Toyota Innova Owners & Discussions [continued 3]

[a9828]

Currently evaluating for an innova. for majority city driving (and maybe once a month out of town trips), which would give lower TCO - gas or diesel? i've been reading around and noticed that the 2.0 gas gives around 6-8km/l while the diesel gives 8-10 (pure city driving). naturally, tataas yan kapag highway. alin ba yung mas sulit for a family of 5?

considering as well the hiace commuter since we have guests every so often. some help on the options would be appreciated, thanks

[dr. d]

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Currently evaluating for an innova. for majority city driving (and maybe once a month out of town trips), which would give lower TCO - gas or diesel? i've been reading around and noticed that the 2.0 gas gives around 6-8km/l while the diesel gives 8-10 (pure city driving). naturally, tataas yan kapag highway. alin ba yung mas sulit for a family of 5?

considering as well the hiace commuter since we have guests every so often. some help on the options would be appreciated, thanks

fuel costs alone.. the 50K or so difference between brand new gas and diesel variants, will probably be equalized, within 4 to 5 years., assuming the other maintenance costs are the same.
why do i prefer diesel? dahil bahain samin. i'm old school, and grew up with the belief that diesels survive water better, true or false.
what about the reputed problems of the D4d? i wouldn't know. i never had 'em in my 2 innovas.
bottomline.. it's your choice, sir.
good luck.

[CVT]

Currently evaluating for an innova. for majority city driving (and maybe once a month out of town trips), which would give lower TCO - gas or diesel? i've been reading around and noticed that the 2.0 gas gives around 6-8km/l while the diesel gives 8-10 (pure city driving). naturally, tataas yan kapag highway. alin ba yung mas sulit for a family of 5?

considering as well the hiace commuter since we have guests every so often. some help on the options would be appreciated, thanks

Here is the ROI computation for the P55K difference in the price (brand new) of the VVTi vs. the D4D.....(I am really impressed by the pricing of the Innova, gasoline vs. diesel as the difference in SRP is only that much; Hyundai for example,- difference in SRP from Diesel TCi to Diesel VGT is already at P350K- WTF! Technology my A55....)

Assuming VVTi - 8Km/L (average) and price of gasoline is P40/L

And D4D - 10Km/L(average) and price of diesel fuel is P30/L

At 27,500Km, the VVTi owner would have spent P137,500 in gasoline expenses. While the D4D owner would have spent P82,500 in diesel fuel expenses... Difference is already P55,000 in fuel expenses.

Now, hold that thought for a while.....

So assuming the same level of expenses for maintenance, and no issue with the owner, whether he drives the gasoline or the diesel variant,- then it would be to the advantage of the D4D owner, in terms of expenses, starting at 27,500Km.....
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"The measure of a man is what he does with power" LJIOHF!

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Bro.,- earlier on (only a few pages before), here was my computation for the ROI in terms of mileage for the D4D variant vs. the VVTi variant,- assuming the maintenance expenses are equal (and the km/L are accurate)......

It is your call!



"The measure of a man is what he does with power" LJIOHF!

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[CVT]

Thinking aloud here,- for the 2.5L D4D owners,- is the power spec in your manual really 104 ps (at around 3500rpm) or within that range ?

If that is the case, then it has the same power as the 2.5L Hyundai TCi engine....

And Toyota was claiming it is "Direct Injection 'Common Rail' Diesel Engine", which I interpret as CRDi...

Now typically, CRDi engines have 50% more power than equivalent TCi (turbo charged intercooler engines).... So, for the same engine displacement of 2.5L,- a CRDi engine's power should be at 150+ ps....

1 ps = 0.99HP,- so the same.

Or, could I be reading the wrong spec for the 2.5L D4D of our Innova?



"The measure of a man is what he does with power" LJIOHF!

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[vvti2.0]

Currently evaluating for an innova. for majority city driving (and maybe once a month out of town trips), which would give lower TCO - gas or diesel? i've been reading around and noticed that the 2.0 gas gives around 6-8km/l while the diesel gives 8-10 (pure city driving). naturally, tataas yan kapag highway. alin ba yung mas sulit for a family of 5?

considering as well the hiace commuter since we have guests every so often. some help on the options would be appreciated, thanks

Ano estimated na mileage mo per month? Anyway, if brand new, get the diesel. Yung 55k na price difference madali lang yan bawiin kung mag average ka ng 10k km per year, and siempre yung resale value ng diesel, mataas rin.

