MRT Thread

[uls]

Between the two I'd choose America anytime!

cool

akala ko ayaw niyo din sa kano

sabi kasi ng isa:

Filipinos have been resisting American bondage for decades. Kaya nga nawala ang Clark at Subic diba. May famous quote pa nga si Quezon tungkol diyan diba. Kaya nga maraming galit kay mga dating admin kasi malapit sa US diba.

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Simple lang naman comparison ng china vs America. It's choosing the lesser evil, kahit siguro yun mga 16M na voters kung tanungin America pipiliin nila kung sino gusto nila sumakop sa atin.

exactly

[kagalingan]

nagbobolahan pa tayo dito eh.... noypi ayaw sa america?????

be specific.... ang naghahype lang na ayaw sa kano eh mga tibak ng updilim.... tibak ng pup sta mesa.... tibak ng pamantasan ng lungsod ng maynila.....

Pero gusto ko makakita na tibak na tiga crc, lasalle, ateneo, na ayaw sa america....

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hindi porket nakita nyo sa tv na may nagwewelga against "america not anymore united" eh yun na sentimiento ng majority...

pucha punta kayo american embassy..... ambabait ng mga pinoy akala mo madededball pag hindi naapprove.... eh ako sinisisiw ko lang yan.... yung koreana terror pa nag-interview sa akin... nagtawanan pa kami.....

[_Cathy_]

Simple lang naman comparison ng china vs America. It's choosing the lesser evil, kahit siguro yun mga 16M na voters kung tanungin America pipiliin nila kung sino gusto nila sumakop sa atin.


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For me it's good (US) vs evil (China)

Ano ang TIBAK?

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[Flipo]

nagbobolahan pa tayo dito eh.... noypi ayaw sa america?????

be specific.... ang naghahype lang na ayaw sa kano eh mga tibak ng updilim.... tibak ng pup sta mesa.... tibak ng pamantasan ng lungsod ng maynila.....

Pero gusto ko makakita na tibak na tiga crc, lasalle, ateneo, na ayaw sa america....

- - - -

hindi porket nakita nyo sa tv na may nagwewelga against "america not anymore united" eh yun na sentimiento ng majority...

pucha punta kayo american embassy..... ambabait ng mga pinoy akala mo madededball pag hindi naapprove.... eh ako sinisisiw ko lang yan.... yung koreana terror pa nag-interview sa akin... nagtawanan pa kami.....

Yung poon lang naman ng DE De ES ang nagkaroon ng malaking hugot ng ma-deny ang visa application niya!

Dapat magpakatotoo na siya at huwag niyang ipahamak ang bansa!

[uls]

For me it's good (US) vs evil (China)

exactly

eh kung may presidente magsabi ibebenta niya ang Pinas sa Amerika para maging estado tayo ng Amerika

ano kaya reaction ng mga pinoy?

YEHEY!!!!!

conclusion:


this isn't coz ayaw ng mga tao maging part tayo ng ibang bansa (so much for independence and nationalism)

this is simply coz ayaw ng mga tao sa China

[Monseratto]

For me it's good (US) vs evil (China)

Ano ang TIBAK?

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Tell that to Duterte and his ego...

[kagalingan]

tibak = aktibista... soon to be new peoples army....

may nakasama pa ako tibak dati ang hilig pumunta ng starbucks at gimikan.... patibak effect lang...

[Flipo]

conclusion:

this isn't coz ayaw ng mga tao maging part tayo ng ibang bansa (so much for independence and nationalism)

this is simply coz ayaw ng mga tao sa China

Para sa akin and I'm sure maraming Pinoy na gusto nilang malaya kaysa mapailalim ka sa ibang bansa.

Parang ganito yan, kahit na may biyenan kang mayaman, mas maganda pa rin ang nakabukod ka kaysa nakatira ka sa kanilang palasyo na di mo magawang magprito ng tuyo at kumain ng bagoong.

I Know you you know what is right but you are sitting on the fence and advocating devils insinuation.

