Toyota Avanza Owners & Discussions [ARCHIVED]

[burjegol]

SIrs woohoo and Burjegol,

Thanks for the technical posts.

Clarification lang. Parehas lang ba ang Air conditioning System (Car, room, etc) sa refrigeration system (Refrigerator). As a layman, Aircon system talks about the "air" inside the room. The ref system talks not about the "air" ? inside an enclosed?/ a pressurized? area.

Recommendation: Pwede siguro either of you two starts a new thread sa subforum for the following reasons: (Tama ba Mr Prez?)

1. Maiinit talaga sa Pilipinas (Tropical, Equator, etc)
2. Mahal ang maintenance ng Car Aircon System
3. Maraming matu toto sa mga discusion. Especially newbies and non-techies members.

Standing by lang kami, sirs. TIA

Sir,

The air conditioner and the refrigerators, freezers, etc, uses the same principle, the reverse Carnot cycle system.

ang pagkakaiba lang is: sa aircon, it usually deals with a higher evaporator temperature, about 10 C, whereas sa refrigerators and freezers, usually mga -15 C ang temperature. Ang isa pa, the air con usually uses a forced draft fan to facilitate heat exchange whereas ang sa household refs are usually employing static heat exchange, maliban lang doon sa mga frost free models and big freezers.

Hope this helps clarify your question

[burjegol]

[QUOTE=woohoo;1092507]I included the link where I got the information, which turned out to be quite inaccurate, like you said. For that, I apologize. Kaya lang, the link will not be accessible to non-members pala (ngayon ko lang na-try, while logged out).



This is correct, sir. Hindi ko napansin iyung mali dun sa pinost ko.


Oops, wait a minute... you lost me there... "The high pressure gas..." will "... be condensed" -- doesn't that tell us that the GAS will become LIQUID, and not the other way around?

Yes sir. Tama si ikaw. nagkamali lang ako ng sequence. kaya nga condenser ,e.

You'll have to forgive me if I don't agree with this. If what you stated is true, then Toyota wouldn't have put an OFF position on the rear A/C vent, so that this DAMAGE you mentioned would not happen.

sir, kahit ganyan ang ginawa ng Toyota, it does not alter the fact that kung patay ang fan mo sa likod, there is no guarantee that the refrigerant will not floodback to the compressor, maliban lang kung meron solenoid valve iyan. the reason behind is that, if there is refrigerant flow in the evaporator and the fan is off, the liquid refrigerant will not be completely turned into gas. so, merong liquid na babalik sa compressor, hence the term liquid floodback. so, kung liquid ang i-compress ng compressor, todas ang discharge valves mo. Now if you ar not convinced with this, try mo. pa-andarin mo ang air con mo, patay ang fan sa likod. after say mga 10 minutes, buksan mo ang hood then tingnan mo ang suction line. kung napakalamig ito or starts to ice up, sigurado, it's a liquid floodback case.



As for the pics regarding the car aircon system, tama iyan. ang pagkakaiba lang sa avanza natin, dual evaporator system. kaya ang liquid line, naka-split. kung walang solenoid valve ang isang evaporator (sa rear) hindi dapat patayin ang fan pag nagpa-aircon ikaw, for reasons stated above.


BTW, meron ikaw nabanggit regarding yung sa battery charging system? di ko matatanda-an masyado. could you please elaborate? and kung sa-an pwede ma-iskor ito. A/T kasi yung ke boss, at siya ang nag-drive. mahirap ng madiskargahan ng battery lalo na kung sa alanganing lugar.

