MVPMAP's PhUV feedback thread

[devildog]

One member of the Tsikot PhUV design roundtable actually offered to help MVPMAP board last January (even before this Tsikot Design and Research forum was created) but was unceremoniously ignored. Now they are getting the flak, so let's hope they have begun to appreciate the fact that designers are indispensable in the overall process.

MVPMAP is composed of parts manufacturers, and IMHO, their fundamental error was to mistake the part for the whole.

The good news is that one of the twelve companies involved in producing the MVPMAP PhUV is already in touch with us offline and listening intently to what this Design Forum has to say to save their PhUV.

Even as we are intent on developing our own Tsikot PhUV, sure! - for love of country - Tsikoteers CAN and WILL help save MVPMAP's newborn baby. And in case you hadn't noticed, we are actually at it already.

[SIZE=1]Let's call it Project "Saklolo". Joke lang.[/SIZE]

Perhaps you can contact that company and request a meeting. Lots of good ideas here. Complete with illustration pa. Believe ako sa mga dedicated members nyo. Probably better to do it soon.

[dprox]

Perhaps you can contact that company and request a meeting. Lots of good ideas here. Complete with illustration pa. Believe ako sa mga dedicated members nyo. Probably better to do it soon.

As I said, one of the companies has already contacted us. It's the MVPMAP board and the MVPMAP PhUV Technical Working Group, IMO, that still has a problem -- ie, designers simply do not enter into their paradigms. Or maybe they still think their auto engineers and tinsmiths can hack it.

It's up for the MVPMAP board or TWG to contact the Tsikot Design roundtable -- when they wake up and realize they were using only their left brain to build the PhUV. (Francisco Motors must be feverishly reviewing its own PhUV design. To them we say: don't fall into the same pit. People have said they aren't going to buy another Anfra.)

Meanwhile, the recommendations by Tsikot roundtable members are submitted here in good faith, in order to be of help. They can either take it ... or leave it.

[rmb]

wow i'm impressed! some minor alterations here and there and suddenly the phuv is now much more appealing to me. good job!

you overlooked the interior lalo na iyong dashboard,they should take idea from amc hummer,it has nice looking dashboard.

[drey]

sir rmb, the materials used in the AMC hammer is not so good in my opinion. Pero maganda sya. Hoping that we could learn from the feedbacks.

[rmb]

sir rmb, the materials used in the AMC hammer is not so good in my opinion. Pero maganda sya. Hoping that we could learn from the feedbacks.

still the amc hummer dashboard is much better than proposed phuv,i would be glad if they could do better than amc hummer and that is most welcome.

[dprox]

you overlooked the interior lalo na iyong dashboard,they should take idea from amc hummer,it has nice looking dashboard.

Hello rmb.
Which vehicle are you referring to,

American Motors Corp / AMGeneral AMG HUMMER
made in Mishawaka, Indiana USA
or
Alana Motors Corp AMC HAMMER
replicas made in Lucena City ?

Please clarify: HU or HA ?
Thanks.

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MVPMAP suppliers in the PhUV launch told yours truly that the Instrument Panel (aka "dashboard") of the PhUV came with the Foton cab-chassis platform - a package deal provided by Dreamco Motors. The Foton-Gordox is a light commercial vehicle, and China's attempt to build its own version of the L300 FB.
There's an item in INQ7 on this. Check http://money.inquirer.net/announceme...6&dd=07&file=1
Some pics at http://www.esale.ph/cars/foton_gordo..._look_2712.htm

[rmb]

Hello rmb.
Which vehicle are you referring to,

American Motors Corp / AMGeneral AMG HUMMER
made in Mishawaka, Indiana USA
or
Alana Motors Corp AMC HAMMER
replicas made in Lucena City ?

Please clarify: HU or HA ?
Thanks.

