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    #141
    Quote Originally Posted by victorevolution View Post
    yan mga reviews saglit lang naman nila na hawakan, try mo usual traffic sa edsa for a month or one traffic sa baguio pag december or even tagaytay na yung umaabot ng so hours and hours sa traffic na nagreklamo yung baboy na senador na natrap daw siya.

    di naman agad nagpakita ng problem yung fiesta and eco in what... few weeks

    Meron ka pa rin naman at least 5 years na warranty period.

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    #142
    They are coming in because the China Free Trade agreement is in effect already ...

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    #143
    Quote Originally Posted by oliver1013 View Post
    Sa totoo lang yung mga auto ngayon from china, sa presyo at sa warranty na bigay nila parang disposable na ang dating. If you use it for 5 years at may masira in the those years may warranty naman so mitigated kahit papano sakit ng ulo. Then sell it after warranty, get a new one. Parang appliance lang sa bahay.
    eto naman ang principle ng mass produced car all over the world. what makes all other brands not coming from china special and not to be considered as disposable? since they are able to export it to first world countries, it means they had met the required quality, environment and safety standard of that country.

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    #144
    Quote Originally Posted by minicarph View Post
    Ang problema dyan sa coolray , yes super ganda talag loob at labas, pang kuripot na millennial na ayaw bumile ng traditional na japanese car na expensive to spite the older generation. Thats okey if yan ang tibok ng puso, but tunog lata talaga yun sounds, as in chinese android tsblet na tinayo sa dash yun sound system,

    I mean we are in the age of wireless airpods na pagandahan ng sounds, tapos kotse mo parsng AM radio , something is wrong somewhere
    not really. the sound is good, but not great. but way better than most japanese cars coming from thailand. check again that the japanese cars you are referring to is not an upgraded sound system.

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    #145
    Quote Originally Posted by normanenoza View Post
    eto naman ang principle ng mass produced car all over the world. what makes all other brands not coming from china special and not to be considered as disposable? since they are able to export it to first world countries, it means they had met the required quality, environment and safety standard of that country.
    Filipinos have always been brand conscious. Back in the 70s, Japanese cars are considered crap and unreliable. 20 years later, the Koreans were also bad. Now, it's the Chinese. Come to think of it, they were able to turn things around.

    Look at us, we can't even make produce one at global standards. Malakas manglait kesyo made somewhere, low quality. Eh buti pa sila.

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    #146
    purchase price.
    warranty.
    mechanics, parts, and cost.
    reliability.

    probably in the correct order.
    heh heh.

    years back, some local manufacturers attempted to market cars that had higher-than-industry local content.
    will local buyers support such an attempt today, using their wallets?
    Last edited by dr. d; January 31st, 2020 at 10:17 AM.

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    #147
    Quote Originally Posted by Egan101 View Post
    Filipinos have always been brand conscious. Back in the 70s, Japanese cars are considered crap and unreliable. 20 years later, the Koreans were also bad. Now, it's the Chinese. Come to think of it, they were able to turn things around.

    Look at us, we can't even make produce one at global standards. Malakas manglait kesyo made somewhere, low quality. Eh buti pa sila.
    yes. were stuck with jeepney and tricycle with zero consideration for safety. and todo depensa pa that they are an icon. this could have been a Pinoy brand now. even Vietnam now have their own. may be one more or two generation for the Philippines to have its own car brand. but by that time, most of the world may be on electrical and autonomous driving already.

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    #148
    Quote Originally Posted by dr. d View Post
    purchase price.
    warranty.
    mechanics, parts, and cost.
    reliability.

    probably in the correct order.
    heh heh.

    years back, some local manufacturers attempted to market cars that had higher-than-industry local content.
    will local buyers support such an attempt today, using their wallets?
    The Philippines back in the 50s and 60s had a different mindset in terms of production. We only had to import equipment which we cannot produce locally.

    In the 70s, our economy shifted to something more export-oriented and we opened the country to a lot of imported products. It may have helped increase demand for our export products but on the negative side, it has killed our domestic capability to produce/develop products on our own.

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    #149
    the will to produce local, must be supported by the will to buy local.
    it's a vicious cycle.

    i'd buy local, if the quality were there.

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    #150
    Quote Originally Posted by Egan101 View Post
    The Philippines back in the 50s and 60s had a different mindset in terms of production. We only had to import equipment which we cannot produce locally.

    In the 70s, our economy shifted to something more export-oriented and we opened the country to a lot of imported products. It may have helped increase demand for our export products but on the negative side, it has killed our domestic capability to produce/develop products on our own.
    Government has really pushed manufacturing of practically anything locally here on a "large scale" out and has made us reliant on imports.

