Toyota Avanza vs. Suzuki APV

[oldblue]

baka hindi na "boiled eggs" scrambled na lang sa tagtag


j/k lang po

[KoKoNAT]

Me nagsabi pa sa akin na Korean Daihatsu people carry van daw yun na binili ng Toyota Indonesia yung design (need more research).

Daihatsu is Japanese not Korean. It has also been a wholly-owned subsidiary of Toyota since 1999, so you'll see Daihatsus re-badged as Toyotas. In this case, the Avanza is a re-badged Daihatsu Xenia. Same with the Wish which is a re-badged next-gen Daihatsu Terios.

[OTEP]

Yung Toyota Blizzard naman, naging Daihatsu after a few years (forgot the exact model name). Weather weather lang iyan. :lol:

[praetorian]

IMO, a car with the engine underneath the seat will always have warmer seats than a car with the engine in front (or back), no matter how much insulation you put underneath the seat. Our L300 was ok when you drove it on the highway at speed, but crawl in traffic often enough and you'll soon wish your driver was doing the driving.

Also, the short "hood" of the APV is a concern for me, safety-wise, since there isn't that much of a crumple zone to help protect the occupants during a head-on collision. Don't get me wrong, the APV's design is certainly better than the L300, but if it's compared to something like an Avanza, I'd rather go for the latter. Come to think of it, the fact that the Avanza J will be made into a taxi should not be too much of a minus for it since the APV also has a "bare" version (for delivery duties and such), right? If the taxi Avanza make it look "masa", then the dlivery APV will also make it look "masa".

[normanenoza]

hindi naman cguro kasing init ng L300 yung APV even if bought have their engines under the driver seat.APV was designed to have the radiator placed in front far away from the engine(which i think is a better design). while the L300's radiator are mounted together with the engine that is why it is very hot. where everyone knows that the radiator's sole purpose is to displace the heat developed by the engine.

[niky]

Haven't heard of complaints regarding the APV's seat yet.

RE: Fuel consumption of the APV MT is about 8 km/l in traffic. Not bad for a high-capacity vehicle with a small engine. I'm betting the Avanza 1.5 will be 8.5 and the Avanza 1.3 between 8.5 and 9.

[SlickStock]

idol otep, sent you a P.M.

[blackvx]

mag lalabas na daw ng Avanza with factory installed LPG fuel sytem for taxis according to a friend who works for toyota. P23 pesos a liter daw ang cost for lpg. sa liit ng avanza san kaya ilalagay yung lpg tank if you plan to use the 3rd row seats? sa bubong?

[userfriendly]

If this is true, the lpg tank will replace the 3rd row seat. Avanza taxi units only have 2 rows. It has something to do with LTFRB or LTO rules and regulations that limit taxis to 5 seats with the exception of mega taxi franchises.

[Galactus]

Re: mainit na upuan, Suzuki maketing spin doctors should use it as a selling point: "Suzuki APV comes standard with warm front seats, providing a massaging effect to soothe the driver after a long, tiring ride..."

[Tigerbug]

Re: mainit na upuan, Suzuki maketing spin doctors should use it as a selling point: "Suzuki APV comes standard with warm front seats, providing a massaging effect to soothe the driver after a long, tiring ride..."

Review from sir Macky, APV owner:

“The engine being under the drivers seat is a non-issue as Suzuki have done a good job of isolating the engine heat and noise . It also has its radiator under the hood for better ventillation which should give us peace of mind against overheating. And if this is not enough, Suzuki Philippines has thrown in a 3-year warranty and a 2-year free maintenance.”

[blackvx]

how long has sir macky owned his APV? usually the heat issue comes out when the vehicle gets older.
when travelling sa highways like SLEX, NLE or star highway, di po ba unstable yung APV cause of it design? would the Avanza have the advantage in this aspect?

[OTEP]

The APV just looks tall due to the greenhouse. But all of the heavy bits are actually mounted very low in the chassis so don't expect the center of gravity to be sky high. The engine itself is lower than in the Avanza's.

[blackvx]

which would be more fun to drive kaya specially in the A/T variant. for the speed freak inside you, which would give you more satisfaction. ano kaya ang mas maganda i-set-up? siguradong dadami after market parts and accessories ng avanza. may available after market parts na ba for the APV?

[MAXBUWAYA]

Kakatakot din kasi ang mga no. 1 sa market baka parang honda minamadali sa production nasasacrifice ang quality. Then pag nakatyempo ka ng sira ang hirap iclaim sa warranty dahil sa dami ng cliente.

APV ako.

[niky]

Most likely, the Avanza will be sportier to drive. Coil spring rear end trumps leaf-spring every time.

I'm seeing more and more Avanzas on the road now. In metallic red? Very very pretty. Make mine a 1.5 MT...

[mazdamazda]

Errr... after riding in an Avanza... I wouldn't call it a sporty drive... more like a nauseous drive. Hehe.

I've also seen some Avanza sporting bodykits... and it is just :suka:

Though the exterior is more palatable than the love it or hate it APV.

[niky]

Errr... after riding in an Avanza... I wouldn't call it a sporty drive... more like a nauseous drive. Hehe.

I've also seen some Avanza sporting bodykits... and it is just :suka:

Though the exterior is more palatable than the love it or hate it APV.

Ahhh... so Ranma was right? It is worse than the already-choppy APV? ...But how is it to drive?

The bodykits are definitely :suka:, much like the Shark Innova kits... I prefer the stock looks... already nice and clean.

[userfriendly]

I disagree. The Phil Avanza's ride is not bad at all. I think that we already have the new suspension system. The 2004 Avanza that came out in Malaysia had the awfull suspension. Toyota has since changed it.

Even with our bad roads, the Avanza will not give you a free massage ala 2001 Crosswind or the Nissan Terrano. Although its not as good as a sedan.

[mazdamazda]

I disagree. The Phil Avanza's ride is not bad at all. I think that we already have the new suspension system. The 2004 Avanza that came out in Malaysia had the awfull suspension. Toyota has since changed it.

Even with our bad roads, the Avanza will not give you a free massage ala 2001 Crosswind or the Nissan Terrano. Although its not as good as a sedan.

As I've said in the Avanza thread, I rode a brand new Avanza at the back in near perfect roads.

The ride upfront is good enough but try riding at the back for a considerable amount of time and you might change your mind.

Ahhh... so Ranma was right? It is worse than the already-choppy APV? ...But how is it to drive?

Sorry... didn't had the chance to drive it and wouldn't dream about it as those LHD roads are really confusing... :puyat: