Khaos Super Gas Saver

**Ungas** · September 24th, 2003 11:25 PM

buboy::: Matanong ko lang po, since di ko naman napanuod yung MGB episode, the fuel saving is effective for gas-fed engine only? Ano po ba ang principle nung gadget?

**ghosthunter** · September 24th, 2003 11:28 PM

same here... whats the running principle & theory behind the device to be able to work with ALL gasoline fed engines.

**ghosthunter** · September 24th, 2003 11:34 PM

I've also seen a device being marketed as an "electronic catalytic converter". The device looks like a pneumatic door spring cylinder with wires coming out of one side. Gasoline (or diesel) flows thru the center of the cylinder. Its to be installed between the fuel filter & fuel pump (for gasoline engines).

The device claims to clean up exhaust emissions but doesn't explain how.

**buboy** · September 24th, 2003 11:55 PM

mga pre, thanks for your response. i dont mind your being so skeptic about this. i cant blame you dahil maraming manloloko sa pinas. right now ghosthunter, wala pang business infrastructure. if in case u will buy, sa house nila sa san juan ikakabit. kaya you would know kung saan mo siya hahabulin. fyi, mr planas is not a rich guy. he is not even an influential guy. ngayon bakit magtitiwala sa kanya ang mgb if there is no grain of truth sa invention nya. hindi rin ako technical guy UNGAS to explain how pero in my case talagang nag increase ang power, naka save ako ng gas and sa emission testing ang baba ng rating ko. i am using automatic transmission and ang average ko ay 7 kms per liter. if you are from makati i can even show u the device in my car.

**OTEP** · September 25th, 2003 12:33 AM

Remember, hindi nagtiwala ang MGB sa kanya. They just showed the product to let the viewers decide for themselves.

MGB also showed the car that runs on water. Where is it now? I'm not saying its a fake, but just because something is shown on TV, it does not mean they are endorsing it.

Btw, emissions control devices are required to last at least 100,000 miles in the US.

**buboy** · September 25th, 2003 12:57 AM

otep....this time i can assure you na nagtiwala ang MGB sa invention ni planas unlike the one that runs on water. i cannot just tell you the details here.

**julian** · September 25th, 2003 01:39 AM

buboy, kindly PM me on how to purchase one of these up to installation. How long will the gadget be installed in my L300 van with 4G63 NA SOHC engine? Please include the exact location and contact nos. thanks.

**ghosthunter** · September 25th, 2003 09:44 AM

Originally posted by buboy
mga pre, thanks for your response. i dont mind your being so skeptic about this. i cant blame you dahil maraming manloloko sa pinas. right now ghosthunter, wala pang business infrastructure. if in case u will buy, sa house nila sa san juan ikakabit. kaya you would know kung saan mo siya hahabulin. fyi, mr planas is not a rich guy. he is not even an influential guy. ngayon bakit magtitiwala sa kanya ang mgb if there is no grain of truth sa invention nya. hindi rin ako technical guy UNGAS to explain how pero in my case talagang nag increase ang power, naka save ako ng gas and sa emission testing ang baba ng rating ko. i am using automatic transmission and ang average ko ay 7 kms per liter. if you are from makati i can even show u the device in my car.

I also drive an A/T car, a Corolla GLi... I do an average 6 to 7 km/L depending on city driving conditions. I even reached a low 5km/L simply because I was driving too fast too much. I also can do 8 or 9 km/L if I drive carefully too but its simply not my style of driving. My car is also emissions friendly (even when I am driving in racing mode) because of my upgraded catalytic converter (not stock).

All that without Mr. Planas' device.

You claim to have increased HP. How did you confirm that? Seat of the pants measurement? Did you do dyno testing before & after the device was installed? An easy (and cheap) way to test for increased power is to measure your acceleration over a fixed distance. Have you done this? I also have a G-Tech Pro if you want your quarter-mile time measured.

BTW, ABS-CBN's MGB is only after TV ratings. In the past, they also did a segment on car that supposedly runs on water but other tsikot.com members have proven the "invention" to be a scam.

**ghosthunter** · September 25th, 2003 09:47 AM

Originally posted by buboy
otep....this time i can assure you na nagtiwala ang MGB sa invention ni planas unlike the one that runs on water. i cannot just tell you the details here.

the same way other (similar) devices are marketed in the past... all secret.

**ghosthunter** · September 25th, 2003 09:52 AM

Originally posted by buboy
if you are from makati i can even show u the device in my car.

Is this a case of "you show your's and I'll show you mine"? I also have a device in my car that can increase your engine's power by 5HP or more without affecting your normal milage or emissions.

**buboy** · September 25th, 2003 12:45 PM

ghosthunter i am not technical when it comes to cars...nag improve ang power based on my perception...i dont have to use the device or procedure you mentioned or be scientific about it. the simple reason lang is alam ko ang sasakyan ko at nag improve ang power after makabit ang device. i am not here to sell you guys this device. i am here to participate in these discussions. i still believe the device will sell itself. it is a 3 in 1 device which you can rarely find in other products in the market : (1) it increases hp, (2) saves on gas consumption, (3) it eliminates air pollution. MGB is not the only one endorsing this product. This is also being endorsed by Bantay Kalikasan and other government institutions certified its effectiveness and its claims.

