Mineral , semi synthetic or fully synthetic?

[red_one]

^^2011 car? API SN ang hanapin mo. check your manual for viscosity rating.

[red_one]

got a reply from HI-TECH LUBRICANTS LTD. (Pakistan)..

ZIC A+ is fully synthetic engine oil which is produced by API Base oil classification group III and ZIC XQ is from group VI (PAO).

[jmpet626]

how much po yung zic XQ

[red_one]

from OLX seller:

ZIC A+ 5W-30, API SN, 4Liters = P1,690
ZIC XQ 5W-40, API SM, 4Liters = P2,040

[chookchakchenes]

^^2011 car? API SN ang hanapin mo. check your manual for viscosity rating.

In general pwede API SN.

Pero kung titingnan car manual ng altis eh API SL ang nakalagay so mas maganda gumamit ng ci-4/sL oil dahil mas maganda sa makina at pwede paabutin ng 10,000kms. Ang API SN hanggang 5,000 to 7,500 kms ko lang papaabutin.

Ang 2011 altis eh same engine sa mga previous generation altis.

[Ry_Tower]

got a reply from HI-TECH LUBRICANTS LTD. (Pakistan)..

In short, yung XQ ang totoong FS, semi-syn lang A+ kasi base III oil pa din eh. Only Group IV and PAO are considered true synthetics. Kita din naman nga sa presyo. hehe

[red_one]

kung ano nakasulat sa owner's manual, yun ang minimum na pwede gamitin. so if API SL ang nakasulat, you can use SL, SM, SN.. but not SJ or older. basta Fully Synthetic, pwede up to 10,000 km yan.

[red_one]

In short, yung XQ ang totoong FS, semi-syn lang A+ kasi base III oil pa din eh. Only Group IV and PAO are considered true synthetics. Kita din naman nga sa presyo. hehe

ang base III oil ba ay may halong mineral oil? ang sagot ng manufacturer for ZIC A+ is Fully Synthetic eh. pati yung OLX seller, ganun din ang sabi. so nakakalito.

[chookchakchenes]

kung ano nakasulat sa owner's manual, yun ang minimum na pwede gamitin. so if API SL ang nakasulat, you can use SL, SM, SN.. but not SJ or older. basta Fully Synthetic, pwede up to 10,000 km yan.

Pwede pero there are other cheaper options gaya nung sinabi ko ci-4/sL

A fully-synthetic ay 30 to 51% true synthetic lang.

Yung fully synthetic na sinabi mo zic a+ na nagkakahalaga ng 1,690 pesos

vs

700 to 800 pesos ci-4/sL semi-synthetic or mineral oil same 10,000kms.

Malaki ang difference.


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Pero kung kotse ay subaru na API SM na majority ang rating eh hindi na pwede gumamit ng ci-4/sL

Paalala din sa mga may old school na kotse flat tappet engine pa eh wag gagamit ng API SN rating. Katok to the heavens abutin ng makina nyo. Go to bob is the oil guy and LSI forums for information.

[red_one]

A fully-synthetic ay 30 to 51% true synthetic lang.

so ang ZIC XQ na Fully Synthetic ay 30-51% true synthetic lang?

700 to 800 pesos ci-4/sL semi-synthetic or mineral oil same 10,000kms.

ang alam ko at nababasa ko every 5,000km or 6 months ang inteval pag mineral oil. so pinapaabot mo pala ng 10,000km yung sa'yo?

[chookchakchenes]

Yung Zic XQ idouble check mo kung nakalagay talaga 100% synthetic.

Same with Zic A+. Yung zic new zealand website pag binasa mo sa likod ng zic A+ nakalagay 100% synthetic pero sa harap fully-synthetic.

Namamanipulate ang term na fully synthetic.

Kaya ang pinaka-accurate eh check API rating at MSDS.

[Ry_Tower]

ang base III oil ba ay may halong mineral oil? ang sagot ng manufacturer for ZIC A+ is Fully Synthetic eh. pati yung OLX seller, ganun din ang sabi. so nakakalito.

Yes, base III oil is still mineral based unlike true FS na man-made na base oil (Gropu IV and PAO). ero dahil very highly refined, kapag maganda other ingredients parang FS na performance hence they say synthetic. It behaves like a synthetic oil na din.

[red_one]

tama nga..

Other base stocks help semi-synthetic lubricant
API Group II- and API Group III-type base stocks help to formulate more economic-type semi-synthetic lubricants. API Group III base oils are sometimes considered Fully synthetic, but they are still classified as highest-top-level mineral-base stocks. A Synthetic or Synthesized material is one that is produced by combining or building individual units into a unified entry.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synthetic_oil

[miko101130]

Group IV base oils lang ang pwede sabhn na true synthetics, PAO base and Ester base...
group III are severe hydrocracked mineral oils, customized additive package to rival performance of true synthetics...

there is only one key factor that group III cannot compete with sa group IV and group V, resistance to heat breakdown...

more than 75% of asian countries still use group II engine oils...

group IV oils are double or even triple the price of a group III oil,

[chookchakchenes]

Iniisip ko ano market ng group iv or group v "designer oil"

Kasi kung kaya achieve ng cheaper ci-4/sL ang 10,000kms to 12,000kms eh ano pa purpose nung dalawang super expensive group oil.

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Swerte pa din yung mga kotse na sL rated pa like toyota, honda....

Subaru sM na kaya no choice gamit ka either sM/sN.

[miko101130]

found the best combo for my application and needs...

B2-HPG baldwin filter tapos DELO GOLD 400...

mas pino at tahimik sa delo 400 compared sa DGU... 30 pesos per liter lang price difference nila...

sa lahat na try ko ito pinaka nagustuhan ko ( zic rv/zic up/ DGU/delvac/rimula/bardahl)

[miko101130]

Iniisip ko ano market ng group iv or group v "designer oil"

Kasi kung kaya achieve ng cheaper ci-4/sL ang 10,000kms to 12,000kms eh ano pa purpose nung dalawang super expensive group oil.

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Swerte pa din yung mga kotse na sL rated pa like toyota, honda....

Subaru sM na kaya no choice gamit ka either sM/sN.

i think lucrative kasi yung market na ito... people who are misinformed or is easy to be persuaded by advertising or ad campaign.
companies can really sell high price products that most regular vehicles don't need nor will even have the need for such high performing oils given their normal driving applications.

group III oils are sufficient or even exceeds requirements for most locally available models of vehicles.

kung high performance at high tolerance ang engine design, which puts tremendous loads and stress sa oils, then true synthetics are the only option, kasi custom tailored ang molecules nila for those applications... regular driven vehicles won't even reach a constant 150 degrees or more heat absorption sa oils..

[chookchakchenes]

^
Yung mga mga bagong v6 v8 engine? Mga kotse na 350/370z, gt-r, rolls royce, audi.....at yung iba pa mga kalevel nyan?

[burnik]

^^2011 car? API SN ang hanapin mo. check your manual for viscosity rating.

thank you sir.

[ronald_ramos]

konti lang pala diff ng delo 400 at delo gold ultra.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zfx8jy6jlkw