MRT Thread

[minicarph]

ba't di na lang nila mahalan ang pamasahe sa MRT, parang yun NLEX saka SLEX kita nyo nun nagmahal konti na lang dumadaan, lagi well-maintained

if mas mahal ang MRT, ang mga tao magsosyota na lang sa malapit sa kanila, kasi di na afford ang mag MRT. parang yun isang kaklase ko dati, tinanong ko ngaun kung pumpunta pa sya ng Pampanga kasi andun ang syota nya noon, considering andami na magaganda sa La Salle Taft, eh di binreak din ya, magastos eh

dapat ang MRT ginagamit na lang sa mas importanteng bagay, kaysa pa love love dyan

[_Cathy_]

ba't di na lang nila mahalan ang pamasahe sa MRT,

I made the same comment several years ago and a some guy went berserk on me.

It doesn't have to be high but at least the right price.

[uls]

ba't di na lang nila mahalan ang pamasahe sa MRT, parang yun NLEX saka SLEX kita nyo nun nagmahal konti na lang dumadaan, lagi well-maintained

if mas mahal ang MRT, ang mga tao magsosyota na lang sa malapit sa kanila, kasi di na afford ang mag MRT. parang yun isang kaklase ko dati, tinanong ko ngaun kung pumpunta pa sya ng Pampanga kasi andun ang syota nya noon, considering andami na magaganda sa La Salle Taft, eh di binreak din ya, magastos eh

dapat ang MRT ginagamit na lang sa mas importanteng bagay, kaysa pa love love dyan

bwahahaha

sisihin mo din ang fb

kaya nagkakilala ang mga tao sa magkalayong lugar

minemessage kasi lahat ng may itsurang babae walang paki sa lugar

nagka-developan ayan layo ng biyahe para magkita

[dr. d]

ba't di na lang nila mahalan ang pamasahe sa MRT, parang yun NLEX saka SLEX kita nyo nun nagmahal konti na lang dumadaan, lagi well-maintained

if mas mahal ang MRT, ang mga tao magsosyota na lang sa malapit sa kanila, kasi di na afford ang mag MRT. parang yun isang kaklase ko dati, tinanong ko ngaun kung pumpunta pa sya ng Pampanga kasi andun ang syota nya noon, considering andami na magaganda sa La Salle Taft, eh di binreak din ya, magastos eh

dapat ang MRT ginagamit na lang sa mas importanteng bagay, kaysa pa love love dyan

konti na lang gumagamit ng slex? i have to schedule my passage thru it, lest i get caught in heavy, semi-crawling traffic.

lrt and mrt fares have always been a political decision. they do not reflect true cost of operation.

and "mas importanteng bagay" has always been relative.

heh heh.

[filimon]

sana lang maging maayus n ang MRT

[kisshmet]

After beating the dead horse and nothing is happening up to this new admin, now GMA man Magno is admitting MRT3 is bad engineering.

... those who built the MRT-3. In the first 15 days of December, the MRT-3 operations broke down 16 times. It will not get better anytime soon. It can only get worse.

Every aspect of the MRT-3 appears under-designed. Corners were cut on nearly every aspect.

MRT-3 uses overweight trams converted into rapid transit trains by lifting the cars to align with the stations. There was a mismatch from the very start.

A few months after it started operating, maintenance provider Sumitomo discovered several cracked bogeys. The engineers suspected that either inferior steel was used for them or the Czech supplier delivered refurbished parts.

As early as the first year of operations, the rail system experienced too much shelling and damage to the tracks. Two things explain this: the rails were of inferior quality and the gravels ballasts were too thin to soften the impact of train wheels. Those train wheels wore out easily, explaining the swaying motion of the MRT-3.

In the Makati area, the rails were found to be misaligned, causing the trains to twist and vibrate. Engineers surmise the reason for this is that two separate contractors built the rails and failed to align them properly.

In 2003, the Czech suppliers were summoned to examine the flaws in the system. They recommended horizontal dampers be installed to absorb the excessive lateral vibrations and mitigate damage to the rail cars. Sumitomo took no corrective action. We inherit rolling wrecks as a consequence.

