Auto-LPG Conversion Thread

[afg598]

I just had my car converted last week. 1.3L carburated. So far so good. Cost per liter at NAIADSS was P24.20. Is this low already?

[ghosthunter]

I just had my car converted last week. 1.3L carburated. So far so good. Cost per liter at NAIADSS was P24.20. Is this low already?

I'm expecting it to get lower.

[smdelfin]

I just had my car converted last week. 1.3L carburated. So far so good. Cost per liter at NAIADSS was P24.20. Is this low already?

What's your car? And how much was the total cost of the conversion?
Thanks.

[theveed]

Saw a white Picanto taxi kanina with LPG sticker sa likod, grabe magkano lang kaya nagagastos nya sa gaso hehe

[userfriendly]

Open na pala yung lpg conversion place sa ortigas home depot, deside big berts. I checked the place this am. Owner was not there but was able to talk to the installers.

Name of company: Green Autogas.
Kit: Aldesa brand from Turkey but their tanks are locally sourced. Saw made in RP mark on the tank.
They have 3 kinds of kits: carb, efi and sequential injection.
I copied their price list, negotiable daw sabi nung installer.
Carb 24,000
EFI 27,000
Sequential injection ( comes with ECU, and injectors ) 4 cylinder 52,000, 6 cylinder 68,000, 8 cylinder 90,000

Here is the link to the website of Aldesa
http://www.aldesa.com.tr/aldesa/en/default.asp

[userfriendly]

Ito pala yung perodic maintenance schedule of lpg kits. Taken from Aldesa website. I copied and paste it for your convienence.

http://www.aldesa.com.tr/aldesa/en/c...4&CID=13&PID=5

"Possible Failures With Your LPG System
Periodical Maintanence

The electrical installation shall be checked at every 10,000 kilometers and for the existence of any oxidization on connections.
Caustics and impurities trapped in the evaporator-regulator shall be discharged by opening the drain plug at every 10,000 kilometers.
The filter in the LPG electro-valve shall be cleaned at every 10,000 kilometers.
Repair sets for electro-valves and the evaporator-regulator shall be changed at every 10,000 kilometers.
The state of the main hose and connection components should be checked.
Stage 1 and 2 pressures of the depressurizer should be checked.
Any filth buildup in the hole counterbalancing the pressure on the diaphragm should be checked" Quoted from Aldesa website.

[ghosthunter]

Sequential injection ( comes with ECU, and injectors ) 4 cylinder 52,000, 6 cylinder 68,000, 8 cylinder 90,000

Actually the pricing for sequential injection isn't that surprising. Auto_xer and I did a comparitive price study if we built an automotive LPG system using nitrous oxide kits as the starting point. The pricing came out somewhat similar.

[Bry]

Hello everyone

(I didn't read the entire thread, please don't kill me hihihi)

I'm just wondering how much ang conversion to LPG? Let's say for Vios J or Sentra GX (both will be brand new, 1.3L, pang taxi). I'm afraid na pag hindi ako nag LPG, the drivers will ask for a much lower boundary.

Also, baka may ma-refer kayo na mahusay magconvert to LPG.

Thanks mga boss.

[ghosthunter]

Hello everyone

(I didn't read the entire thread, please don't kill me hihihi)

ok, we'll just do it short of kill you...

I'm just wondering how much ang conversion to LPG? Let's say for Vios J or Sentra GX (both will be brand new, 1.3L, pang taxi). I'm afraid na pag hindi ako nag LPG, the drivers will ask for a much lower boundary.

Basically the prices based on NAIADSS:
carb: P24,000
efi (1.6L and smaller engine displacement): P28,000

BTW, it is possible to negotiate a slight discount if you have more than one car to be installed with their LPG kit.

Also, baka may ma-refer kayo na mahusay magconvert to LPG.

as I see it, you should go to a LPG installer that is nearby because you will be sending your cars there periodically for adjustments or retuning of the LPG system.

[afg598]

What's your car? And how much was the total cost of the conversion?
Thanks.

my car is a sentra 1.3L FE. Conversion at NAIADSS was P22K. So far on my first full tank of 50 liters (85% of 60 liter tank) has ran 320km on the trip meter and the reading on the digital guage says 35% left. . This is daily commute QC to Makati 9-5 work.

I'll wait for 3 cycle full tanks before I give my verdict on cost savings versus petrol.

My butt dyno tells me a slight power less for RPMs higher than 2,500 but not discernable below that.

