Montero_Sport_vs._Santa_Fe_Comparison_Model_2013

[GTi]

Sensya kung nakakalito. To clear up, I mean quality as in stage presence of the car, quality of materials used, safety equipment included on board, manufacturing and safety standards and such.

But that the PJ and SF are really not made for the same market, with the two catering to different needs and preferences.

If it really is confusing, what my post says is that the MS is an SUV that offers good value, durability and performance, though still with quite a number of coarse edges and points for improvement. The SF on the other hand offers superior comfort, refinement, fuel efficiency and performance.

[arsen]

Sobrang layo. The new Santa Fe has quality comparable to true midsize SUVs like the Prado and Pajero and premium crossovers like the CX9. The Montero uses very cheap quality plastic for the interior, although the design is OK. The ride is comfortable and the handling not too shabby either. In terms of punch, I find it slightly better than the Santa Fe VGT- which, mind you, is still faster off the line. I don't know if its because the unit I drove is still green or if its just plain turbo lag, but the throttle response was very much delayed. It takes its time to slowly rev until it nears 2000rpm before it starts to really go at it, unlike the near-instantaneous throttle response of the SF VGT which hits 3000rpm within a split second of hitting the accelerator. Not to mention the 4D56, despite being tweaked to its current 178ps form, is still noisy and unrefined- much more so than the 3.0L Fortuner, let alone the Santa Fe.

New Hyundai/Kia diesel engines are fitted with a close-coupled DPF (diesel particulate filter) as "standard component". See the sample of close-coupled particulate filter in the photo.

DPFs together with multiple high temp sensors will add somewhere between 150,000 to 200,000 pesos (or more) to the vehicle cost which is of course passed on to the buyer. The DPFs gives freedom to ECU programmer to apply the so-called near-instantaneous throttle response control setting without the occurrence of billowing soot which d_mac always see when trailing the montero sport... hahaha

Vehicle owners actually paid for it but all credit goes to the manufacturer... so they are clapping... hahaha

photo credit to "thekoreancarblog"

Wala naman ganyanan sir, sinasabi mo pawang katotohanan eh na ayaw marinig ng mga fanboys haha! Akala ko ba sir sabi ni Mitsuboshi tatapatan daw niya power ni Santa Fe hehe .... Sa dami ng Mitsuboshi banners nang lumabas si namumulang GT-V, tatapatan daw si Fe haha :D ....Ang dami namang naniniwala sa Phelipens ;)

Tama yang description mo chief, anemic yan below 2000 rpm (may hesitation) kahit pa super-power daw ang namumulang GT-V hehe ;)

Hindi nga pinapansin yan sa ibang bansa hehe, OIP lang yan (only in the Phelipens)

No further comment your honour kasi pawang katotohanan sinasabi mo, tunay kang hindi pinagdududahan idol! ;)

Hello there

[SyniTh]

I drove a monty but i never drove a sta. fe yet. But our car is in CRDI. Its maintenance is not that high as long as you follow its pms schedule and have the egr serviced from time ti time. CRDI is one hell of an engine.!

Externally, i always gaze on an SF3 everytime i see it on the road.

[shelu]

i don't own SF3 nor a MS because i always stick for isuzu for durability and fuel efficiency. however, i always take a closer look at SF3 whenever i see one. ang ganda ng porma at ang tulin tumakbo. on the other hand, MS looks like a crab for me. walang ka porma-porma. korean cars are getting better these days.

[d_mac]

New Hyundai/Kia diesel engines are fitted with a close-coupled DPF (diesel particulate filter) as "standard component". See the sample of close-coupled particulate filter in the photo.

DPFs together with multiple high temp sensors will add somewhere between 150,000 to 200,000 pesos (or more) to the vehicle cost which is of course passed on to the buyer. The DPFs gives freedom to ECU programmer to apply the so-called near-instantaneous throttle response control setting without the occurrence of billowing soot which d_mac always see when trailing the montero sport... hahaha

Vehicle owners actually paid for it but all credit goes to the manufacturer... so they are clapping... hahaha

photo credit to "thekoreancarblog"

Hello there

Hi there boss!