Cesar Chavez, before he resigned as DOTr Undersecretary for Rails, was obsessed with getting maintenance provider Busan out and bringing Sumitomo back in. He succeeded in getting Busan out, but did nothing about the structural flaws in this system. He withheld monthly payments to Buri from September last year and expected the company to deliver.

In the meantime, in-house crews do the sophisticated maintenance work needed on a daily basis. Less than a third of the trains are in use, causing the long queues and the overcrowding that further deteriorates the system.

Since Abaya’s mis-designed Dalian trains are unusable, we could run out of trains for this dinosaur of a mass transit system. Good luck to all of us.

imagine the computer hardware of mrt3 were of early 2000 that control the signalling system by now are running erratic..shutting down..rebooting from time to time

dalian trains are the viable and quickest way to solve mrt3s woes as long as they upgrade the rails and the signalling system computers

this govt is hell bent on rallying the filipino people to hate the previous admin..this tactic will blow right into their faces

if duterte can solve drugs and crimes in 6 months hindi ba sobrang pagdurusa na ang dinaranas ng mrt commuters in 17 months?

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[StockEngine]

I saw the control system.. its embarrassing for a flagship rail system 😑

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[kagalingan]

Oh kitams.... ako lang nagsabi dito sa tsikot na dapat gibain na mrt.....

tapos of all places sa bandang makati pa pinakabulok pagkagawa.....

pag mali ang pundasyon..... waley na...

kikilos lang yan pag meron major disaster mangyayari....

After beating the dead horse and nothing is happening up to this new admin, now GMA man Magno is admitting MRT3 is bad engineering.

... those who built the MRT-3. In the first 15 days of December, the MRT-3 operations broke down 16 times. It will not get better anytime soon. It can only get worse.

Every aspect of the MRT-3 appears under-designed. Corners were cut on nearly every aspect.

MRT-3 uses overweight trams converted into rapid transit trains by lifting the cars to align with the stations. There was a mismatch from the very start.

A few months after it started operating, maintenance provider Sumitomo discovered several cracked bogeys. The engineers suspected that either inferior steel was used for them or the Czech supplier delivered refurbished parts.

As early as the first year of operations, the rail system experienced too much shelling and damage to the tracks. Two things explain this: the rails were of inferior quality and the gravels ballasts were too thin to soften the impact of train wheels. Those train wheels wore out easily, explaining the swaying motion of the MRT-3.

In the Makati area, the rails were found to be misaligned, causing the trains to twist and vibrate. Engineers surmise the reason for this is that two separate contractors built the rails and failed to align them properly.

In 2003, the Czech suppliers were summoned to examine the flaws in the system. They recommended horizontal dampers be installed to absorb the excessive lateral vibrations and mitigate damage to the rail cars. Sumitomo took no corrective action. We inherit rolling wrecks as a consequence.

Cesar Chavez, before he resigned as DOTr Undersecretary for Rails, was obsessed with getting maintenance provider Busan out and bringing Sumitomo back in. He succeeded in getting Busan out, but did nothing about the structural flaws in this system. He withheld monthly payments to Buri from September last year and expected the company to deliver.

In the meantime, in-house crews do the sophisticated maintenance work needed on a daily basis. Less than a third of the trains are in use, causing the long queues and the overcrowding that further deteriorates the system.

Since Abaya’s mis-designed Dalian trains are unusable, we could run out of trains for this dinosaur of a mass transit system. Good luck to all of us.

[Monseratto]

MRT-3: Where did it all go wrong?

A few weeks before the bidding date, however, Sec. De Jesus resigned from his post due to health reasons. Mar Roxas was assigned as his replacement. Roxas’s first act as the new DoTC Secretary was to cancel the bidding exercise.

Roxas’s move proved to be catastrophic. In one fell swoop, not only did Roxas trash a perfectly good long term maintenance plan for both MRT-3 and LRT-1, he also left MRT-3 with no maintenance contractor. Remember, by this time, the Sumitomo contract had expired.

Realizing his mistake, Roxas scrambled to renew the Sumitomo contract on annual and six-month terms. This was a bad decision since Sumitomo (or any other maintenance contractor, for that matter) would naturally not invest in long term preventive maintenance programs given the short term nature of its contract. The rolling stocks, rails and signaling systems began to deteriorate. This is when system failures began to occur.