**ghosthunter** · September 25th, 2003 02:12 PM

Originally posted by buboy
ghosthunter i am not technical when it comes to cars...nag improve ang power based on my perception...

PERCEPTION can be deceived easily. That is what most people call "seat of your pants" feel. The same way that a "Powered by Honda/Toyota/etc" sticker can perceived to increase your car's acceleration.

i dont have to use the device or procedure you mentioned or be scientific about it.

You don't have to have the device or procedure... Just drive to AUTO-PLUS at EDSA and have your car tested at the dyno there. Even a lowly stopwatch and a straight & level stretch of deserted road will do.

the simple reason lang is alam ko ang sasakyan ko at nag improve ang power after makabit ang device.

Again, seat of the pants feel... it cannot be measure in terms of HP, time or km/L. So how can you say improved power?

i am not here to sell you guys this device. i am here to participate in these discussions.

Unfortuantely all your posts here are in this specific thread... I have yet to see other messages from you in other topics.

i still believe the device will sell itself. it is a 3 in 1 device which you can rarely find in other products in the market : (1) it increases hp, (2) saves on gas consumption, (3) it eliminates air pollution.

...you forgot to add, "And if you call XXX-XXXX in the next 30 minutes, we will not only give you the device, we will include a fuel treatment kit worth P2000 for free!! " ...

Basically this is sounding like one of those "As Seen On TV" marketing ads with super claims for their do-all products.

MGB is not the only one endorsing this product. This is also being endorsed by Bantay Kalikasan and other government institutions certified its effectiveness and its claims.

"government institutions certifications" aren't worth the paper its printed on when you start having engine problems because of a "certified" product. Certifications usually are done simply to say it doesn't do your engine/car any problems. I wonder who in those government institutions are car experts? The same way some car companies do "test drives" by print & tv reporters who have little qualifications in evaluating a car except that they have valid driver's licenses.

**buboy** · September 25th, 2003 03:17 PM

i dont need to measure the performance of my car.. i dont have to go through all that hassles and be that specific. i am just sharing you my experience.

a friend just told me about this site and i just want to share to all of you regarding the turbo charger. If it is a sin not to participate in other forums/topics, then i am not aware about that?

if you are not recognizing the certifications or endorsements i just wonder who would you believe in. i dont see any problem with the non-experts evaluating a car the same way you don't have to be a computer expert when beta testing a microsoft product.

**imadz** · September 25th, 2003 03:38 PM

baka parang PERTUA din ito pare...pinoy din nagimbento...matignan nga...BUBOY pa PM naman ng contacts and further details...tnx...

**DeltaBravo** · September 25th, 2003 03:48 PM

Mr. Buboy, bilib ako sa iyo dahil pasensyoso ka. Sana bumaba ng konti ang price ng super turbo charger para abot na masa.

**orly_andico** · September 25th, 2003 04:07 PM

all along the car manufacturers knew about this principle. only that they do not implement this. the logical reason is they have this sort of tie up with the oil manufacturers/distributors. the more gas is consumed, the more profit the big three will earn, the more lagay to the car manufacturers will have.

WOW! parang X-Files! then how do you explain the ULEV's and SULEV's which Toyota and Honda are now rolling out in the US? e.g. the Prius, the RAV4 Hybrid, etc? or what about the Audi A1, which gets 50 MILES PER GALLON? (that's 21 KM/liter) so all those car manufacturers.. are in a conspiracy with the oil companies?

X-Files nga. The Lone Gunmen.

As I was telling someone who wanted to try out this device, I really THINK it will provide some improvements particularly if your car is not well-tuned. As M54 and Ghosthunter have theorized, it's probably just something which leans out the fuel mixture. It's a well-known fact that due to emissions restrictions, car companies tune their ECU's to provide a rich fuel mix. So obviously by bypassing the MAF and adding a cold-air intake, you WILL get some performance increases. 10% is quite attainable. 50%? maybe.. if your engine is BADLY in need of tuning.

i am using automatic transmission and ang average ko ay 7 kms per liter

ang alam ko the RAV4 2.0L A/T gets 7km/L by default.. so that sort of mileage is hardly something to write home about. i believe a difference of 10% to 20% is all due to differences in driving.

i am repeating, i do not believe that this device does not work -- maybe it does. but i also believe, get a cold air intake and K&N filter, and you'll probably experience the same gains (and at a lower cost).

**zero** · September 25th, 2003 05:02 PM

let's invite mr. pablo planas na lang kapag may EB.
iba kasi yung actual na nakikita natin how the device works.

heto po ang telephone number niya,
PABLO PLANAS / 7459803

**jojoico** · September 25th, 2003 07:04 PM

just called them, 6k daw is just a promo price, 7-8k daw ang regular price...di ako gagastos ng ganun amount to try something na hindi pa tlga proven or endorsed by the casas.

**Ungas** · September 25th, 2003 08:13 PM

If we can only have two identical cars driven by one person, with and without the "thing" we're talking about. Then test drive it for atleast a week to see if it did claim what it was supposed to.

And sir buboy, if you really want to attest the fuel savings, you should have atleast got some papers to prove it. Even a non-techie person can do this.

**ghosthunter** · September 25th, 2003 10:34 PM

Originally posted by Ungas
And sir buboy, if you really want to attest the fuel savings, you should have atleast got some papers to prove it. Even a non-techie person can do this.

at least someone else is saying what I have been trying to

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