Planning on getting an HID retrofit

**D3nb3r** · October 2nd, 2017 04:55 PM

Originally Posted by Sleepcare

Dinemo niya yung actual lens itself. Nilinisan muna niya from the boxes yung 2 sample lenses then pinahawak saakin yung lenses then sabi niya tumingin ako sa malayo thru the lenses, yung Class B na sinasabi niya totoo ngang malabo yung view as compared doon sa isa pang dinemo saakin na Class A. (Think of it as the glass na nabibili sa department store vs yung glasses na ginagamit sa carinderia for the service water.)

Nakakainis lang kasi nakalimutan ko na kung anong shop yung nagdemo saakin.

Ah ganun po ba. Sa projector lens kasi meron tinatawag na fresnel at clear lenses and sa pagkaka alam ko meron fresnel lens ang kioto q5. Mas intense output and sharp cut-off ang clear lens if compare sa fresnel. And if pinagtabi mo ang dalawang lens na yan malabo tignan ang fresnel.

**Sleepcare** · October 2nd, 2017 05:03 PM

Originally Posted by D3nb3r

Ah ganun po ba. Sa projector lens kasi meron tinatawag na fresnel at clear lenses and sa pagkaka alam ko meron fresnel lens ang kioto q5. Mas intense output and sharp cut-off ang clear lens if compare sa fresnel. And if pinagtabi mo ang dalawang lens na yan malabo tignan ang fresnel.

Fresnel pala yung term doon. Pero iba parin talaga yung quality boss for me nung kay Xenon.

Siguro nga yung sharp cut-off yung hinahanap ko na hindi ko makita sakanya.

For the record, hindi ko sinisiraan si Xenon ah.

Ok sa ok naman talaga siya gumawa especially for budget builds but siguro nga lang hindi lang umabot sa expected output ko yung work.

**zechs** · October 2nd, 2017 08:43 PM

It all depends sa budget, right? Siguro nga if you can spend up to 30K for a retrofit, then go. And you really should expect the best of the best when it comes to output and cutoff.

So far ako, satisfied naman ako sa sharpness ng cutoff ni xenon concepts. If I wanted something more then I should be willing to spend more which I am not haha as long as properly installed, aligned and output and cut off is good. Im okay with it.

And between the koito q5 projectors, ibat ibang china companies produces these q5 projectors. NHK is just one company who makes them. Ang hindi ko alam if NHK makes class A or class B na q5 projectors. Hehe

**hypnos** · October 2nd, 2017 10:28 PM

Originally Posted by Sleepcare

Fresnel pala yung term doon. Pero iba parin talaga yung quality boss for me nung kay Xenon.

Siguro nga yung sharp cut-off yung hinahanap ko na hindi ko makita sakanya.

For the record, hindi ko sinisiraan si Xenon ah.

Ok sa ok naman talaga siya gumawa especially for budget builds but siguro nga lang hindi lang umabot sa expected output ko yung work.

Sir i would like to be enlightened. You mean to say for NHK for example, there is a class A q5 and a class B q5? Isnt NHK in itself considered class A already?

**mousemouse** · October 2nd, 2017 10:59 PM

If you back read a bit someone who tried Xenon Concepts mentioned that they used NHK ballasts and bulbs, while someone else posted that they got some lesser known ballasts and bulbs which were available at Lazada. Just guessing, but Xenon Concepts may be sourcing different brands of bulbs and ballasts. The bulb and ballast differences may be the reason why some have seen lower output from Xenon Concepts. If you look at the measurements posted some pages back, there is a big difference int he output among the bulb brands.

**zechs** · October 2nd, 2017 11:33 PM

*hypnos,
What I meant was hindi natin alam if NHK (company itself) is selling class A and class B na Q5 projectors.

We are not sure kung bakit na kung same NHK Q5 projectors, same NHK ballast, and same NHK bulbs, bakit magkaiba output. Kasi sa akin, ung sa dalawang car na na-install ng stage 2 ni xenon concepts, napansin ko na ung sa isang car ko, iba ung ballast and igniter nya. Could be na latest edition ni NHK yun kaya magkaiba. Napansin ko lang na mas mabilis ung warm up time nung latest edition na ballast nya. Projector wise, its the same daw and same bulbs.

