Below 1m Family Car Budget: Honda Mobilio 1.5 V CVT vs. Honda BRV-S CVT vs. Isuzu 2017 Crosswind XT Black Series

[playplugg]

wow! how often do you do this sir? doesn't this damage the transmission in the long run? no problems so far?

Sir jasonrey,

Semi OT:

Hindi po lahat ng mga transmission, merong ganitong safety features, any brand or transmission between AT/MT..

Sa vios namin na non-dual AT, walang ganyang features, from full stop, pero once naka N, aabot sa 7K Redline RPM, then once na binababa sa D, malakas na kalabog na parang kakalas ang makina at transmission sa chassis...

Pero once nasa highway at accidental na ilagay sa R ang transmission, hindi yan tutuloy sa Reverse

Pero sa Montero namin na 4x4 MT, once na engaged ang clutch sa 1st or Reverse Gear, fully depressed, limit lang ng 3K RPM..pag full stop or less 20KPH..


Merong "Drivetrain protection"

wala man sa owners manual.. kahit sa specs..

iba-iba ang terminology.. pero yan ang pinaka-hidden safety features, para hindi masira ang lahat ng components related sa engine at transmission

[benru3tps]

TS,
Same lang tau ng choices sir. Been wanting to create a thread just like this a month ago buti nlang you started it na.

Crosswind: least of my options kc pa phase out na, ok sna pg diesel ms mura sa gas kaso imho mhirap alagaan diesel kc sakin gagamitin araw araw bka ma "smoke belcher" agad.

Innova: 2nd option, nalalakihan lng me(coming from a kia picanto former driver) kc bka minsan ako lng sakay wla ako mcarpool my gas budget would be higher kc 2.0, f diesel nman 2.8 w/c is halos parehas din ata kc maski mura diesel bigger displacement nman

Brv: base variant has lots better features than innova of same price level. Will have a test drive of it later 9am at honda dasma.i'll post later 😎

[erebus]

TS,
Same lang tau ng choices sir. Been wanting to create a thread just like this a month ago buti nlang you started it na.

Crosswind: least of my options kc pa phase out na, ok sna pg diesel ms mura sa gas kaso imho mhirap alagaan diesel kc sakin gagamitin araw araw bka ma "smoke belcher" agad.

Innova: 2nd option, nalalakihan lng me(coming from a kia picanto former driver) kc bka minsan ako lng sakay wla ako mcarpool my gas budget would be higher kc 2.0, f diesel nman 2.8 w/c is halos parehas din ata kc maski mura diesel bigger displacement nman

Brv: base variant has lots better features than innova of same price level. Will have a test drive of it later 9am at honda dasma.i'll post later 😎

Uuuy! Nice to know that we're not the only one having this dilemma. Let us know about your test drive. So far, Crosswind is out of the picture. It's neck and neck between Innova J Diesel and BRV-S. Mag-test drive naman kami sa weekend, pag-uwi ko nang Pinas.

[Calistro]

Kahit anong kumpara gawin ninyo, di niyo matutumbasan ang kahalagahang dala ng espasyo ng innova sa katumbas na perang halaga nito. Kung pamilya ang isasakay mo, siguradong espasyo ang kailangan mo.

[erebus]

TS,
Same lang tau ng choices sir. Been wanting to create a thread just like this a month ago buti nlang you started it na.

Crosswind: least of my options kc pa phase out na, ok sna pg diesel ms mura sa gas kaso imho mhirap alagaan diesel kc sakin gagamitin araw araw bka ma "smoke belcher" agad.

Innova: 2nd option, nalalakihan lng me(coming from a kia picanto former driver) kc bka minsan ako lng sakay wla ako mcarpool my gas budget would be higher kc 2.0, f diesel nman 2.8 w/c is halos parehas din ata kc maski mura diesel bigger displacement nman

Brv: base variant has lots better features than innova of same price level. Will have a test drive of it later 9am at honda dasma.i'll post later 😎

Sir benru3tps! Kamusta ang BRV test drive nyo?

[jut703]

wow! how often do you do this sir? doesn't this damage the transmission in the long run? no problems so far?

Yes it will. You should NEVER rev the car in neutral and then suddenly shift to D. That's a surefire recipe for premature transmission failure.

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[Egan101]

Yes it will. You should NEVER rev the car in neutral and then suddenly shift to D. That's a surefire recipe for premature transmission failure.

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Good luck to the person doing this. He can kiss his car's tranny good bye. Hehehehe

[BlancNoir]

Good luck to the person doing this. He can kiss his car's tranny good bye. Hehehehe

But isn't cvt fluid poisonous?

Might as well kiss the earth goodbye rin. HAHA corny

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[jasonrey]

Yes it will. You should NEVER rev the car in neutral and then suddenly shift to D. That's a surefire recipe for premature transmission failure.

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that's why I asked him earlier. but maybe it didn't fail or no problem yet, for now.

[playplugg]

Hehehe..

Semi OT:

Roasting the ATF in D position while full stop, traffic man or idle, within 45mins-1HR. at nakatapak sa brake pedal or gamit ang handbrake?

or ilagay sa N, at sobrang nagmamadali, di maiiwasan na kumalabog ang AT lalo kung nakatapak sa accelerator pedal, once na engaged sa D..

[erebus]

Sir erebus,

Good choice ang 3 vehicles, 2 advanced features, 1 old school pero very reliable.