In October 2012, Roxas awarded the maintenance contract to a firm called PH Trams CB & T. One of PH Trams’ six incorporators-directors was Wilson T. De Vera. It will be recalled that De Vera was the man accused by the Czech Ambassador of attempting to extort $30 million from Czech train maker Inekon back in July 2012. Also among its directors were Marlo de la Cruz and Manolo M. Maralit.

By this time, Roxas was moved to the DILG and Sec. Jun Abaya took over the helm of the DoTC. Abaya’s first act was to ratify the contract of PH Trams even if the bidding process was allegedly a fluke.

The terms of PH Trams contract was problematic too.

It called for PH Trams to provide the manpower for the maintenance of MRT-3, while government was to handle the procurement of spare parts. This proved to be a bad formula considering the tedious process of government procurement.

In most cases, government could not provide the spare parts on time. This left PH Trams with no choice but to resort to remedial repair work or “band-aid solutions” to keep the trains running. This caused the entire system to deteriorate even more rapidly. This went on for three years.

In 2015, the maintenance contract was awarded to SBI CB&T a Filipino-German partnership, and then, to Busan Universal Rail, Inc. in 2016. Given the short term contracts given to these firms, neither invested in long term solutions for MRT-3. The trains deteriorated to point where they became safety hazards. This was when derailments of trains and uncoupling of cars began to occur.

With one error of judgment after another, the MRT-3 line was left in a pitiful state. Most trains were out of commission due to damage and lack of spare parts. In fact, only 13 out of 73 trains were working as of February 2015. Too, the rails were in need of rehabilitation and the signaling system needed to be replaced.

With its back against the wall, the DoTC purchased 48 new train cars from Dalian of China. The new trains were meant to augment the aging and dilapidated Czech-made units. By this time, it was 2015 and the presidential campaign was in full swing with Mar Roxas running as the administration’s candidate.

Roxas was getting a lot of flack for the MRT-3 mess. He was desperate — he needed to show the public that relief was on the way.

He had the trains delivered from Dalian even without its motor, its couplers and signaling system just to have something to show.

The public relations stunt was not enough to assuage the anger of the public over the MRT-3 mess. In many respects, it cost Roxas’s his presidential bid.

[StockEngine]

nice article. maintenance is just one side of this blame game.

one side is the growth of mrt riders which needs to be addressed too. the current mrt is just not good enough for possibly 1M+ commuters daily by 2030.

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[kisshmet]

^there is strength in number so to solve mrt3s woes is to increase the number of trains to serve that much number of a million commuters

what is happening now is the exact opposite because the number of operational coaches is dwindling while commuters are rising

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[Lew_Alcindor]

The MM traffic cannot be solved if we continue the current trajectory of development.
Imagine - 30% of the country's vehicles are registered in Metro Manila which has less than 1% of the country's total land area. Add the vehicles that go to MM during the day.

The only solution to this is to prevent people from using cars going in and out of the metropolis. How?

1. Build/rehabilitate the railway system north and south of MM. We recently went to La Union and my wife said they used to visit their dad's relatives there using the train. If we can have a decent PNR, people do not need to live in metro manila to work there, to not need to bring cars to go there. Alam naman natin na alam ng govt officials ang solution, ayaw lang nila gawin.

2. Decentralize a bit. I remember GMA's plan to have growth areas in different regions. Okay sana yun kasi hindi lahat ng tao sa probinsya sa Metro Manila na lang pupunta para mag-work. A plenary speaker of an urban sustainability conference I attended years ago said that cities are not bad, per se but we need poly-centrous development para hindi congested ang isang lugar.

[supadude]

like shift the airport to clark, and shift the ship port to batangas maybe. build rails and expressways going to this places para accessible pa din kahit sa masa and hinde makapag samantala mga taxi.

problema kasi sa mga pinoy ayaw nang pagbabago, isipin magiging malayo na sila sa airport, yun mga goods mas malayo na byahe pag sa batangas pa kukunin.

[absinthe]

Q: This thread is for Line 3 only or pwede L1/L2/L7 [other proposed Metro Lines] dito?

