Khaos Super Gas Saver

[ghosthunter]

Originally posted by buboy
i dont need to measure the performance of my car.. i dont have to go through all that hassles and be that specific. i am just sharing you my experience.

Unfortunately you are using your experience as evidence or proof that Mr. Planas' device works.

a friend just told me about this site and i just want to share to all of you regarding the turbo charger. If it is a sin not to participate in other forums/topics, then i am not aware about that?

Unfortunately we aren't mindless zombies that will give you our hard earned cash for something that can hardly be said to be proven to work as claim.

BTW, its not a sin not to participate in other topics but since you did say you enjoy participating in discussing stuff here, I have yet to see evidence of that (other that simply to "advertise" Mr. Planas' device here)

if you are not recognizing the certifications or endorsements i just wonder who would you believe in. i dont see any problem with the non-experts evaluating a car the same way you don't have to be a computer expert when beta testing a microsoft product.

I'll believe in a third party expert that have no ties with the inventor/manufacturer to give his honest opinion about it.

BTW, beta-testing a microsoft product has been tested by experts inside microsoft and then by its support groups/companies before it gets to non-expert hands. I know because I have been a beta-tester for MS (as one of my tasks) in a computer company I worked for years ago.

Note... please dont stray from the topic, you might show more of your ignorance of other subjects than you might want to.

[ghosthunter]

Originally posted by zero
let's invite mr. pablo planas na lang kapag may EB.
iba kasi yung actual na nakikita natin how the device works.

heto po ang telephone number niya,
PABLO PLANAS / 7459803

I doubt if he'll go...

[ghosthunter]

BTW guys, doesn't this whole thing sound like something in the past...?

Do you guys remember Mang Boy Teehankee and his "tuning" and special reworked sparkplugs where he drills a hole in the sparkplug's ground electrode then claims it improves both engine power & fuel economy?

[ghosthunter]

Originally posted by Ungas
If we can only have two identical cars driven by one person, with and without the "thing" we're talking about. Then test drive it for atleast a week to see if it did claim what it was supposed to.

not accurate enough. Even in my daily driving, my fuel milage per full tank to 1/4level differs from 150km to 220km. Thats with the same car & same driver.

[mbt]

WOW ang init init na pala sa thread na to hehehe :D

[julian]

look how ghosthunter rejects all those justifications made by buboy....Ghosthunter, Mr. Planas' claims still stand true. Why?
Because, it is being attested by MR buboy as he has been using the device. But you, you are trying to disprove without any actual
experience in using the device. I doubt if you have actually seen
(not it pix or TV) and touched the device.

Now, since MR Buboy has attested its effects concurring MR Planas' claims, we then need inputs from somebody who has used the device and yet found no effect on the engine peformance. Anyone?

[luwe]

claims are merely claims unless backed by proof. sorry, but some of us live in a scientific world. i want results that can be computed and proven.

have you guys heard of ecotek? it's a device that leans out the mixture using the venturi principle. mas mura pa kaysa diyan sa "super turbo charger" mga 4,400 yata yun. ang alam ko pwede mo ipakabit tapos test run bago mo pag-isipan kung bilhin mo e. yung nagbebenta same place ata as yung meguiar's sa may kamias

[caloyski5]

its getting hot in here...i havent seen the Mr. Planas thing kaya wala ako masabi...

[caloyski5]

btw, may website ba yan para at least makita ko man lang?

[ghosthunter]

Originally posted by julian
look how ghosthunter rejects all those justifications made by buboy....Ghosthunter, Mr. Planas' claims still stand true. Why?
Because, it is being attested by MR buboy as he has been using the device. But you, you are trying to disprove without any actual
experience in using the device. I doubt if you have actually seen
(not it pix or TV) and touched the device.

Now, since MR Buboy has attested its effects concurring MR Planas' claims, we then need inputs from somebody who has used the device and yet found no effect on the engine peformance. Anyone?

Mr.Buboy has made claims but without any evidence nor documentation to that effect. I can also claim to have invented a device which will give your car 50km/L milage and will only cost you P3000 for it and it will have the same level of credibility as Mr.Buboy.

Julian, yes its true that I haven't seen the device nor touched it but I have seen and touched other similar devices that seeing it will not really explain how it works (unless its simply to obvious to the unaided eye).

If you want some input from someone who has tried the device... I guess you can add "sucker" to his nickname because he would have paid hardearned P6000 to P7000 for a untested/unknown product which is only supported by undocumented claims.

[ghosthunter]

Btw, the product name "super turbo charger" is totally misleading to what the product supposedly does. That alone gives me total doubt about its effectness. It reminds me too much of those other "turbo" products like Turbo-Zet, Turbo Swirly, etc.

[ghosthunter]

Originally posted by julian
you are trying to disprove without any actual
experience in using the device. I doubt if you have actually seen
(not it pix or TV) and touched the device.

