Toyota Avanza vs. Suzuki APV

[MAXBUWAYA]

Just wanna share why we got the avanza.

1. Because its a Toyota and the parts and service are readily available anywhere.

I doubt this since its of of the new engine or new generation engine.


APVs engine is quite old. It came from the Vitara.

If you dont haVE monet to burn for gas, Dont get the APV.
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[mulder]

Hi Guyz! First time ko pong magpost d2, but im reading threads for quite a while. Actually i will buy a new AUV next month and Avanza 1.3J or APV ang pinagpipiliaan ko... (Actually nagpost din ako sa avanza thread, hindi ko pala alam na meron nito... sorry po )

Avanza 1.3J - swak naman sa budget kaso yung ammenities like power window, power lock and others are not available. And i have read a comment from othersite (kotse.com / pwede ko bang sabihin ito?)

"with those ammenites... isa lang trip ko ung airbag... almost lahat mabibili mo naman sa banawe or evangelista...

pero kung medyo hesistant ka pa sa avanza pwede mo nmn un ihold... me i'm using both toyota and mitsubishi... kaya medyo okay rin sa akin ung toyota pero di sa nananakot ako ung friend ni misis kasi na naka avanza umakayat ng bagiuo tumirik sa lions head pinababa laht ng pasahero den nag antay sila sa tuktok... yuin lang.... you need to evaluate every car kasi malaking pera and investment yan... " - may katotohanan ba ito?

APV - swak sa din sa budget (especially HS friend ko yung SC from suzuki shaw kaya bargain na ito) kaso bihira kong makita sa kalye, another concern ko eh yung makina na nasa ilalim, long term wise pag-ginawa ang makina dudumi ang loob, and the possibility to tip over kasi sa design, and the single airconditioning ng APV...

Mas tipid sa gas ang Avanza kaysa APV?

Longterm goal and family first (8 kami, 2 adults, 4 teens, 2 kids) ang gusto ko.. which of the two?

Help po mga bossing.. Thanks!

Madami ng APV nagyon sa kalye. Maluwag talaga ang APV kaya kung 8 kayo tamang tama ang APV kasi good for 8 adults ito who can seat comfortably. The sound of the APV is good too kasi may speaker na siya sa rear. I'm driving a white APV manual right now and happy with its performance. Palalagyan ko na lang ng dual aircon this sept mga 30k. Napamodify ko na din ng konti but I dont have pictures pa ryt now. Madami na kasing Taxi na Avanza ngayon sa daan e.

[tanoshi_637]

Sorry na-miss out ko ata yung sa Avanza thread regarding sa baguio escapade, pero ibig sabihin yung avanza 1.3 J mahina sa hatakan lalo na pag-puno? (as said before 8 family members) Pero ang APV naman kasya nga ang 8 pero single aircon lang sya at long term wise medyo hindi na sya ok..

IMHO kahit anong 1.3L engine (designed for fuel economy) talagang mahihirapan sa akyatan pag maraming sakay. lalu na kung ang degree ng slope ay matarik + ang bigat pa ng sakay, sa tingin ko hindi naman ito design para sa ganito, akyatan. Walong tao? (that's 1.6 times than your regular 1.3L powered car) you need a bigger horepower-gas guzzler engine (madami pa siguro kayong gamit, what an abuse sa car).

Dalawa ang way papuntang baguio, forgot the names (marcos/kennon?), yung isa talagang matarik! - mas okay dun ka na lang pag pauwi, maraming tumitirik dun (paakyat) & tumatalon sa bangin (pababa), dont dare take that path unless you're a skilled driver. Respect that road & respect your car, otherwise sure patay ka. Tapos dun sa hindi gaanong matarik, winding & longer route, dun ka na lang pag paakyat.

[meledson]

Take a look at his figures that I took from the following sites:
http://www.auto-searchphilippines.com/SuzukiAPV.html
http://www.toyota.com.ph/cars/new_ca...2006/specs.asp

APV Engine 1.6 liters SOHC
Avanza J Engine 1.3 liters DOHC VVTi

APV torque 127 Nm * 4,500 rpm
Avanza J torque 120Nm / 4,400 rpm

APV Engine power 91 hp*5,750 rpm
Avanza J Engine power 92ps / 6,000 rpm

APV Gross Weight 1,950 Kg
Avanza J Gross Weight 1,585 kg

Fuel consuption (Km per liter) of the Avanza J is a lot better than the APV. - 11 to 14 Km per liter vs 7 to 9 Km per liter

The APV can seat 8 people comfortably. But the Avanza can accomodate 7.