Mobilio,

Since eto yung na drive ko, never ko pa na-drive ang BRV, ok naman ang performance, mabilis ang response, then kahit i-floor ang throttle from N, i will limit to 4K RPM, then pag binaba sa D, 2 seconds delay at sisibat agad..

ang pinaka-weird sa Mobilo, yung shift knob, walang light illumination pag ginamit ito sa night-driving..

kung sa space naman, ang sacrifice lang talaga yung legroom dun sa middle seat, lalo kung matangkad ng nagmamaneho.. tapos matangkad pa ang sasakay...

Crosswind,

Hindi lang ito tatagal ng 10yrs, yung iba earlier model bago mag-crosswind (highlander) lagpas 20yrs na.. at tumatakbo pa rin sa kalsada..


Ang pro and cons lang naman sa dalawa,

mas advanced ang 2 model, mas maraming safety features, pero mas matindi ang maintenance cost, dahil drive-by-wire na..
unlike sa old-school, mechanical type, less complicated pag dating sa maintenance, pero, yung safety features lang talaga ang lack dito...

If ever less than 1M ang budget,

Pwede naman mag-scout for 2nd hand PPV SUV..

at least 2-3yrs late model (2014-2015 or next year, 2015-2016)

Pwede sa mga repossessed banks or loan agency, pero ang risk lang dun, as-is-where-is.
or dun sa family, relative or even friend at kakilala na merong maalaga sa sasakyan, much better..

lalo kung pa-migrate sa ibang bansa at less than a month pa lang ito nabili..

Thanks Sir Playplugg for the input. Do you own a Mobilio? Cost of maintennance ang isa pa din naming tinitingnan na aspect ngayon. Kung kaya ba namin ang maintennance cost for an AT vehicle. Lalo na balita namin, medyo mahal ang maintennance ng Honda cars. Ito pa ang isang nilamang ni Innova, dahil M/T at mas common, medyo mas mura ang maintennance.

[StockEngine]

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Sir StockEngine..

Kung below 30KPH, hindi naman po masama from D ilagay sa N, vise versa..

pero pag dating sa highspeed, yan talaga po ang pinakamalakas makasira sa AT, due to strain...

at hindi talaga advisable yan, once na magkaroon failure sa simpleng sensor, talagang problema yan..

kaya po merong D-3-2-L or +/-

in case po ng ultimate emergency, pwede i-override ang AT, at gamitin ang Manual mode..

[Calistro]

Haven't seen the BRVs interior until earlier there was a display unit in Southmall. Didn't know that it had the exact interior of the Mobilio. I didn't like driving it at night(mobilio), felt like it needed more illumination on the instruments especially the shift lever panel.

The innova's body on frame suspension is tough but forgiving. Isn't as floaty as PPVs but better suited for our roads than the mobilio/brv IMO. Space is also cavernous.

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[ieddam]

Haven't seen the BRVs interior until earlier there was a display unit in Southmall. Didn't know that it had the exact interior of the Mobilio. I didn't like driving it at night(mobilio), felt like it needed more illumination on the instruments especially the shift lever panel.

The innova's body on frame suspension is tough but forgiving. Isn't as floaty as PPVs but better suited for our roads than the mobilio/brv IMO. Space is also cavernous.

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The illumination on the shift lever was my concern too at first, pero after 3 months you get used to the different shift positions. I agree though ilaw lang di man lang nila nilagyan. Kung comfort habol mo Innova talaga kasi sa BR-V ramdam na ramdam mo yung kalsada lalo na kung hindi fully loaded.

[Walter]

If you can ""feel"" the road at the 3rd row, it's either high tire pressure or no so much sound insulation ...

[benru3tps]

Lets say 40kms per day driving(back&forth bgc-cavite), the diesel innova would be more economical but wont it be more costly in the long run due to regular maintenance costs. Iv heard diesels are costlier&harder to maintain.

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[jut703]

Lets say 40kms per day driving(back&forth bgc-cavite), the diesel innova would be more economical but wont it be more costly in the long run due to regular maintenance costs. Iv heard diesels are costlier&harder to maintain.

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Nope. The only thing that costs more with regular diesel maintenance is that it uses more oil. A gas engine uses 4-5L of oil. A diesel engine uses 6-8L. So at P300/L then you spend an extra 600 per PMS which is far less than what you save on fuel.

A turbo and injectors are expensive to replace but many, many modern diesel engine owners haven't had to replace their turbos even after hundreds of thousands of km.

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[dr. d]

Lets say 40kms per day driving(back&forth bgc-cavite), the diesel innova would be more economical but wont it be more costly in the long run due to regular maintenance costs. Iv heard diesels are costlier&harder to maintain.

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you heard wrong, sir.
errr... sino ba ang nagkakalat nito? diesel owners, o gas owners?
heh heh.

my 2005 diesel innova's engine hasn't needed anything done on her since new and 120K km ago.
just the 5K km oil change.

[bochokoks123]

Lets say 40kms per day driving(back&forth bgc-cavite), the diesel innova would be more economical but wont it be more costly in the long run due to regular maintenance costs. Iv heard diesels are costlier&harder to maintain.

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I now drive a car na gasoline unlike before eh diesel yung dinadrive ko. Cost wise mas magastos talaga yung gasoline and mas maaappreciate mo yun if nadrive mo parehas at binubudget mo na yung pera mo for the car's expenses. If I were you I'll get the Innova. Just my opinion

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