[ghosthunter]

my car is a sentra 1.3L FE. Conversion at NAIADSS was P22K. So far on my first full tank of 50 liters (85% of 60 liter tank) has ran 320km on the trip meter and the reading on the digital guage says 35% left. . This is daily commute QC to Makati 9-5 work.

I'll wait for 3 cycle full tanks before I give my verdict on cost savings versus petrol.

My butt dyno tells me a slight power less for RPMs higher than 2,500 but not discernable below that.

if you would like to get back some of that lost HP, you can adjust your ignition timing by advancing it five to ten degrees more than factory setting.

Note: if you do use regular gasoline with the ignition setting advanced, the engine will run rough. But if your car does have some sort engine knock sensor, you can savely switch fuels anytime.

[afg598]

if you would like to get back some of that lost HP, you can adjust your ignition timing by advancing it five to ten degrees more than factory setting.

Note: if you do use regular gasoline with the ignition setting advanced, the engine will run rough. But if your car does have some sort engine knock sensor, you can savely switch fuels anytime.

The power loss doesn't really bother me that much but if I were to advance the timing, will it affect the engine operating temperature? How about fuel economy, will advancing make it more efficient?

[ghosthunter]

The power loss doesn't really bother me that much but if I were to advance the timing, will it affect the engine operating temperature? How about fuel economy, will advancing make it more efficient?

if you ran on LPG on stock ignition timing, it would be like running on gasoline with your timing retarded which results in less power and lower engine efficiency. In theory, you should have a percentage gain in fuel economy.

The reason why you need to advance your timing is because the flame front of LPG is slower than gasoline. So LPG needs to be ignited earlier than gasoline.

[afg598]

if you ran on LPG on stock ignition timing, it would be like running on gasoline with your timing retarded which results in less power and lower engine efficiency. In theory, you should have a percentage gain in fuel economy.

The reason why you need to advance your timing is because the flame front of LPG is slower than gasoline. So LPG needs to be ignited earlier than gasoline.

What's your car and how many degrees did you advance it? How many percent increase better consumption did you get after?

[topgun]

my car is a sentra 1.3L FE. Conversion at NAIADSS was P22K. So far on my first full tank of 50 liters (85% of 60 liter tank) has ran 320km on the trip meter and the reading on the digital guage says 35% left. . This is daily commute QC to Makati 9-5 work.

I'll wait for 3 cycle full tanks before I give my verdict on cost savings versus petrol.

My butt dyno tells me a slight power less for RPMs higher than 2,500 but not discernable below that.

that is a very good fuel km /liter rating so far the best i can squeeze out of my civic 1.6 esi with lpg is a dismal 6.7 km per liter of LPG

i dont have the same rating as you

[afg598]

that is a very good fuel km /liter rating so far the best i can squeeze out of my civic 1.6 esi with lpg is a dismal 6.7 km per liter of LPG

i dont have the same rating as you

This is getting really wierd.

On petrol, I used to do average 7.58km/l. Actually one time I was waiting for my fuel guage to light up before heading for the gas station and I realized the hard way that the bulb was already busted already so I actually ran out of gas!!! Good thing the nearest station was just across the street. :sweat: . The trip meter read 340km so, obviously, that's the furthest I can run my car on a full tank till empty.

Now my trip meter reads 398.7km and the digital guage still reads 30%! I haven't changed my route to and from work, no long distance trips and same driving habits.

???

[ghosthunter]

Now my trip meter reads 398.7km and the digital guage still reads 30%! I haven't changed my route to and from work, no long distance trips and same driving habits.

It depends on your LPG tank size. I assume you got the 60L tank. So given that, you should see an increase in maximum range per tank of LPG vs gasoline.

[smdelfin]

INQ7.net, GMA7
Last updated 01:14pm (Mla time) 10/30/2006
PRICES of Liquefied Petroleum Gas will be rolled back by 0.50 per kilo effective midnight Tuesday, according to a “Flash Report” on GMA Network, quoting a group of LPG dealers.
The report said the decision by the LPG Marketers Association to reduce prices was the fourth for this month.
The continuing rollback in LPG prices was due to the lowering of the cost of crude in the world market, the report said.

[afg598]

It depends on your LPG tank size. I assume you got the 60L tank. So given that, you should see an increase in maximum range per tank of LPG vs gasoline.

Yup. got the 60L tank. Now the trip meter reads 440km. Thanks.