So if you can fit the same 8 people in the APV to the Avanza J, which vehicle will perform better?

Engine power is almost the same, but take note of the vehicle weight. The Avanza has a better power to weight ratio.

Not because the Avanza J is only has a 1.3 liter engine, you cannot say that it cannot handle the load/capacity that the 1.6 liter engine of the APV.

[IMm29]

Take a look at his figures that I took from the following sites:
http://www.auto-searchphilippines.com/SuzukiAPV.html
http://www.toyota.com.ph/cars/new_ca...2006/specs.asp

APV Engine 1.6 liters SOHC
Avanza J Engine 1.3 liters DOHC VVTi

APV torque 127 Nm * 4,500 rpm
Avanza J torque 120Nm / 4,400 rpm

APV Engine power 91 hp*5,750 rpm
Avanza J Engine power 92ps / 6,000 rpm

APV Gross Weight 1,950 Kg
Avanza J Gross Weight 1,585 kg

Fuel consuption (Km per liter) of the Avanza J is a lot better than the APV. - 11 to 14 Km per liter vs 7 to 9 Km per liter

The APV can seat 8 people comfortably. But the Avanza can accomodate 7.

So if you can fit the same 8 people in the APV to the Avanza J, which vehicle will perform better?

Engine power is almost the same, but take note of the vehicle weight. The Avanza has a better power to weight ratio.

Not because the Avanza J is only has a 1.3 liter engine, you cannot say that it cannot handle the load/capacity that the 1.6 liter engine of the APV.

Haven't driven an Avanza yet, and drove the APV (A/T) for a limited time only. Seating capacity-wise, the APV trumps the Avanza J. The 8 seats of the APV is more spacious than the Avanza's. The 3rd row does not require me to crouch. My 5'6" 200+ lbs frame fits the APV comfortably (although perhaps relegates it to a 6 seater for full comfort, but that's perhaps another story). Sitting the same way, in the same comfort in a showroom Avanza, for me, can't be done as is. Headroom may be relatively ok, but legroom isn't.

Anyhow, in terms of performance, I've a feeling the Avanza 1.3L MT will do better than an APV 1.6L MT, both with full loads. The 1.6L AT of the test drive unit feels lethargic. The same powerplant was ok on the old JLX Vitara, but I think the transmission of the APV does not do it justice.

[meledson]

I doubt this since its of of the new engine or new generation engine.

Locally, the Avanza is about a year old. But I think it has been used in other Asian countries for several years. The local Avanza did not have the steering problem of early generation of the Avanza (or was it a Daihatsu first).

Any way, sa mga avanza users dito sa tsikot, wala pa naman ang may major problem.

If I remember correctly,there is a 1 year old avanza with 25,000 Km+ milage. No reported problem/s.

[meledson]

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[puroy]

Originally Posted by MAXBUWAYA View Post
I doubt this since its of of the new engine or new generation engine.

I think ang engine ng avanza is the same as vios. rear wheel drive nga lang sa avanza.

[VtEC]

to be honest dipa me nakakakita ng avanza sa actual (puro pix lang), pero kung hitsura lang ang basehan mas gusto ko sya kesa sa APV.diko kasi mawari ang hitsura ng APV e.

[Type 100]

(or was it a Daihatsu first).

Correct. The Avanza is also known as the Daihatsu Xenia in other markets. Toyota has had a 51% controlling stake in Daihatsu for a number of years now, since at least 2001 (it may have been longer).

[Vioser]

There are some APV Taxis here in Iloilo. Especially in the Airport.

[mazingerZ]

These are shuttle taxis sir vioser. Point to point lang.

[MAXBUWAYA]

IMHO kahit anong 1.3L engine (designed for fuel economy) talagang mahihirapan sa akyatan pag maraming sakay. lalu na kung ang degree ng slope ay matarik + ang bigat pa ng sakay, sa tingin ko hindi naman ito design para sa ganito, akyatan. Walong tao? (that's 1.6 times than your regular 1.3L powered car) you need a bigger horepower-gas guzzler engine (madami pa siguro kayong gamit, what an abuse sa car).

I have a 1.3 jimny pero hindi nahirapan in Baguio its even A/T with 5 Adults on board and Luggage on its roof.

Mas hirap nga siya sa NLEX.

[meledson]

IMHO kahit anong 1.3L engine (designed for fuel economy) talagang mahihirapan sa akyatan pag maraming sakay. lalu na kung ang degree ng slope ay matarik + ang bigat pa ng sakay, sa tingin ko hindi naman ito design para sa ganito, akyatan. Walong tao? (that's 1.6 times than your regular 1.3L powered car) you need a bigger horepower-gas guzzler engine (madami pa siguro kayong gamit, what an abuse sa car).

