MVPMAP's PhUV feedback thread

[devildog]

One member of the Tsikot PhUV design roundtable actually offered to help MVPMAP board last January (even before this Tsikot Design and Research forum was created) but was unceremoniously ignored. Now they are getting the flak, so let's hope they have begun to appreciate the fact that designers are indispensable in the overall process.

MVPMAP is composed of parts manufacturers, and IMHO, their fundamental error was to mistake the part for the whole.

The good news is that one of the twelve companies involved in producing the MVPMAP PhUV is already in touch with us offline and listening intently to what this Design Forum has to say to save their PhUV.

Even as we are intent on developing our own Tsikot PhUV, sure! - for love of country - Tsikoteers CAN and WILL help save MVPMAP's newborn baby. And in case you hadn't noticed, we are actually at it already.

[SIZE=1]Let's call it Project "Saklolo". Joke lang.[/SIZE]

Perhaps you can contact that company and request a meeting. Lots of good ideas here. Complete with illustration pa. Believe ako sa mga dedicated members nyo. Probably better to do it soon.

[dprox]

Perhaps you can contact that company and request a meeting. Lots of good ideas here. Complete with illustration pa. Believe ako sa mga dedicated members nyo. Probably better to do it soon.

As I said, one of the companies has already contacted us. It's the MVPMAP board and the MVPMAP PhUV Technical Working Group, IMO, that still has a problem -- ie, designers simply do not enter into their paradigms. Or maybe they still think their auto engineers and tinsmiths can hack it.

It's up for the MVPMAP board or TWG to contact the Tsikot Design roundtable -- when they wake up and realize they were using only their left brain to build the PhUV. (Francisco Motors must be feverishly reviewing its own PhUV design. To them we say: don't fall into the same pit. People have said they aren't going to buy another Anfra.)

Meanwhile, the recommendations by Tsikot roundtable members are submitted here in good faith, in order to be of help. They can either take it ... or leave it.

[rmb]

wow i'm impressed! some minor alterations here and there and suddenly the phuv is now much more appealing to me. good job!

you overlooked the interior lalo na iyong dashboard,they should take idea from amc hummer,it has nice looking dashboard.

[drey]

sir rmb, the materials used in the AMC hammer is not so good in my opinion. Pero maganda sya. Hoping that we could learn from the feedbacks.

[rmb]

sir rmb, the materials used in the AMC hammer is not so good in my opinion. Pero maganda sya. Hoping that we could learn from the feedbacks.

still the amc hummer dashboard is much better than proposed phuv,i would be glad if they could do better than amc hummer and that is most welcome.

[dprox]

you overlooked the interior lalo na iyong dashboard,they should take idea from amc hummer,it has nice looking dashboard.

Hello rmb.
Which vehicle are you referring to,

American Motors Corp / AMGeneral AMG HUMMER
made in Mishawaka, Indiana USA
or
Alana Motors Corp AMC HAMMER
replicas made in Lucena City ?

Please clarify: HU or HA ?
Thanks.

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MVPMAP suppliers in the PhUV launch told yours truly that the Instrument Panel (aka "dashboard") of the PhUV came with the Foton cab-chassis platform - a package deal provided by Dreamco Motors. The Foton-Gordox is a light commercial vehicle, and China's attempt to build its own version of the L300 FB.
There's an item in INQ7 on this. Check http://money.inquirer.net/announceme...6&dd=07&file=1
Some pics at http://www.esale.ph/cars/foton_gordo..._look_2712.htm

[rmb]

Hello rmb.
Which vehicle are you referring to,

American Motors Corp / AMGeneral AMG HUMMER
made in Mishawaka, Indiana USA
or
Alana Motors Corp AMC HAMMER
replicas made in Lucena City ?

Please clarify: HU or HA ?
Thanks.

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MVPMAP suppliers in the PhUV launch told yours truly that the Instrument Panel (aka "dashboard") of the PhUV came with the Foton cab-chassis platform - a package deal provided by Dreamco Motors. The Foton-Gordox is a light commercial vehicle, and China's attempt to build its own version of the L300 FB.
There's an item in INQ7 on this. Check http://money.inquirer.net/announceme...6&dd=07&file=1
Some pics at http://www.esale.ph/cars/foton_gordo..._look_2712.htm

the one from alana motors corp. it's made locally,right?its good enough if they can do better,that is most welcome aside from the suggestions by the other forumers.

[dprox]

Another way of putting it is that the PhUV is running on a chinese platform (L300 clone) and a chinese power train (Isuzu clone). PhUV couldn't have been built from scratch, given the very recent entry of the Foton into the Philippine scene. Dreamco offered the platform only last February, if memory serves. (NB: In case you hadn't noticed, the Chinese invasion had begun.)

Bigboy carmakers take about five years to develop new models. MVPMAP took less than that number in months! I don't know if you can consider that an achievement. But I'll be kind and say it was certainly a valiant effort worth some recognition. It's like Aguinaldo's ragtag army attired in full rayadillo outfits, attacking with bolos and wearing birthday boots. Any Filipino who says those guys weren't heroic aint worth kamote. My gratitude and sympathies go to those first revolutionaries.

Anyway, now you know why you and I keep getting that uncanny feeling that it was a rush job. With the time allocation for design the size of peanuts, you can only achieve so much.

No, it's not an excuse.
It's a beginning.

[dprox]

the one from alana motors corp. it's made locally,right?its good enough if they can do better,that is most welcome aside from the suggestions by the other forumers.

The Alana Hammer has its merits, its niche, and its place in Philippine automotive history. It also has its own thread in this design forum, even if - being a replica - it is not an original Pilipino design.
I have promoted it in some other forum, but I don't think it is within the price range we are considering for the PhUV. It's at least PhP600K, and runs on a surplus Patrol/Safari platform. The fact that it's beyond the PhUV price range makes it OT in a PhUV thread.
BUT let me make this OT pitch: Folks who can afford a Hammer should by all means order one. It's made in the Philippines and will generate jobs in the Philippines. That's the bottom line, isn't it?
Anyway, I hope Jappy Alana and his partners are still open to platforms and designs alternative to the Humvee clone.

[oldblue]

Here are my comments and suggestions about the MVPMAP PhUV:




The side grooves and the recess in the panels and bumpers add horizontal lines to the body that make the PhUV look less tall. Bigger windows, bevel around side windows and a lower cowl makes the PhUV look more balanced and less massive. The increase in the downward angle of the front fenders to set it apart from the middle of the hood makes the hood surface look more interesting.

i agree with the sharp edges. it can stab a pedestrian at 30kph