I doubt that you have seen nor touched the device too. So what gives you so much conviction that the device works as claimed?

Is this simply a matter of blindly siding with the "underdog"?

[mazdamazda]

Originally posted by luwe
have you guys heard of ecotek? it's a device that leans out the mixture using the venturi principle. mas mura pa kaysa diyan sa "super turbo charger" mga 4,400 yata yun. ang alam ko pwede mo ipakabit tapos test run bago mo pag-isipan kung bilhin mo e. yung nagbebenta same place ata as yung meguiar's sa may kamias

Mukhang similar nga yung super turbo charger with the ecotek device from England... what they claim is improved car emmission... and oh, they also have the statistics to back it up a bit.

Ecotek Website



What am curious about is why vehicle manufacturers wouldn't use this devices as standard equipment to their vehicles if they would improve hp, throttle response and emmission! Who wants that drop in throttle response because of Euro-4 compliance?

[DeltaBravo]

oo nga mazda....similar ata sila...

hey ghost... any comparisson regarding ecotek and the local verson turbo charger...?

[mazdamazda]

actually, sobrang simple lang ng device...

there is just a spring and a valve cover... when it detects vacuum, the spring will compress and let some air in...

they claim that the air will create a "swirl" of some sort inside the combustion chamber...

ginaya lang kaya ng super turbo charger ang ecotek? if so, y price it even higher when the materials are so cheap...

[ghosthunter]

Originally posted by DeltaBravo
oo nga mazda....similar ata sila...

hey ghost... any comparisson regarding ecotek and the local verson turbo charger...?

why not ask buboy? Maybe he'll give his expert opinion about the devices in question...

[ghosthunter]

Originally posted by mazdamazda
actually, sobrang simple lang ng device...
<<snipped>>
.... if so, y price it even higher when the materials are so cheap...

so the local inventor can make a lots of money before the scam hits the fan

[ghosthunter]

Originally posted by mazdamazda
What am curious about is why vehicle manufacturers wouldn't use this devices as standard equipment to their vehicles if they would improve hp, throttle response and emmission! Who wants that drop in throttle response because of Euro-4 compliance?

The reason why car manufacturers dont use this device as standard equiptment is because its not needed when you have full access to the engine & its ECU.

The EcoTek device creates a second air intake which leans out the air-fuel charge going into your cylinders. This is fine generally but if you lean out too much, you'll have engine problems.

Auto manufacturers already have programmed their EFI engines to adjust the air-fuel charge. The ECU commands the engine to lean out the air-fuel charge when operating at low RPMs and then create a richer charge when operating at higher RPMs. That's why a typical 1.6 EFI car a bit sluggish until around 4000 RPMs (or whatever switch over point the car's ECU is programed to use).

Example, 1992 Nissan Sentra 1.6 ECCS 16valve... its engine adjusts the air-fuel charge and its ignition timing as well. In idle, the charge is a bit more lean and ignition retarded slightly. At high RPM, slightly more rich and advanced ignition timing. Thats with a car more than ten years old. Why ruin the balance of the ECU's settings with a retrofit device, especially when its not needed nor required?

[mbt]

my personal opinion on devices like these is that they're usually bullshit, you don't have to take my word for it though, try them out at your own risk. i understand where ghosthunter is coming from, however.

i was being sold some of those miracle fuel line magnets a while back... a quick research session on the net revealed that no less than the US government (through the DOT) declared the absolute ineffectiveness on all claims made for the fuel line magnet (as well as other devices). the tests were carefully controlled under real-world conditions, and the seller of the device was eventually sued and forced to revise its misleading claims.

so there... you be the judge on devices that claim phenomenal increases in power or economy. maybe this "super turbo charger" or whatever is different from those tested in the US and elsewhere, but i advise prospective buyers to do their research first, however, and read the fine print carefully. make an informed decision.

i also would like some instrumented before-and-after tests before i'd believe claims for these devices. it's really simple: before and after wheel dyno charts for power claims (certified by a reputable, independent party), and a lifetime money-back guarantee for fuel economy claims (since fuel economy would vary greatly between cases).

the magnets i was being offered a while back offered a 90-day money-back guarantee but claimed that it needed at least 6 months installed in the vehicle to start becoming effective. uh huh... i see... no thanks, im no sucker.

[OTEP]

I live in the scientific community. And until something is proven that it does work, then we are not sold on it. How would you like us to inject a drug into you just because someone claims it works? Although it might actually work, there are numerous other factors to iron out (side-effects, cost, bioethics, etc.)

Same thing here. Unless Mr. Planas can provide a level of evidence that is universally accepted by the scientific commumity (full instrumented tests, durability tests, etc.) then his product is still considered a hoax (based on the claims he is making).

And don't be fooled by him testing those devices on old, leaking engines. Test it in a new, modern engine. I doubt kung may epekto. He is selling it as a band-aid solution to engines that seem to need an overhaul already.