The Avanza was designed to carry up to 7 people and/or stuff. The J having a 1.3 liter engine has a "short transmission" At 3,000 RPM 5'th gear, the speed is only 80Kph. Sa ibang 1.3 liter cars, nasa 100 Kph na ang takbo para economical. IMHO, nakadesign ang 1.3 Avanza na malakas ang torque sa gulong para di mahirapan magdala ng load. Designed to carry, not for speed . This is not abuse for me.

Sa 1.5 na Avanza, at 5'th grear, 3000 RPM, nasa 100 Kph na ang speed.

BTW, coil springs ang gamit ng Avanza sa suspension sa likod. Not leaf springs. FR layout.

Fastest na naitakbo ko is 140Kph sa NLEX, at almost 5,000 rpm, kaso saglit lang, mga about 2 mins. Takot kasi na mahuli ng over speeding. 5 adults, 2 toddlers and plenty of luggage good for 5 days na out of town trip. No roof rack/rail.

Di ko pa nadala sa Baguio. Sa Tagaytay lang, sa trip na ito, ang sakay ay 6 adults and 2 toddlers, no luggages. no problem naman.

[chad777]

between the two, i'd go for the Suzuki APV for the following reasons:

-comfortable 8 seater
-Uncannilly spacious
-value for money
-engine from old vitara is tried and tested
-image better than a avanza taxi
-choice of transport service by Discovery Shores in BORACAY.

but if you want a proven brand - go for the TOYOTA.

[kizmark]

Pag medyo malalaki kayong pamilya (mabigat, matatangkad at more than 5), the APV would be better than the Avanza. Dyahe lang yung walang rear aircon yung APV sa mga GA at GL model ng APV. I think fuel consumption will drive some people off from choosing an APV (hell, I almost looked away); but in the end, I chose comfort for my family kaya APV pinili ko.

sir tsuper man, it's been awhile since you posted what i quoted above, so i believe nag-stabilize na ang fuel consumption ng apv mo. how is it? and how is the car, too? tia

[Zace]

the advantages of the apv are exclusivity(not being used as taxis), relatively large interior space, and slightly better interior trims. advantages of the avanza are TOYOTA reliability, safety( the avanza rides behind the front wheels making it possible to have ample crumple zones to prevent loss of limbs and life, new VVTi engine (same displacement as the vios but not the same engine, the 1.5 liter outperforms the suzukis aging 1.6 liter engine), high resale value. YOU CANT GO WRONG WITH A TOYOTA!!! AVANZA IS MY CHOICE

[overboost]

Suzuki is my choice.

More passenger room and luggage space. Power is adequate but not enough which is ok by my standards. Nothing beats more room even if you have only two kids and a yaya to tote around.

Sa Avanza passenger quantity lang pero quality wala kasi masikip and no luggage space whatsoever inside when all seats are up. Although as others have said the power to weight ratio is thumbs up.

[MAXBUWAYA]

the advantages of the apv are exclusivity(not being used as taxis), relatively large interior space, and slightly better interior trims. advantages of the avanza are TOYOTA reliability, safety( the avanza rides behind the front wheels making it possible to have ample crumple zones to prevent loss of limbs and life, new VVTi engine (same displacement as the vios but not the same engine, the 1.5 liter outperforms the suzukis aging 1.6 liter engine), high resale value. YOU CANT GO WRONG WITH A TOYOTA!!! AVANZA IS MY CHOICE

i think being a taxi shows how relaible a car is. I think Avanza being a taxi makes it an advantage. Masyado lang talaga elitisa ang thinking natin.
Ayaw lang natin siguro marelate sa public transport dahil karamihan sa atin ang tingin sa may tsikot mayaman. hgehehehehe



We already owned two suzukis and they are very relaible and tough. Its just maybe the traditional thinking is that TOYOTA and Honda are the only reliable brand in the world. At least thats how many of us people think.

All you need is an open mind and thoruogh research. you will know how suzuki are very reasonably price car compared to the two brands

Toyota and honda dealership service are the Worst! Maganda lang tingnan pero walang substance. Compared to suzuki by the way.

[MAXBUWAYA]

I doubt this since its of of the new engine or new generation engine.

I guess with now the growing population of Avanza in SE Asia growing faster than our economy. I think parts will not be a problem. Am talking about Replacement part.