Kung 2nd hand ang hanap mo, and di ka aabot ng 10k km per year, get the gas, ang price diference ng gas at diesel variant sa 2nd hand market is around 150k sa same year and model, mahirap bawiin yung 150k difference na yan in terms of fuel and maintenance cost.

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Currently evaluating for an innova. for majority city driving (and maybe once a month out of town trips), which would give lower TCO - gas or diesel? i've been reading around and noticed that the 2.0 gas gives around 6-8km/l while the diesel gives 8-10 (pure city driving). naturally, tataas yan kapag highway. alin ba yung mas sulit for a family of 5?

considering as well the hiace commuter since we have guests every so often. some help on the options would be appreciated, thanks

Ano estimated na mileage mo per month? Anyway, if brand new, get the diesel. Yung 55k na price difference madali lang yan bawiin kung mag average ka ng 10k km per year, and siempre yung resale value ng diesel, mataas rin.

Kung 2nd hand ang hanap mo, and di ka aabot ng 10k km per year, get the gas, ang price diference ng gas at diesel variant sa 2nd hand market is around 150k sa same year and model, mahirap bawiin yung 150k difference na yan in terms of fuel and maintenance cost.

[Sleepcare]

Thinking aloud here,- for the 2.5L D4D owners,- is the power spec in your manual really 104 ps (at around 3500rpm) or within that range ?

If that is the case, then it has the same power as the 2.5L Hyundai TCi engine....

And Toyota was claiming it is "Direct Injection 'Common Rail' Diesel Engine", which I interpret as CRDi...

Now typically, CRDi engines have 50% more power than equivalent TCi (turbo charged intercooler engines).... So, for the same engine displacement of 2.5L,- a CRDi engine's power should be at 150+ ps....

1 ps = 0.99HP,- so the same.

Or, could I be reading the wrong spec for the 2.5L D4D of our Innova?



"The measure of a man is what he does with power" LJIOHF!

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CMIIW, the brochure says that it has 102hp at (3600rpm?) i think.

OT: The torque range is the difference between the m/t (200Nm at 1800rpm) and a/t (260Nm at as early as 1600 rpm). The difference between the torque figures are really felt based on my butt-dyno but the difference is not really night and day. I used a M/T D4D innova for 3 years before replacing it with an A/T D4D Innova. (Innova fanboy right here )

But the answer to your question lies in the absence of the intercooler on these d4d-equipped innovas. Speedlab was able to install an intercooler in an innova d4d and it had ~120hp with tuning i think.

[a9828]

Ano estimated na mileage mo per month? Anyway, if brand new, get the diesel. Yung 55k na price difference madali lang yan bawiin kung mag average ka ng 10k km per year, and siempre yung resale value ng diesel, mataas rin.

Kung 2nd hand ang hanap mo, and di ka aabot ng 10k km per year, get the gas, ang price diference ng gas at diesel variant sa 2nd hand market is around 150k sa same year and model, mahirap bawiin yung 150k difference na yan in terms of fuel and maintenance cost.

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Ano estimated na mileage mo per month? Anyway, if brand new, get the diesel. Yung 55k na price difference madali lang yan bawiin kung mag average ka ng 10k km per year, and siempre yung resale value ng diesel, mataas rin.

Kung 2nd hand ang hanap mo, and di ka aabot ng 10k km per year, get the gas, ang price diference ng gas at diesel variant sa 2nd hand market is around 150k sa same year and model, mahirap bawiin yung 150k difference na yan in terms of fuel and maintenance cost.

We're consuming around 12k/yr so more or less 1000km per mo. Hindi ba Malaki difference Ng maintenance cost? Actually leaning towards the diesel since mas malaking bagay yung hatak vs top speed lalo na kung for city naman majority. Everyday service din Ng kids if ever. A/t is primary need.

How about variants, worth it ba g vs e?

[a9828]

Thanks for all the tips, btw. This thread is very helpful so far. Commuter pala has a very harsh ride so out na yun sa options

[crosswind]

Pag umabot na ng 3digit ung odometer sir magipon ka na sa bangko ng 100k sorry
Pero overall worth it ang pagpili namin sa innova dahil comfortable,spacious and powerful
kaso medyo mataas maintenance parang SUV eh
FC 12km/l city d4d manual

[vvti2.0]

We're consuming around 12k/yr so more or less 1000km per mo. Hindi ba Malaki difference Ng maintenance cost? Actually leaning towards the diesel since mas malaking bagay yung hatak vs top speed lalo na kung for city naman majority. Everyday service din Ng kids if ever. A/t is primary need.

How about variants, worth it ba g vs e?