Time out po muna sa L3 mess, some photo updates on the rolling stock for L7

Latest Photos of MRT -7 in Hyundai Rotem Plant Korea






Thank you Mr Anthony Park for sharing your photos 고맙습니다

[absinthe]

The MM traffic cannot be solved if we continue the current trajectory of development.
Imagine - 30% of the country's vehicles are registered in Metro Manila which has less than 1% of the country's total land area. Add the vehicles that go to MM during the day.

The only solution to this is to prevent people from using cars going in and out of the metropolis. How?

1. Build/rehabilitate the railway system north and south of MM. We recently went to La Union and my wife said they used to visit their dad's relatives there using the train. If we can have a decent PNR, people do not need to live in metro manila to work there, to not need to bring cars to go there. Alam naman natin na alam ng govt officials ang solution, ayaw lang nila gawin.

Tokyo-san's gonna fund the Tutuban-Malolos Northrail 2.0 and Tutuban-Los Banos commuter rail lines (elevated / electrified) (this is going to be the new NSCR project).

For Malolos-Clark, gov't is looking at having this JICA'ed as well [malalaman]. For LB-Bicolandia, gov't is looking at China to fund this [preliminary stages].

2. Decentralize a bit. I remember GMA's plan to have growth areas in different regions. Okay sana yun kasi hindi lahat ng tao sa probinsya sa Metro Manila na lang pupunta para mag-work. A plenary speaker of an urban sustainability conference I attended years ago said that cities are not bad, per se but we need poly-centrous development para hindi congested ang isang lugar.

Ito talaga kailangan natin gawin. We need to spread growth and development. Kaya napakaimportante na maayos ulit ang daangbakal.

Kasi yung maganda at maayos serbisyo ng mass rail transpo, imbis na manirahan ka pa sa MM, pwede maguwian nalang. Makakapag develop din ng bagong CBDs sa provinces.

like shift the airport to clark, and shift the ship port to batangas maybe. build rails and expressways going to this places para accessible pa din kahit sa masa and hinde makapag samantala mga taxi.

problema kasi sa mga pinoy ayaw nang pagbabago, isipin magiging malayo na sila sa airport, yun mga goods mas malayo na byahe pag sa batangas pa kukunin.

Gov't just awarded the CRK new terminal project to GMR-Megawide to increase capacity to 12 mpa (in fairness, that was fast by gov't procurement standards - 6 months from NEDA approval until groundbreaking, which happened yesterday). (Downside: their renders looks like a carbon copy of their ongoing MCIA T2 project).

Gov't is encouraging its agencies to move to Clark Green City. But for this to be viable, NSCR has to happen first.

===

Batangas Port - waaay too under utilized together with Subic, considering the billions we spent for the infra there. Long-term plan na hopefully I'm still alive to see this: revival of the defunct PNR Batangas Spur Line and extending it to the Pier. (though meron din kasing Manila Port Mafia headed by "you*know*who", who also fcked up Subic's port plans of Li Ka-shing during Tabako's time).

[kisshmet]

its always nice to see new railway projects

the story of it all speaks the same..maintaining a rail system is very expensive as all components are IMPORTED

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[dr. d]

its always nice to see new railway projects

the story of it all speaks the same..maintaining a rail system is very expensive as all components are IMPORTED

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they are always expensive, whether here or abroad.

the hongkong mtr is an anomaly that stands out from among the world's major rail networks. it earns a hefty profit.
majority of the others, are losing propositions that must be supported by government.

but yes, i agree with you.
ours can be better than it is, now.

[kisshmet]

^as rail system gets old they need to be replaced..we need to IMPORT again all the replaceable components

thats why PNR is in a sad state and most likely all future rail projects in the country

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[dr. d]

as rail system gets old they need to be replaced..we need to IMPORT again all the replaceable components

thats why PNR is in a sad state and most likely all future rail projects in the country

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"e sino ba naman ang magtatayo ng steel industry to make high quality rails, na yung major costumer ay ang gubyerno na wala nang tinangkilik kundi ang lowest bidder?"
heh heh.

[kisshmet]

^the cost of IMPORTATION in the fiture will be much higher..thats why the cost of rehabilitating PNR now to its old glory is staggering

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