Khaos Super Gas Saver

[walanjew]

hi! i'm wary about the overheating problem. has anyone here or anyone you personally know actually experienced engine overheating due to khaos?

[odell]

just remove it pare.. imho

[ghosthunter]

hi! i'm wary about the overheating problem. has anyone here or anyone you personally know actually experienced engine overheating due to khaos?

how about one guy who had engine damage? Another had engine problems which went away after he removed his khaos device. Both are from www.protegetech.com

[theveed]

ghost: it's protege.org, not com... :D

Kita nyo sa Star today? Hayup, daming ads ng Alegre, Khaos (ata) and the other one... Dami talaga naloloko. May article pa sa editorial about Pinoy Fuel saving ek ek... Another fool...
http://philstar.com/philstar/NEWS200504012604.htm

[ghosthunter]

ghost: it's protege.org, not com... :D

i stand corrected

Kita nyo sa Star today? Hayup, daming ads ng Alegre, Khaos (ata) and the other one... Dami talaga naloloko. May article pa sa editorial about Pinoy Fuel saving ek ek... Another fool...
http://philstar.com/philstar/NEWS200504012604.htm

Given the price of gasoline right now, all the snakes in hiding are bound to slither out for a slice of "pie".

[niky]

how about one guy who had engine damage? Another had engine problems which went away after he removed his khaos device. Both are from www.protegetech.com

How about the two guys from www.fordclubph.com who had running problems with it? It interferes with the MAF sensor on Ford Lynx engines.

[ILuvDetailing]

Khaos was again featured in todays Philippine Star... Mayor Belmonte wants to install Khaos in all city governemnt vehicles in QC and save millions .

[ghosthunter]

Khaos was again featured in todays Philippine Star... Mayor Belmonte wants to install Khaos in all city governemnt vehicles in QC and save millions .

Why not Mayor Belmote install khaos on his personal vehicles first and enjoy the "benefits" of khaos under the hood?

[mazdamazda]

How about the two guys from www.fordclubph.com who had running problems with it? It interferes with the MAF sensor on Ford Lynx engines.

if am not mistaken... it was TJ (Blue Lynx).

[walanjew]

i wouldnt want my engine to overheat, and worse, to be damaged.
this got me thinking and now im confused. i did not expect that more air will make the engine hotter. i thought that more gasoline will make the engine hotter. :question: isnt my thinking right?

[ghosthunter]

actually, more gas (or rich mixture) will make your engine run cooler.

[walanjew]

this is interesting. pls let me know if any of my assumptions or reasoning is faulty.

on the one hand:
more gas means more power.
more power means a hotter engine.
therefore more gas results in a hotter engine.

is this reasoning incorrect? isnt this what happens when you go up a long hill?

on the other hand:
gasoline has a cooling effect much like alcohol has on the skin.
more gas has more cooling effect on the engine.
therefore more gas results in a cooler engine.

is this why the engine runs cooler? or is there some other explanation?

any info will be appreciated. thanks!

[ghosthunter]

this is interesting. pls let me know if any of my assumptions or reasoning is faulty.

on the one hand:
more gas means more power.
more power means a hotter engine.
therefore more gas results in a hotter engine.

is this reasoning incorrect? isnt this what happens when you go up a long hill?

on the other hand:
gasoline has a cooling effect much like alcohol has on the skin.
more gas has more cooling effect on the engine.
therefore more gas results in a cooler engine.

is this why the engine runs cooler? or is there some other explanation?

any info will be appreciated. thanks!

Assumptions are correct except you missed one thing, load on the engine.

Example. A 200HP engine does not run 200hp all day long without overheating. Anyway, so for the same load on the engine, a slightly rich air-fuel mixture will run cooler than if it was running with a lean air-fuel mixture.

Also a slightly rich mix will create a flame barrier between the cylinder walls and flame front inside the engine. A lean mixture will result in a thinner flame barrier. I read this somewhere... cannot remember the website source at the moment.

[mazdamazda]

is this why the engine runs cooler? or is there some other explanation?

gasoline per se doesn't make an engine run hotter or cooler. rather it is the air:fuel mixture which determines that.

engines are designed to run on a specific range of temperature. it needs heat to properly combust the air & fuel. but too much heat and your engine will blow up (unless all of your engine innards are made of ceramic).

more air / oxygen -> better combustion -> but more heat -> less reliable

most engines nowadays are designed to run from stoich to slightly rich. this is to ensure engine reliability and to ensure that the catalytic converter will work.

[walanjew]

hello again. i tried searching the net to understand this lean=overheat thing. many sites state that a lean mixture will cause an engine to run hot or overheat but not one site (of those i visited) gave any explanation as to why the engine runs hot when the mixture is lean. perhaps you guys know of a site that gives a good explanation? many thanks!

[pink_cadillac]

Planas was on ANC, claiming that idling engines have a 1:1 Air to fuel ratio and he is advocating a 15:1 lean burn mixture.

To ordinary people they really won't understand this. Mixture, mixture, mixture.

An unusually high ratio will cause engine knock.

We really need to do a benchmark on this.

Planas claims that there is a foreign company offering not just $10,000,000 but $100,000,000!!!

I don't understand why he couldn't issue rights to manufacture the product to a third party, earn a quick buck, and lower the over all cost of a product which is mass produced.

It's only Carbon Monoxide that is toxic according to Planas.

[mazdamazda]

Planas was on ANC, claiming that idling engines have a 1:1 Air to fuel ratio and he is advocating a 15:1 lean burn mixture.

amputik...

dyan pa lang lumitaw na ang ka-[insert expletive here] nya...

the af ratio of an idle engine is slightly rich only... around 13-14:1

It's only Carbon Monoxide that is toxic according to Planas.

and NOx isn't? hehehe...

[ghosthunter]

Planas was on ANC, claiming that idling engines have a 1:1 Air to fuel ratio and he is advocating a 15:1 lean burn mixture.

1:1 air-fuel ratio?... thats a laugh! Maybe thats true with Planas' test cars.

To ordinary people they really won't understand this. Mixture, mixture, mixture.

Sadly this is very true.

Planas claims that there is a foreign company offering not just $10,000,000 but $100,000,000!!!

wow!... thats more than what Manny P. got for his boxing match!

I don't understand why he couldn't issue rights to manufacture the product to a third party, earn a quick buck, and lower the over all cost of a product which is mass produced.

its to protect his cash cow...

It's only Carbon Monoxide that is toxic according to Planas.

maybe he should inhale more CO2? hehehe

[ghosthunter]

Question!

Is there any other person from inventionhaus who is going to try to "promote" khaos in tsikot.com?... I kinda miss the action... hehehe

[BlueBimmer]

wala na they gave up, never to come back it seems but i may be wrong baka may sumulpot bigla hehe