    What we export has been mainly "raw material" that is processed elsewhere. If it was processed here, manufactured here, then it could be exported elsewhere to earn "more", just takes more steps. But that 1 step to sell the raw material is the quick buck the government chose to focus on.

    Heck, we are an agri country with a rice research institute that can't be rice self sufficient. That really says a lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 17Sphynx17 View Post
    Government has really pushed manufacturing of practically anything locally here on a "large scale" out and has made us reliant on imports.

    What we export has been mainly "raw material" that is processed elsewhere. If it was processed here, manufactured here, then it could be exported elsewhere to earn "more", just takes more steps. But that 1 step to sell the raw material is the quick buck the government chose to focus on.

    Heck, we are an agri country with a rice research institute that can't be rice self sufficient. That really says a lot.
    "politics."
    "i want you to produce rice, but i do not want to pay your price."

    export raw material? import finished product?
    "colony."

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    #152
    Quote Originally Posted by 17Sphynx17 View Post

    Heck, we are an agri country with a rice research institute that can't be rice self sufficient. That really says a lot.
    It's funny how our ASEAN neighbours went to study at our rice institute back in the 70s and 80s. Now, we have to import rice from them.

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    #153
    For me, it's just not cheap enough to gamble on buying a problem.

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    #154
    Quote Originally Posted by Egan101 View Post
    It's funny how our ASEAN neighbours went to study at our rice institute back in the 70s and 80s. Now, we have to import rice from them.
    we also taught the thais how to diversify their plant industry.
    their products are now reigning king on our grocery shelves.

    some of uplb's scientists-teachers, are national hero status in other countries, for what they did in their agriculture industry.

    tayo...
    politics.

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    #155
    Quote Originally Posted by victorevolution View Post
    yan mga reviews saglit lang naman nila na hawakan, try mo usual traffic sa edsa for a month or one traffic sa baguio pag december or even tagaytay na yung umaabot ng so hours and hours sa traffic na nagreklamo yung baboy na senador na natrap daw siya.

    di naman agad nagpakita ng problem yung fiesta and eco in what... few weeks
    Not with wet type DCT. Otherwise its pointless to develop this wet type. On the MG dry type DCT, the shudder and jerk is evident on stop and go traffic, same with Kia dry type as well. And this traffic condition heats the clutches quickly on dry type DCT. Ford's DCT is no different. The cooling oil on the wet type DCT has three function, cooling, vibration damper and lubrication. Dig a bit deeper on the differences between dry and wet, and why wet is the better DCT design at the moment.

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    #156
    Quote Originally Posted by dr. d View Post
    purchase price.
    warranty.
    mechanics, parts, and cost.
    reliability.

    probably in the correct order.
    heh heh.

    years back, some local manufacturers attempted to market cars that had higher-than-industry local content.
    will local buyers support such an attempt today, using their wallets?
    Quality and reliability kaya naman ng Pinoy yan. The biggest hurdle is the higher labor cost in our manufacturing industry compared to our ASEAN neighbors and China.

    We have to face the fact that if we dont embrace electric vehicle technology, we will be relying on China built cars as first world car manufacturers focus on electric vehicles

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    #157
    Quote Originally Posted by normanenoza View Post
    Not with wet type DCT. Otherwise its pointless to develop this wet type. On the MG dry type DCT, the shudder and jerk is evident on stop and go traffic, same with Kia dry type as well. And this traffic condition heats the clutches quickly on dry type DCT. Ford's DCT is no different. The cooling oil on the wet type DCT has three function, cooling, vibration damper and lubrication. Dig a bit deeper on the differences between dry and wet, and why wet is the better DCT design at the moment.
    Don’t expect people to do research. Mas gusto nila marinig yung sabi-sabi ng iba.

    I have driven the Coolray in BGC traffic and the tranny is smoother than the dry-type DCT on my old Fiesta. It is even smoother than the CVT on my Mitsubishi ASX.


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    #158
    Huge topic in malaysia now. Regarding the new wet type dct...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Egan101 View Post
    Don’t expect people to do research. Mas gusto nila marinig yung sabi-sabi ng iba.

    I have driven the Coolray in BGC traffic and the tranny is smoother than the dry-type DCT on my old Fiesta. It is even smoother than the CVT on my Mitsubishi ASX.


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    #159
    Quote Originally Posted by Egan101 View Post
    Don’t expect people to do research. Mas gusto nila marinig yung sabi-sabi ng iba.

    I have driven the Coolray in BGC traffic and the tranny is smoother than the dry-type DCT on my old Fiesta. It is even smoother than the CVT on my Mitsubishi ASX.


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    Quote Originally Posted by papi smith View Post
    Yeah, FB research trumps Google [emoji75]
    Fb rabbit holes lol. But the number of auto shops on fb are growing which is a good thing for car guys.

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