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MVPMAP suppliers in the PhUV launch told yours truly that the Instrument Panel (aka "dashboard") of the PhUV came with the Foton cab-chassis platform - a package deal provided by Dreamco Motors. The Foton-Gordox is a light commercial vehicle, and China's attempt to build its own version of the L300 FB.
There's an item in INQ7 on this. Check http://money.inquirer.net/announceme...6&dd=07&file=1
Some pics at http://www.esale.ph/cars/foton_gordo..._look_2712.htm

the one from alana motors corp. it's made locally,right?its good enough if they can do better,that is most welcome aside from the suggestions by the other forumers.

[dprox]

Another way of putting it is that the PhUV is running on a chinese platform (L300 clone) and a chinese power train (Isuzu clone). PhUV couldn't have been built from scratch, given the very recent entry of the Foton into the Philippine scene. Dreamco offered the platform only last February, if memory serves. (NB: In case you hadn't noticed, the Chinese invasion had begun.)

Bigboy carmakers take about five years to develop new models. MVPMAP took less than that number in months! I don't know if you can consider that an achievement. But I'll be kind and say it was certainly a valiant effort worth some recognition. It's like Aguinaldo's ragtag army attired in full rayadillo outfits, attacking with bolos and wearing birthday boots. Any Filipino who says those guys weren't heroic aint worth kamote. My gratitude and sympathies go to those first revolutionaries.

Anyway, now you know why you and I keep getting that uncanny feeling that it was a rush job. With the time allocation for design the size of peanuts, you can only achieve so much.

No, it's not an excuse.
It's a beginning.

[dprox]

the one from alana motors corp. it's made locally,right?its good enough if they can do better,that is most welcome aside from the suggestions by the other forumers.

The Alana Hammer has its merits, its niche, and its place in Philippine automotive history. It also has its own thread in this design forum, even if - being a replica - it is not an original Pilipino design.
I have promoted it in some other forum, but I don't think it is within the price range we are considering for the PhUV. It's at least PhP600K, and runs on a surplus Patrol/Safari platform. The fact that it's beyond the PhUV price range makes it OT in a PhUV thread.
BUT let me make this OT pitch: Folks who can afford a Hammer should by all means order one. It's made in the Philippines and will generate jobs in the Philippines. That's the bottom line, isn't it?
Anyway, I hope Jappy Alana and his partners are still open to platforms and designs alternative to the Humvee clone.

[oldblue]

Here are my comments and suggestions about the MVPMAP PhUV:




The side grooves and the recess in the panels and bumpers add horizontal lines to the body that make the PhUV look less tall. Bigger windows, bevel around side windows and a lower cowl makes the PhUV look more balanced and less massive. The increase in the downward angle of the front fenders to set it apart from the middle of the hood makes the hood surface look more interesting.

i agree with the sharp edges. it can stab a pedestrian at 30kph

[hein]

The good news is that one of the twelve companies involved in producing the MVPMAP PhUV is already in touch with us offline and listening intently to what this Design Forum has to say to save their PhUV.

Ya, you can ask them why they are using OLD rusty parts in a BRAND NEW car?


The gear shift lever looked like some left-over part from an MVPMAP warehouse that has been rotting for years. They finally found some use for their old stuff...the PHUV!!!

Nakita ko reaction ni GMA when she saw the interior. Mura naman ang PYLOX sana man lang pinintura lang. NAKAKAHIYA.

[hein]

This too....



Passing off old PARTS as NEW is a crime. Its called FRAUD.

[rmb]

Ya, you can ask them why they are using OLD rusty parts in a BRAND NEW car?


The gear shift lever looked like some left-over part from an MVPMAP warehouse that has been rotting for years. They finally found some use for their old stuff...the PHUV!!!

Nakita ko reaction ni GMA when she saw the interior. Mura naman ang PYLOX sana man lang pinintura lang. NAKAKAHIYA.

overall design i like it and im interested.but its beyond my worst expectation
i hope they would consider suggestions pointed out in this forum.i want this project to succeed because its one source of pride for the filipinos.i suggest also to provide divider(i dont know the right term)where the gearstick is located as storage and glass holder.look at the gearstick,its horrible...

