

iyong top 1 meron din ata ako nakita. ito siya kung di ako nagkakamali:
TOP 1 HD Plus Diesel Engine Oil ? CRDi « Top 1 Oil
mas mahal lang nga siya sa gamit ko ngayon na zic 5000 power

Yup. Meron nyan available at 'The DIY Shop' hardware. Yan gamit ko ngayon sa monty.

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[baludoy]

Yup. Meron nyan available at 'The DIY Shop' hardware. Yan gamit ko ngayon sa monty.

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baka iyan din next gamitin ko sa monty kaso lang may sobra pa ako ng 1+ liters sa zic 5000 power.

ilan liters nagamit mong hd plus diesel bro? kasi iyong sa top 1 sdo parang 7 cans ata nagamit ko dati kung 'di ako nagkakamali

[leinahtan]

baka iyan din next gamitin ko sa monty kaso lang may sobra pa ako ng 1+ liters sa zic 5000 power.

ilan liters nagamit mong hd plus diesel bro? kasi iyong sa top 1 sdo parang 7 cans ata nagamit ko dati kung 'di ako nagkakamali

Sinakto ko 6.4 liters (paired with baldwin bd28) so may pocket pa akong 0.6 liters. Next purchase 6 liters na lang. But the following morning before using, I checked the oil dipstick, sobra ito sa full, so binawasan ko. I presume yung old oil residue mix up kaya may excess. Kung minsan pag may sobra ginagamit ko na lang pang lubricate sa gates' pillow block hinges.

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[chookchakchenes]

Isa pa advice pa ni dvldoc and sa bob is the oil guy and sa experience ko din.

Pag nalaman nyo na kung saan hiyang engine oil kotse eh maintain nyo na. Kasi kung every oil change palipat-lipat eh mataas probabilty hindi consistent performance like maingay engine, sluggish.... Lipat lang kayo pag malaki matitipid sa gusto itry na oil.

[bugoys]

My experience with Top1 HD 10w-30, is not that good. Probably in a scale of 1-5, i'll give it a 2.5-2.9. According to my father, parang magasapang daw ang takbo specially during idle. Will try Mobil Delvac 15w-40 next, actually wala pang 3000 kms ang takbo, gusto na papalitan ng father ko. That's how disappointed he is. Sana Mobil Delvac will be up to par or greater, if not sunod ko is Delo 400. Reasons I chose the Delvac over the 400 are the price (cheaper), availability (hirap maghanap ng 400, puro DGU/DG lang), and higher viscosity index of Delvac compared to 400 (apart from that basically its the same). Last choice is yung highly recommended na Zic oil, wala kasi ako nakikita na ganun sa mga auto supply.

I would still be using Bosch oil filter for Dmax. Sana talaga Delvac wont disappoint.

[Ry_Tower]

My experience with Top1 HD 10w-30, is not that good. Probably in a scale of 1-5, i'll give it a 2.5-2.9. According to my father, parang magasapang daw ang takbo specially during idle. Will try Mobil Delvac 15w-40 next, actually wala pang 3000 kms ang takbo, gusto na papalitan ng father ko. That's how disappointed he is. Sana Mobil Delvac will be up to par or greater, if not sunod ko is Delo 400. Reasons I chose the Delvac over the 400 are the price (cheaper), availability (hirap maghanap ng 400, puro DGU/DG lang), and higher viscosity index of Delvac compared to 400 (apart from that basically its the same). Last choice is yung highly recommended na Zic oil, wala kasi ako nakikita na ganun sa mga auto supply.

I would still be using Bosch oil filter for Dmax. Sana talaga Delvac wont disappoint.

Give delvac mx 15w40 at least 2 change-oils before making judgement. But in my experience okay na okay yan. I switched to Delo 400 lang kasi yung supplier namin eh wala Mobil na dala.

[bugoys]

Noted.

So if your supplier would carry Mobil, you'll switch back or stay at Delo 400?

Gusto ko sana tlga i try yung 400, kaso may kamahalan. Cheapest I saw was 288-290/ltr, this is from a Caltex station, forget about the auto supply, they seemed to stop ordering the 400 when DGU/DG was introduced. Sa Mobil Delvac, almost all auto supply near us has it, cost 230/ltr, availability is not a problem.

[chookchakchenes]

bugoy,

Before ano gamit nyo engine oil na masaya kayo sa performance? Pwede mo itry ulit yun kung babalik sa desired smoothness and idling. But if mahal yung dati mo gamit eh trial & error ka talaga hanggang malaman mo kung ano hiyang na engine oil sa dmax mo na mura price.

[Ry_Tower]

Noted.

So if your supplier would carry Mobil, you'll switch back or stay at Delo 400?

Gusto ko sana tlga i try yung 400, kaso may kamahalan. Cheapest I saw was 288-290/ltr, this is from a Caltex station, forget about the auto supply, they seemed to stop ordering the 400 when DGU/DG was introduced. Sa Mobil Delvac, almost all auto supply near us has it, cost 230/ltr, availability is not a problem.

I'll stick with Mobil Delvac.

[ronald_ramos]

222 lang ang delo 400 pero minimum ng 12 liters ang kukunin.

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[miko101130]

222 lang ang delo 400 pero minimum ng 12 liters ang kukunin.

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wholesale kasi sila sa evertek... mura pero by the dozen/box/pail/gallon

[ronald_ramos]

ako try ko dgu from 400 halos parehas ng specs e.

[number001]

This is for a 99 Civic VTi M/T with 48K kms actual mileage:

2010 - Honda 10W-30 mineral (w/ VIC filter)
2011 - Honda 10W-30 mineral (w/ blue Honda filter)
2012 - Delo Gold (yellow cap) w/ B1402
2013 - Mobil Delvac MX w/ B1402

Just wondering if its advisable to continue w/ Delvac MX which is API SL or better to switch to ZIC A API SN ?

Filter will be B1402 or B1431. Mileage per year is about 4K + kms only. coding car.

[chookchakchenes]

^
Sluggish yang 15w40. Sa experience ko sa zic A 10w40 SN matipid sa fuel mileage sa civic fd.

Pero sa civic vti hindi ko pa natry. Currently naka delo gold ultra ako dragging yung hatak.

Pwede mo din itry 10w30 ci-4/sL yung zic rv. Sa mga naka ford focus tdci owners gustong-gusto performance nyan.