In the Bible you call this; James 4: 17
New Living Translation
Remember, it is sin to know what you ought to do and then not do it.

[cast_no_shadow]

O mods rename na natin itong thread or merge na dun sa isa [emoji23][emoji23]


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[jut703]

cool

akala ko ayaw niyo din sa kano

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exactly

When did I say that in a choice between China and the US, Filipinos won't choose the US?

Again, you're reducing everything to dichotomies to suit your arguments.

There are many Filipinos against China annexation, just as there are mant Filipinos against US annexation. Between the two, more would be against China than the US. As shadow said, the US will be seen as the lesser evil between the two.

But if given the choice between sovereignty, US annexation, and China annexation, it's safe to assume that more people will still choose sovereignty. And besides, no country will annex you without benefits for their end - so will we truly end up better off should we be subjugated by whoever country?

Oh, and if you want to pick apart my arguments, quote my reply directly instead of editing it out. Don't be a passive aggressive keyboard warrior. Parang all bark no bite ang dating eh.

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[shadow]

nagbobolahan pa tayo dito eh.... noypi ayaw sa america?????

be specific.... ang naghahype lang na ayaw sa kano eh mga tibak ng updilim.... tibak ng pup sta mesa.... tibak ng pamantasan ng lungsod ng maynila.....

Pero gusto ko makakita na tibak na tiga crc, lasalle, ateneo, na ayaw sa america....

- - - -

hindi porket nakita nyo sa tv na may nagwewelga against "america not anymore united" eh yun na sentimiento ng majority...

pucha punta kayo american embassy..... ambabait ng mga pinoy akala mo madededball pag hindi naapprove.... eh ako sinisisiw ko lang yan.... yung koreana terror pa nag-interview sa akin... nagtawanan pa kami.....

Urban legend yan Korean consul na sinasabi mo. [emoji15]


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[shadow]

When did I say that in a choice between China and the US, Filipinos won't choose the US?

Again, you're reducing everything to dichotomies to suit your arguments.

There are many Filipinos against China annexation, just as there are mant Filipinos against US annexation. Between the two, more would be against China than the US. As shadow said, the US will be seen as the lesser evil between the two.

But if given the choice between sovereignty, US annexation, and China annexation, it's safe to assume that more people will still choose sovereignty. And besides, no country will annex you without benefits for their end - so will we truly end up better off should we be subjugated by whoever country?

Oh, and if you want to pick apart my arguments, quote my reply directly instead of editing it out. Don't be a passive aggressive keyboard warrior. Parang all bark no bite ang dating eh.

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Yes. It's just choosing the lesser evil Lang talaga, siyempre they both have their own agendas/ self interest.


Ako talaga gusto US. Para meron na rin tayo snow. Baka kasi Fake snow ng china eh.

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[kagalingan]

Urban legend yan Korean consul na sinasabi mo. [emoji15]

hindi ko gets?

Nung ininterview ako hindi ko alam na terror sya nun.

Late pa ako dumating sa embassy and after 15-30minutes tinawag agad ako.. Nauna pa ako sa mga nauna sa akin....

sisiw na 10years multiple entry..

[shadow]

hindi ko gets?

Nung ininterview ako hindi ko alam na terror sya nun.

Late pa ako dumating sa embassy and after 15-30minutes tinawag agad ako.. Nauna pa ako sa mga nauna sa akin....

Sabi lang ng mga na-deny na terror yan.


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[dreamur]

hindi ko gets?

Nung ininterview ako hindi ko alam na terror sya nun.

Late pa ako dumating sa embassy and after 15-30minutes tinawag agad ako.. Nauna pa ako sa mga nauna sa akin....

sisiw na 10years multiple entry..

Bullsh!t. Fake news! You have a time slot in US the embassy. If you are late, you will not be allowed entry. No pic=?

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[kagalingan]

sorry ka na lang dreamy..... eh pinapasok ako eh... by the way im not alone.... may kasama ako mas matanda sa akin na sinamahan ako...