[rmb]

Another way of putting it is that the PhUV is running on a chinese platform (L300 clone) and a chinese power train (Isuzu clone). PhUV couldn't have been built from scratch, given the very recent entry of the Foton into the Philippine scene. Dreamco offered the platform only last February, if memory serves. (NB: In case you hadn't noticed, the Chinese invasion had begun.)

Bigboy carmakers take about five years to develop new models. MVPMAP took less than that number in months! I don't know if you can consider that an achievement. But I'll be kind and say it was certainly a valiant effort worth some recognition. It's like Aguinaldo's ragtag army attired in full rayadillo outfits, attacking with bolos and wearing birthday boots. Any Filipino who says those guys weren't heroic aint worth kamote. My gratitude and sympathies go to those first revolutionaries.

Anyway, now you know why you and I keep getting that uncanny feeling that it was a rush job. With the time allocation for design the size of peanuts, you can only achieve so much.

No, it's not an excuse.
It's a beginning.

have you seen the hummer3?,i prefer that one,it's smaller in size about the size of toyota4runner its also boxy,so it easy for alana to copy it.

[ogpro]

This too....



Passing off old PARTS as NEW is a crime. Its called FRAUD.

Hein, do you have any positive feedback? Or maybe suggestions on how they can make it better?

[Helios]

Rounding of some edges? Poblema nga nila yun in the first place as previously admitted by Mr Santos? Why not round or bevel most of the prominent edges and corners including some in the interior? What would you suggest they do to learn the technology?

Ya, you can ask them why they are using OLD rusty parts in a BRAND NEW car?

Can you not see, Hein that it's a design statement emphasizing the 3 R's> recycling, reuse & renewal. It's brilliant in a way bec at the same time it helps to promote the protection of our environment. GMA frowned at the idea bec it wasn't part of her campaign.

This too....

Passing off old PARTS as NEW is a crime. Its called FRAUD.

Gosh, it's not fraud my friend but rather it's a unique feature. And a bold one at that which opposes commercialism and capitalism.
Enough being a critic mi amigo and start helping us carry the burden- it's all Bayanihan spirit from hereon.

[oldblue]

maybe we should start on a mini-car like the chinese, instead of auv

[niky]

Recycle, yes... but use items without stripping the rust? No.

Yes, it was a rush job, but it should have been possible to work a little more on the finishing. Remember, this is a presentation to the public. It's a good thing the vehicle was behind ropes on the second day, because the rust and finish on the interior would not have impressed them.

The point of the prototype is to convince the government and the public that the PhUV is a viable purchase option and has the potential for commercial success. It's a given that the design will not be up to foreign standards, but we should expect workmanship to be top-notch.

They should reset the timetable to make time for a final development prototype. If they still plan to go full-steam before the end of this year, they'll need to produce a newer prototype to generate more positive buzz and to ensure sales.

Besides a full-bodied AUV-alternative, the MVPMAP should also plan for a cargo version, or a side-bench type vehicle.

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Criticism is not a bad thing. It helps to to discuss these problems, and to figure out those that can be fixed, and those that can't. Even if you think a problem can't be fixed within the budget, maybe an outsider's viewpoint could help show a different way of tackling it.

Keep it coming people.

[orly_andico]

The really sucky thing is that, five minutes with a Dremel and some 600-grit sandpaper, and we'd all be ooh-ing and ahh-ing the shiny chrome gearshift lever rather than lambasting it.

I should know, I've polished enough metal bits in my life to know it's not rocket science or even particularly hard labor.

This only goes to show -- the MVPMAP prototype was done without any attention to detail. Nakakahiya.

[Helios]

I agree healthy criticism is essential and so should be accepted just as much as a healthy praise. But stating what's already been obvious or repeated for whatever reason wouldn't sound like a positive reinforcement, right? I would suggest Hein and everyone else to look for other anomalies that hasn't been noticed yet. Otherwise offering inputs or motivation for the team would be preferable at this point.

btw I was being positive (not sarcastic but I'd like to be) about the rusted thingies and the other "creative" stuff mvpmap has managed to come up in such a short amount of time. perhaps give them the benefit of a doubt, they're listening now, anyway and finally.