Siguro ang kailangan natin gawin is get the NHK projector-ballast-bulb from one retrofitter and pit it against the other retrofitter's NHK projector-ballast-bulb. Para malaman natin why the other warrants a higher pricepoint than the other. Hehe

**Sleepcare** · October 3rd, 2017 10:17 AM

When I brought up the Class A and Class B lenses ng Koito Q5, let's say NHK is making Class A Koito Q5. Then may other sub-con na gumagawa din ng copy ni NHK Koito Q5 which made it Class B pero labelled as NHK Koito Q5 parin. I think yun yung point ng pinuntahan kong retrofitter noon.

Kung maalala ko yung retrofitter na yun, i'll visit him then post here some details. Hopefully maalala ko.. ang dami ko din kasi napuntahang retrofitters noon for quality checking ng trabaho.

**hypnos** · October 3rd, 2017 10:39 AM

Originally Posted by zechs

*hypnos,
What I meant was hindi natin alam if NHK (company itself) is selling class A and class B na Q5 projectors.

We are not sure kung bakit na kung same NHK Q5 projectors, same NHK ballast, and same NHK bulbs, bakit magkaiba output. Kasi sa akin, ung sa dalawang car na na-install ng stage 2 ni xenon concepts, napansin ko na ung sa isang car ko, iba ung ballast and igniter nya. Could be na latest edition ni NHK yun kaya magkaiba. Napansin ko lang na mas mabilis ung warm up time nung latest edition na ballast nya. Projector wise, its the same daw and same bulbs.

Siguro ang kailangan natin gawin is get the NHK projector-ballast-bulb from one retrofitter and pit it against the other retrofitter's NHK projector-ballast-bulb. Para malaman natin why the other warrants a higher pricepoint than the other. Hehe

that's good if the installer is also updating their product. i thought that same NHK Q5 projectors with the same everything else gives different output. I am of course assuming that NHK also does some QA on its products as opposed to the generic projectors on aliexpress

**zechs** · October 3rd, 2017 11:28 AM

Originally Posted by Sleepcare

When I brought up the Class A and Class B lenses ng Koito Q5, let's say NHK is making Class A Koito Q5. Then may other sub-con na gumagawa din ng copy ni NHK Koito Q5 which made it Class B pero labelled as NHK Koito Q5 parin. I think yun yung point ng pinuntahan kong retrofitter noon.

Kung maalala ko yung retrofitter na yun, i'll visit him then post here some details. Hopefully maalala ko.. ang dami ko din kasi napuntahang retrofitters noon for quality checking ng trabaho.

*sleepcare,
Probably ganun nga. We are not sure if lahat ng retrofitters dito get the NHK brand (projectors, ballast and bulb) from one china supplier only. Malamang marami sila. So possibly, iba iba nga ang output nila. Hehe

I think natanong ko dati kay xenon concepts kung ung q5 projectors nya is the latest one (which is based sa morimoto d2s 4.0), sabi naman nya yes it is.

**D3nb3r** · October 3rd, 2017 03:00 PM

May tinanong ako dati installer and ask him magkano singil nya sa retrofit nya including philips xv and sabi ko if may fxr siya. Sabi sa akin luma na daw ang fxr and q5 na ang in ngayun and natawa na lang ako hahaha. Fxr projectors is a legend na sa mga oem spec projectors I mean q5 is not bad provided above average ang ballast and bulb mo but to tell me na as if wala na sa scene ang fxr is funny

My point is alamin natin if knowledgeable ba talaga ang installer natin or even tayo din dapat mag research din. It pays to know kung anong kinakabit sa sasakyan natin kaya ok din na dinidiscuss yung mga projectors dito like if may class A or B ba ang q5.

Update lang, lens etching will be available na sa firedrake soon. Curious ako sa finish product nila if pulido ba and sa output.