Gaya nga nang pilit kong sinasabi sa yo idol kuno, kung Monterosport na tak-tak-tak lang ang makina meron kami (by my in-laws though, not from my own money hehe ) at kada piga ko sa silinyador idol natatawa ako, hindi tuwa ah, dahil bukod sa anemic sa power below 2000 rpm, maingay pate pag binira, at ubod ng usok si lumang 1986 pa na engine 4D56 GUARANTEED yan pards, HINDI NA KAILANGAN NA RATIO-AND-PROPORTION mo lang na computation ahihi.... Sumakay ka pa imbitado ka hehe

Gaya nga ng sinsasabi ko pa sa yo din, you may assume every scenario apart from what is true, yang mga pinagmamalaki mo na Monterosport, kahit pa yung may namumulang GT-V para bumenta, pag dating sa akyatan na marimi lalong hairpins o switchbacks iniiwan lang ni hinDMAXsiado kahit wastegate turbo lang ito hehe.

Yun lang naman pards.... Ngayon idol, pakita ka ulit ng ratio-and-proportion mo ahihi.... Kahit ano pang sabihin mo pa at magpakita ka ng equation kuno kung-ano-ano para i-build up yang Monterosport idol scientist ahihi, hinding-hindi ako magsasayang ng pera ko sa bulok na Monterosport na yan idol

Cheers idol!

[d_mac]

i don't own SF3 nor a MS because i always stick for isuzu for durability and fuel efficiency. however, i always take a closer look at SF3 whenever i see one. ang ganda ng porma at ang tulin tumakbo. on the other hand, MS looks like a crab for me. walang ka porma-porma. korean cars are getting better these days.

TUMPAK sir! Isa ka rin nagsasabi ng TOTOO dito ;)

Besides ang Santa Fe hindi na kailangan maglagay ng namumulang GT-V para magpa-impress at hindi kailangan magpakita ng ratio-and-proportion equation daw di gaya noong isa hehe

No further comment your honour....

[ano727]

I suggest the TS to test drive both. You can be misled by a lot of subjective feedback and comments.

What I can say is:
1. Both are good cars.
2. Both fuel efficient and powered by sufficiently powered diesel engines.
3. Both come with good toys, SF3 is 3rd gen already so expect more high tech gadgetry.
4. Monty is practically same body and engine (except VGT was added later on) from first release to present, this makes it easier to get spare parts.
5. I have driven both, SF is more car-like because it's crossover, while I am more confident driving Monty in rough roads and flood prone areas.
6. You choose any one of these cars, you will be happy with it.

Good luck with your test drive and selection.

[Retz]

Ano ba age ng TS? Age could also be a factor in deciding which SUV to choose.

[arsen]

Hi there boss!

Gaya nga nang pilit kong sinasabi sa yo idol kuno, kung Monterosport na tak-tak-tak lang ang makina meron kami (by my in-laws though, not from my own money hehe ) at kada piga ko sa silinyador idol natatawa ako, hindi tuwa ah, dahil bukod sa anemic sa power below 2000 rpm, maingay pate pag binira, at ubod ng usok si lumang 1986 pa na engine 4D56 GUARANTEED yan pards, HINDI NA KAILANGAN NA RATIO-AND-PROPORTION mo lang na computation ahihi.... Sumakay ka pa imbitado ka hehe

Why complain much if it is not from your own money.

Your in-laws just only get what they paid for. If they or others (the intended market) are willing to pay 200,000 to 250,000 pesos more to have the complete after treatment devices and precise but more expensive generic diesel modules for the engine, for sure they can get the same engine performance and power settings.

Gaya nga ng sinsasabi ko pa sa yo din, you may assume every scenario apart from what is true, yang mga pinagmamalaki mo na Monterosport, kahit pa yung may namumulang GT-V para bumenta, pag dating sa akyatan na marimi lalong hairpins o switchbacks iniiwan lang ni hinDMAXsiado kahit wastegate turbo lang ito hehe.

The road I always travel doesn't even have a single hairpin where I can gain much of something your hinDMAXsiado has to offer.
So how about sa rektahan, let say 99.9% of the time? How's your hinDMAXsiado compared to an MS? Nakakahabol ka pa ba?