[shadow3616931]

[quote=burjegol;1093378]

sir, kahit ganyan ang ginawa ng Toyota, it does not alter the fact that kung patay ang fan mo sa likod, there is no guarantee that the refrigerant will not floodback to the compressor, maliban lang kung meron solenoid valve iyan. the reason behind is that, if there is refrigerant flow in the evaporator and the fan is off, the liquid refrigerant will not be completely turned into gas. so, merong liquid na babalik sa compressor, hence the term liquid floodback. so, kung liquid ang i-compress ng compressor, todas ang discharge valves mo. Now if you ar not convinced with this, try mo. pa-andarin mo ang air con mo, patay ang fan sa likod. after say mga 10 minutes, buksan mo ang hood then tingnan mo ang suction line. kung napakalamig ito or starts to ice up, sigurado, it's a liquid floodback case.

Sir burjegol ask ko lang kasi matagal ko na practice na patay ang rear fan ko for almost a year na and Ive even gone to Isabela back and forth using only one blower, di kaya damaged na discharge valves ko, medyo worried lang...parang ok naman aircon ko ngayon, the same as it was.

[burjegol]

sir,

pagkaganoon, malamang meron solenoid valve ang avanza para kahit patay ang aircon sa likod, isasara niya ang flow of refrigerant. that means, sa harap lang ang gumagana. lucky are you na ganoon ang systema niyan.

BTW, kelangan ko advise ng mga mekaniko dito.

ang kotse ko, corolla gli, na-completely submerged ng baha sa iloilo . now what to do? sinabihan ko lang ang anak ko na hwag paandarin at malamang pinasok ng tubig ang mga cylinders.

[an2ni]

Welcome to tsikot. :D

Please check out this thread:
http://tsikot.yehey.com/forums/showthread.php?t=32907

boss meledson,

maraming slamat sa link.. verfy informative info.. mukhang avanza pa rin ang nag hihintay sa amin

[jppt20]

To give you an idea what would fit at the back of the third row...here's a picture of a 10" Subwoofer which fits perfectly at the back of the avanza I suggest you to visit any BLADE outlet, so you can see the actual size of this 10" V12 subs to give you an idea on the physical size, in that case you can visualize the cabin capacity for that matter.

Wow, thanks ... well, i guess most other bags could fit sa likod... although sa top portion nga lang alangan (when back door closed). Thanks!

[_Qwerty_]

may problem ako.. ayaw mag lock nung 3rd row ko.. patingnan ko sa shaw bukas..

[jppt20]

Good day po sa inyo...

Another Question lang po... i dont know how you would be able to answer this... cause i think the answers could be relative to each respondent.. (tolerance wise?) anyway, heres the question...

For the J and G models with different insulations(?) and interior inside..

1. Noise Level... could you differentiate or distinguish or quantify the noise level when driving at high speeds? environment sound (probably wind cgro) and engine sound. Or for J and G owners, could you describe the noise when riding your own rides..

iba ba ang insulation ng engine bays ng J at G? kumbaga say at 100kph, mas maingay ba sa loob ng J or G or pareho lang...

so in short mas maingay ba sa loob ng J compared sa G, cruisin at 80-100kph

or is it no big-a-deal or not much difference...

(we also had a liteace previously and since under the seat makina nya.. medyo maingay) although comparing it to a front mounted engine mas di maingay... pero yung interiors ng J parang similar lang sa liteace interior...


2. does driving at high speed produce any window seal defect type of sound.. yung tipong may sumisingit na hangin (ssswssh?)

I experienced this pero baka isolated case lang..



TIA!

God bless!

[woohoo]

Guys, Meron na akong naumpisahang DIY thread about Turning the Avanza's Defogger into an Aircon Switch. Currently still uploading pics.

[woohoo]

may problem ako.. ayaw mag lock nung 3rd row ko.. patingnan ko sa shaw bukas..

Hi, Qwerty...

Nasubukan mo bang hilahin papunta sa likod yung "paa" ng 3rd row seat? Baka naka-tupi lang siya kaya ayaw mag-lock, hindi tumatama sa "partner" niya...

First-hand experience ko yan, eh. hehe...

HTH...