Go for G variant if you can afford the difference sa E, pero halos lahat ng features ng G nasa E naman unless otherwise you really want a beige interior.

Sa maintenance cost, parehas lang halos yan. Sa diesel papalit ka ng timing belt at around 80k km(aantayin mo pa ba ang 100k). Change oil naman after the casa required intervals ay 10k km or 1 year whichever comes first.

Kung gas naman, at 80k, magpapalit ka ng fuel filter, baba tangke for cleaning, etc... So parehas lang yan.

Brand new naman ata paps kukunin nyo, so get the diesel. Yung 55k difference, sulit yan paps.

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We're consuming around 12k/yr so more or less 1000km per mo. Hindi ba Malaki difference Ng maintenance cost? Actually leaning towards the diesel since mas malaking bagay yung hatak vs top speed lalo na kung for city naman majority. Everyday service din Ng kids if ever. A/t is primary need.

How about variants, worth it ba g vs e?

Go for G variant if you can afford the difference sa E, pero halos lahat ng features ng G nasa E naman unless otherwise you really want a beige interior.

Sa maintenance cost, parehas lang halos yan. Sa diesel papalit ka ng timing belt at around 80k km(aantayin mo pa ba ang 100k). Change oil naman after the casa required intervals ay 10k km or 1 year whichever comes first.

Kung gas naman, at 80k, magpapalit ka ng fuel filter, baba tangke for cleaning, etc... So parehas lang yan.

Brand new naman ata paps kukunin nyo, so get the diesel. Yung 55k difference, sulit yan paps.

[crosswind]

Go for G variant if you can afford the difference sa E, pero halos lahat ng features ng G nasa E naman unless otherwise you really want a beige interior.

Sa maintenance cost, parehas lang halos yan. Sa diesel papalit ka ng timing belt at around 80k km(aantayin mo pa ba ang 100k). Change oil naman after the casa required intervals ay 10k km or 1 year whichever comes first.

Kung gas naman, at 80k, magpapalit ka ng fuel filter, baba tangke for cleaning, etc... So parehas lang yan.

Brand new naman ata paps kukunin nyo, so get the diesel. Yung 55k difference, sulit yan paps.

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Go for G variant if you can afford the difference sa E, pero halos lahat ng features ng G nasa E naman unless otherwise you really want a beige interior.

Sa maintenance cost, parehas lang halos yan. Sa diesel papalit ka ng timing belt at around 80k km(aantayin mo pa ba ang 100k).

Kung gas naman, at 80k, magpapalit ka ng fuel

ako inintay ko 150k kms as per advise ng manual at dealer ngayon replace na =D

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Go for G variant if you can afford the difference sa E, pero halos lahat ng features ng G nasa E naman unless otherwise you really want a beige interior.

Sa maintenance cost, parehas lang halos yan. Sa diesel papalit ka ng timing belt at around 80k km(aantayin mo pa ba ang 100k). Change oil naman after the casa required intervals ay 10k km or 1 year whichever comes first.

Kung gas naman, at 80k, magpapalit ka ng fuel filter, baba tangke for cleaning, etc... So parehas lang yan.

Brand new naman ata paps kukunin nyo, so get the diesel. Yung 55k difference, sulit yan paps.

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Go for G variant if you can afford the difference sa E, pero halos lahat ng features ng G nasa E naman unless otherwise you really want a beige interior.

Sa maintenance cost, parehas lang halos yan. Sa diesel papalit ka ng timing belt at around 80k km(aantayin mo pa ba ang 100k).

Kung gas naman, at 80k, magpapalit ka ng fuel

ako inintay ko 150k kms as per advise ng manual at dealer ngayon replace na =D

[dr. d]

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ako inintay ko 150k kms as per advise ng manual at dealer ngayon replace na =D

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ako inintay ko 150k kms as per advise ng manual at dealer ngayon replace na =D

yespo.
despite the written recommendation, there are many opinions regarding when to replace the timing belt. some are borne from previous experience.
bat kasi hindi timing chain ang ginamit...

[shibby75]

Timing belt, bawas ingay sa diesel.

[CVT]

Benchmark - hindi lang D4D ng Toyota ang timing belt ang ginamit,- pati TCi ng Hyundai. Pero, VGT ng Hyundai,- timing chain na... Ewan ko ba!?...


"The measure of a man is what he does with power" LJIOHF!

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[dr. d]

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Benchmark - hindi lang D4D ng Toyota ang timing belt ang ginamit,- pati TCi ng Hyundai. Pero, VGT ng Hyundai,- timing chain na... Ewan ko ba!?...