Yun lang naman pards.... Ngayon idol, pakita ka ulit ng ratio-and-proportion mo ahihi.... Kahit ano pang sabihin mo pa at magpakita ka ng equation kuno kung-ano-ano para i-build up yang Monterosport idol scientist ahihi, hinding-hindi ako magsasayang ng pera ko sa bulok na Monterosport na yan idol

Cheers idol!

I am not building up the MS. It was already well built and well accepted for its intended market even before I joined Tsikot... hahaha
Someone like you is just trying to destroy it by all means... wag mo naman ako baliktarin pards....hahaha


Regarding my ratio and proportion, I just shared to you the simple reasoning behind the engine downsizing which is presently, the favorite enhancement of the manufacturer to accomplish the following:

1. Same fuel injection quantity, reduced piston* = increase in power**
*reduced sizes and weights of dynamic components, reduction in constant specific loses but quantity of usuable air for combustion is compromised thus needs early/better boost activation.
** how much increase in power to expect? try my ratio and proportion....its magical.... hahaha

2. Reduced piston but no increase of power = reduced fuel consumption (current eco cars)

3. Reduced piston and reduced power = more reduced fuel consumption to comply with more strict emission regulation


Kung alam mo na sana....
More cheers!

[bjreyesmd]

New Hyundai/Kia diesel engines are fitted with a close-coupled DPF (diesel particulate filter) as "standard component". See the sample of close-coupled particulate filter in the photo.

DPFs together with multiple high temp sensors will add somewhere between 150,000 to 200,000 pesos (or more) to the vehicle cost which is of course passed on to the buyer. The DPFs gives freedom to ECU programmer to apply the so-called near-instantaneous throttle response control setting without the occurrence of billowing soot which d_mac always see when trailing the montero sport... hahaha

Vehicle owners actually paid for it but all credit goes to the manufacturer... so they are clapping... hahaha

The PHDM SF3 is not fitted with a DPF, the KDM however, is. So I guess this is not the reason for the great throttle response.

[vinj]

This thread is becoming quite... fanny.

[arsen]

The PHDM SF3 is not fitted with a DPF, the KDM however, is. So I guess this is not the reason for the great throttle response.

DPFs of Hyundai R-line engines are integral part of the engine itself. Harness are bundled. DPFs are pre-installed in the engine assembly line not in the vehicle assembly line where cheap components for the PHDM can be inserted.

PHDM is not that big or special enough to occupy a dedicated space in the engine assembly line just to cater some couple of thousand units of downgraded version. Also, Hyundai will customize??? their harnesses, ECMs and DCUs just for few thousand of units for the PHDM???

You maybe looking in the wrong place for the close-coupled DPFs. It could no longer be found underneath the vehicle like before. You have to remove the engine out of the vehicle to see the full-view of the DPF.

Hope these could be of help.... Please do read starting section 5 Aftertreatment System

Please see also the Table.2 Performance comparison... it stated there that DPF is "standard".... not optional.... otherwise meron lalabas na di kanais-nais sa tambutso.

So yes buyer will be paying for it, credit goes to Hyundai and Koreans are clapping their hands..... hahahah
If you just purchased an SF3... then.. not knowingly... you fallen into the grand planning and strategies...

[bjreyesmd]

Thank you arsen for the info on the R engines.

Anyway, wala kasi sa manual na may DPF ang PHDM, EUDM and KDM meron as per manual. Will have to re-check though kung may DPF nga. Euro II tayo, this will cause faster DPF regeneration, so far, I haven't experienced any.

BTW, I happen to have owned both Monty and SF3 so I can pretty much compare both.

[Walter]

Ignore the troll guys.

[d_mac]

The road I always travel doesn't even have a single hairpin where I can gain much of something your hinDMAXsiado has to offer.
So how about sa rektahan, let say 99.9% of the time? How's your hinDMAXsiado compared to an MS? Nakakahabol ka pa ba?