That was year 2002..... ginising pa ako nun kasi galing sa gimik.... malelate na ako so wala na goli direcho palit damit na agad.... pero nalate pa din eh...

[shadow]

sorry ka na lang dreamy..... eh pinapasok ako eh... by the way im not alone.... may kasama ako mas matanda sa akin na sinamahan ako...

That was year 2002..... ginising pa ako nun kasi galing sa gimik.... malelate na ako so wala na goli direcho palit damit na agad.... pero nalate pa din eh...

Hinde mo nagamit kahit isang beses? Hinde ka na nag renew?


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[dreamur]

sorry ka na lang dreamy..... eh pinapasok ako eh... by the way im not alone.... may kasama ako mas matanda sa akin na sinamahan ako...

That was year 2002..... ginising pa ako nun kasi galing sa gimik.... malelate na ako so wala na goli direcho palit damit na agad.... pero nalate pa din eh...

Lol! 2002? 10 year visa? Then expired na. Subukan mo ulit un galing mo ngayon.

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[Ry_Tower]

^alien eh.

Yes. It's just choosing the lesser evil Lang talaga, siyempre they both have their own agendas/ self interest.


Ako talaga gusto US. Para meron na rin tayo snow. Baka kasi Fake snow ng china eh.

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Mala-OB ka na ah. Hahaha

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[absinthe]

Back to topic: update on this Dalian issue:

To make chit chat short, lets make a fair analysis on the Dalian weight issue.

* Yes the Dalian trains did exceed the allowable weight limit in the contract drafted by the DOTC.
* The DOTC drafted the specifications based on RT8D5M but powered by AC propulsion system.
* However, DC is different from AC, so the components are different too.
* RT8D5M body construction is different, both RT8D5M and 8MLB are made from Stainless steel car body but below the body, they are totally different.
- RT8D5M's floor are made from series of metal bars covered by wooden boards and rough matting. Hollowed din yung flooring dahil kung mapapansin nyo, may mga hatches kung saan nakalagay yung mga electrical cables. Yung chasis nya is made from steel frames. Electrical components are placed under passenger seats.

- 8LMB's floor was made from solid steel frame and board "ala locomotive" covered by wooden and rubber boards and floor vinyl for insulation. Electrical components are place below the car body.

* Different din ang bogie frames nilang dalawa,
- RT8D5M is using H-frame, all 4 bogies are equipped with 2 64.5 kW DC traction motors, 4 sets of mechanical disk brakes (2 per axle), 2 sets of electro-magnetic track brakes. 2 of which is jacob type.

- 8MLB is Box type.
- 2 bogies equipped with 120 kW AC traction motors, 2 sets of hydraulic mechanical disk brakes (1 per axle), 2 sets of sander, and 2 sets of electro-magnetic track brakes.
- 2 trailer bogies (jacob type) equipped with 4 sets of hydraulic mechanical disk brakes (2 per axle), and 2 sets of electro-magnetic track brakes.

Both trains are using the same wheel diameter pero magkaiba ang sukat ng axles nila. May malaki at mas mabigat at mas mahaba ang axle ng 8MLB kesa sa RT8D5M na mas payat.

in terms of axle loading computations, parehas talaga silang pasok sa axle loading limits similar sa statement nung consultant.

To make it short sa haba ng sinabi ko, DOTC drafted the contract specifications based sa specs ni RT8D5M so parang ang lumalabas, gusto nila na kopyahin lang yung lumang tren pero si CRRC is nag design ng similar dimensions but with modern designs and components.

Tinanggap ba ng DOTr ang Dalian, the answer is "NOT YET" dahil tulad ng paulit ulit kong statement, "wala pang formal acceptance and commissioning" sa Dalian trains. Nasa testing stage parin hanggang ngayon at hindi matatapos hanggat hinaharang.

Hintayin nalang natin yung results ng assessment ng TUV Rheinland.