"The measure of a man is what he does with power" LJIOHF!

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kaya siguro mahina kita ng nissan.. chain si sentra, e.. heh heh.

[NarsMlvn]

hi guys. pahelp naman po ako. dumating na po kasi yung LOA ko from.mapfre. 99k ung estimate ng casa kaso 68k lang approved ng insurance. paano yun mga sir? eh yung front bumper and side fender at hood for replament po sana eh. eh di mang yayari nun eh repair? hmm

[dr. d]

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hi guys. pahelp naman po ako. dumating na po kasi yung LOA ko from.mapfre. 99k ung estimate ng casa kaso 68k lang approved ng insurance. paano yun mga sir? eh yung front bumper and side fender at hood for replament po sana eh. eh di mang yayari nun eh repair? hmm

i think the insurance computed for "depreciation". they will put your car back together again, but in the same condition as before the accident. any improvement they put in, they will bill you for it.
meaning, they will replace this and that, but will bill you for the price difference between the new parts and "older parts" befitting your not-new car.
yes, it seems illogical because it is not easy to get used parts to put into your car, but...
so unless you can source used parts, just grin and bear it, sir.
or, you can have the damaged parts heated and hammered back into shape and re-painted, and re-use them. that way, there may be no "deprecation charge".
good luck.

[NarsMlvn]

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i think the insurance computed for "depreciation". they will put your car back together again, but in the same condition as before the accident. any improvement they put in, they will bill you for it.
meaning, they will replace this and that, but will bill you for the price difference between the new parts and "older parts" befitting your not-new car.
yes, it seems illogical because it is not easy to get used parts to put into your car, but...
so unless you can source used parts, just grin and bear it, sir.
or, you can have the damaged parts heated and hammered back into shape and re-painted, and re-use them. that way, there may be no "deprecation charge".
good luck.

so meaning yung mga dapat ireplace ay di marereplace? so pag nag replace sakin iccharge un? waaaa... hmm. any advise po?


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i think the insurance computed for "depreciation". they will put your car back together again, but in the same condition as before the accident. any improvement they put in, they will bill you for it.
meaning, they will replace this and that, but will bill you for the price difference between the new parts and "older parts" befitting your not-new car.
yes, it seems illogical because it is not easy to get used parts to put into your car, but...
so unless you can source used parts, just grin and bear it, sir.
or, you can have the damaged parts heated and hammered back into shape and re-painted, and re-use them. that way, there may be no "deprecation charge".
good luck.

so meaning yung mga dapat ireplace ay di marereplace? so pag nag replace sakin iccharge un? waaaa... hmm. any advise po?
and so meaning din. repair lang ang icococover nila? yung replace ako mag shshoulder?

[cast_no_shadow]

Mapapalitan yan, babayad ka nga lang yung depreciation value ng kada piyesa na ikakabit.

Okay na yan, kesa bayadan mo buo yung mga ipapalit na parts.

O kaya kung masipag ka hanap ka sa surplus, repaint na lang gagawin.


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[dr. d]

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so meaning yung mga dapat ireplace ay di marereplace? so pag nag replace sakin iccharge un? waaaa... hmm. any advise po?


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so meaning yung mga dapat ireplace ay di marereplace? so pag nag replace sakin iccharge un? waaaa... hmm. any advise po?
and so meaning din. repair lang ang icococover nila? yung replace ako mag shshoulder?

ganito yan..
assume a new hood costs 100 bucks. assume the insurance company prices the hood in your not-new car a depreciated price (o sige, used price) of 50 bucks (because it's not new anymore). they will install a new hood in your not-new car, but charge you the difference of 100-50=50 bucks. you pay this extra, for the new-ness of the new hood. this goes the same for the fender, bumper, and headlight.

now, this is what you can do..
you can ask the casa to pukpok and repaint the hood and the fender.
and pray that the plastic bumper can still be re-formed back to its original shape, then repainted.
the headlight assembly will have to be replaced. if you go to evangelista, you will probably be able to get a "surplus" unit for a considerably reduced cost as what insurance will bill you for a new one.
come to think of it, you may be able to get a replacement surplus bumper from there, too, if you are lucky.

ask insurance how much they will charge you, if you can come up with the replacement parts for them.

happy hunting.

btw...
today's front ends are soft and are designed to collapse when bumped, to minimize damage to the bumpee.. as a result, it is also very expensive to repair.
but before you balk at the price of front end repair, you should see the price of the hospital bill when the pedestrian or passenger suffers a fractured...instead of just getting bugboged..
heh heh.