Nampucha idol na nga kita WOW! Bilis lang pala alam mo sa diretso hahahaha! NOW YOU'RE TALKING typical city boy bwahaha

Malamang ikaw din yung tipong preno nang preno sa mga corners ahihi

Regarding my ratio and proportion, I just shared to you the simple reasoning behind the engine downsizing which is presently, the favorite enhancement of the manufacturer to accomplish the following:

1. Same fuel injection quantity, reduced piston* = increase in power**
*reduced sizes and weights of dynamic components, reduction in constant specific loses but quantity of usuable air for combustion is compromised thus needs early/better boost activation.
** how much increase in power to expect? try my ratio and proportion....its magical.... hahaha

2. Reduced piston but no increase of power = reduced fuel consumption (current eco cars)

3. Reduced piston and reduced power = more reduced fuel consumption to comply with more strict emission regulation

Kung alam mo na sana....
More cheers!

YUP alam ko idol At alam ko mali sinasabi mo hehe kaya gaya nga ng sabi ko... Until now you're cluttered sa theories mo haha.... Eh kung mag-kumpara kaya tayo ng 3.0-litre D-max o Alterra fuel consumption versus yang Monterosport 2.5-litre mo. Kahit pa yung walang GT-V na Monty o Strada na 136 hp versus itong 146 hp na 3.0-litre D-max, tignan mo pare koy anong mas matipid.... Sama mo pa si hi-power GT-V mo o GLS-V Strada sa comparison. Ako pa bobolahin mo na araw araw kasama ko mga iba't-ibat 4x4 diesel pickups at isang Fortuner 3.0 D-4D sa mga services namin sa trabajo hehe.... Huwag ka kasi puros sat-sat at sa theories idol hehe....

Yun lang naman pards gaya nga ng uulitin ko pa.... Ngayon idol, pakita ka ulit ng ratio-and-proportion mo ahihi.... Kahit ano pang sabihin mo pa at magpakita ka ng equation kuno kung-ano-ano para i-build up yang Monterosport idol scientist ahihi, hinding-hindi ako magsasayang ng pera ko sa bulok na Monterosport na yan city boy


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[beni23]

Since kelan pa naging pang-asar ang city boy, promdi boy?

[joemarski]

Oh- oh... Here we go again... :duel:

[babynos01]

Hay dmax. Bago mo ipagyabang na tunog trak ang montero, please, pakingan mo muna ang tunog ng Dmax mo pwede? Mas malala pa tunog na kotse mo e. This is the second time i told you this but i guess, a person who doesnt know how to understand will still assert his arguments no matter what.
This is not theoretical, but in reality. Yes, I'm not a book lover kasi engineer ako. I'm inclined to results than theoretical explanations.
Mas malala ka pa kay Binay na nanalo sa election dahil sa ugali mo e.

Agree ako na mabilis ang dmax 3.0. I have driven one. Matipid din kapag highway.
Pero i have a test for you: Reach 180 with only you as the passenger and do the "cone test" (overtake-an mo lahat ng kotse by swerving left and right)
Second, intentionally drift in a corner at 60 kph. Just pull the handbrake and turn the wheel hard.
Third, attack a negative banked curve at 90kph. Meron sa C5 road extension.
Why am i asking you to do this? Its for you to find out. Yes the monty has a lot of body roll. TGP also pointed it out

To TS:
If you want better NVH, comfort, interior quality, more space(?), more toys, easier to drive around corners, better handling, a looker; then get the SF.
You will be breaking necks when you pass by.

If you want a hauler, pang harabas, better flood and offroad capabilities, not so good NVH (unless you deaden all doors, platform, dashboard pero ok naman), longer lasting suspensions(?), then get the montero sport.

Just get the car that suits your needs and the one which you will enjoy driving everyday

[arsen]

Hahaha ikaw talaga...

Ilang beses ka na ba napadaan dyan sa sinasabi mo na hairpin? Bitukang manok ba yung sabi mo? papuntang Camsur?
Ilang libo na ba ang mileage ng dmax mo?

Sukatin mo kung gaano kahaba ang portion ng road na bitukang manok/hairpin na yun na sinasabi mo then divide mo ng mileage ng dmax mo tapos multiply mo ng 100 para malaman mo kung ilang percent lang yan...... hahaha

See? mataas na nga yung 0.1% na estimate ko. So at 99.9% of the time you are having a lazy-lousy time with your Dmax.

Due to high engine vibrations it could be that your brain is already experiencing euphoria as early as 80kph.... at over 100kph you are already having a blown away goosebump moments... so most of the time you are not going any faster kasi solved ka na... you also end-up having better mileage....hahaha

Both the Dmax and Montero/Strada are using a generic fuel delivery and injection system made by Denso rated at:
12 to 24 cubic millimeter per engine rpm during idle
18 to 26 cubic millimeter per engine rpm at operating speed
Apply those figures to your excel sheet files na matagal mo na pinaghirapan to know the specific fuel consumption at idle/standby and each gears 1 to 5.

The vibration that discourages your brain from bringing the Dmax engine to higher RPM and the slightly high-speed gear ratios of MUA-5 tranny is giving you the better mileage.

Nampucha idol na nga kita WOW! Bilis lang pala alam mo sa diretso hahahaha! NOW YOU'RE TALKING typical city boy bwahaha

Malamang ikaw din yung tipong preno nang preno sa mga corners ahihi

YUP alam ko idol At alam ko mali sinasabi mo hehe kaya gaya nga ng sabi ko... Until now you're cluttered sa theories mo haha.... Eh kung mag-kumpara kaya tayo ng 3.0-litre D-max o Alterra fuel consumption versus yang Monterosport 2.5-litre mo. Kahit pa yung walang GT-V na Monty o Strada na 136 hp versus itong 146 hp na 3.0-litre D-max, tignan mo pare koy anong mas matipid.... Sama mo pa si hi-power GT-V mo o GLS-V Strada sa comparison. Ako pa bobolahin mo na araw araw kasama ko mga iba't-ibat 4x4 diesel pickups at isang Fortuner 3.0 D-4D sa mga services namin sa trabajo hehe.... Huwag ka kasi puros sat-sat at sa theories idol hehe....

Yun lang naman pards gaya nga ng uulitin ko pa.... Ngayon idol, pakita ka ulit ng ratio-and-proportion mo ahihi.... Kahit ano pang sabihin mo pa at magpakita ka ng equation kuno kung-ano-ano para i-build up yang Monterosport idol scientist ahihi, hinding-hindi ako magsasayang ng pera ko sa bulok na Monterosport na yan city boy
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[victorevolution]

the ts asked a query and now the crapper talker is hi jacking this thread

did the mistsu guys ever degraded the hyundai or any car automobile company when they were starting, did the korean degrade any automobile maker?

as far as i know when the korean were starting they asked for the helped of the japanese, when the korean car industry flew(somewhat) the japanese asked for their help(yes it was on the news they wanted to co develop a smaller engine together which the korean declines cause they don't want to share their tech)

the engine of the montero is old but it does the job, mausok, then you need to take care of your diesel engine more(we still own or ten year old trooper di siya mausok) why fix something old when it still does the work

sa totoo lang yung mga newer engine ang kinakatakot ko, not proven kasi but what am i to do, i cannot stop progress, hence warranty

dmac all i can see is that you hate the montero for some unknown reason (saw it ever since the suzuki thread, if you just hate the people giving praise to it don't hate the car man) just shut it and keep your opinion to yourself(with regards to the montero), as usual madaming montero owners na magagalit sa mga pinagsasabi mo, degrading their car which is the next capital investment after a house.

help the ts and shut the hell up

for the ts montero(rumors of 2014-15 all new design) v trailblazer v everest(incoming all new) v alterra(incomming new but same engine pa din daw) v fortunner(incoming all new) (that's the league)- if you have time to wait it out wait do not buy but if not but the trailblazer why so you could be different

sta fe v ford explorer v cx9 v prado(i explained it before) for me explorer hands down not a gas guzzler as it was used to be. the only thing going for the sta fe is the diesel (no idea if they released it here though)

our fleet:

suzuki apv 2011
toyota hi ace 2007
incoming explorer(ipapalit kay prado sasakyan ng mga bisitang investors)
incoming trailblazer(ipapalit kay trooper)
chevy camaro 2012
isuzu trooper 1990
wrangler jeep(gas) 19ewan square headlamps
land cruiser prado 2007(gas)