[_Qwerty_]

sir woohoo.. naka baba naman sya.. ayaw talaga mag lock.. kahit anong bagsak ko.. dati humaharang yung carpet kaya parang ayaw mag lock.. inayos ko nang mabuti.. ayaw pa rin.. parang sira na yung nag lo lock.. papatingnan ko bukas.. baka mapapalitan pa..

[woohoo]

sir, kahit ganyan ang ginawa ng Toyota, it does not alter the fact that kung patay ang fan mo sa likod, there is no guarantee that the refrigerant will not floodback to the compressor, maliban lang kung meron solenoid valve iyan. the reason behind is that, if there is refrigerant flow in the evaporator and the fan is off, the liquid refrigerant will not be completely turned into gas. so, merong liquid na babalik sa compressor, hence the term liquid floodback. so, kung liquid ang i-compress ng compressor, todas ang discharge valves mo. Now if you ar not convinced with this, try mo. pa-andarin mo ang air con mo, patay ang fan sa likod. after say mga 10 minutes, buksan mo ang hood then tingnan mo ang suction line. kung napakalamig ito or starts to ice up, sigurado, it's a liquid floodback case.
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BTW, meron ikaw nabanggit regarding yung sa battery charging system? di ko matatanda-an masyado. could you please elaborate? and kung sa-an pwede ma-iskor ito. A/T kasi yung ke boss, at siya ang nag-drive. mahirap ng madiskargahan ng battery lalo na kung sa alanganing lugar.

Maraming salamat sa maganda at useful na technical info, sir. Dami kong natututunan sa iyo.

Sana nga, meron solenoid valve yung ride natin.

Anyway, nabili ko itong DIE HARD INCREDICELL battery monitor sa isang Car Wash dito sa San Fernando, Pampanga. Ganito siya:





Meron siyang limang wires. Additional feature: meron siyang battery temperature sensor na itinatabi sa negative terminal. Kapag natatanggal iyun, umiilaw yung UNDERCHARGE (red) LED niya. Kapag naiwang bukas ang park- o headlights at pinatay mo ang makina, mag-a-alarm siya. May mahinang beep lang, halos di mo marinig KUNG nasa labas ka na ng sasakyan at sarado ang mga bintana, pero kung kahuhugot pa lang ng susi, tiyak na maririnig mo siya.

Sana meron pang stock dun. Naiwaglit ko ang phone number nila, e. Daanan ko nga mamaya...

[woohoo]

sir woohoo.. naka baba naman sya.. ayaw talaga mag lock.. kahit anong bagsak ko.. dati humaharang yung carpet kaya parang ayaw mag lock.. inayos ko nang mabuti.. ayaw pa rin.. parang sira na yung nag lo lock.. papatingnan ko bukas.. baka mapapalitan pa..

Tsk. Sama naman niyan... Sana maayos nila agad, sir. I hope it's only a minor glitch...

[meledson]

Good day po sa inyo...

Another Question lang po... i dont know how you would be able to answer this... cause i think the answers could be relative to each respondent.. (tolerance wise?) anyway, heres the question...

For the J and G models with different insulations(?) and interior inside..

1. Noise Level... could you differentiate or distinguish or quantify the noise level when driving at high speeds? environment sound (probably wind cgro) and engine sound. Or for J and G owners, could you describe the noise when riding your own rides..

iba ba ang insulation ng engine bays ng J at G? kumbaga say at 100kph, mas maingay ba sa loob ng J or G or pareho lang...

so in short mas maingay ba sa loob ng J compared sa G, cruisin at 80-100kph

or is it no big-a-deal or not much difference...

(we also had a liteace previously and since under the seat makina nya.. medyo maingay) although comparing it to a front mounted engine mas di maingay... pero yung interiors ng J parang similar lang sa liteace interior...


2. does driving at high speed produce any window seal defect type of sound.. yung tipong may sumisingit na hangin (ssswssh?)

I experienced this pero baka isolated case lang..

TIA!

God bless!

1. Sa G mayroon under the hood heat shield at sa fire wall, wala nito sa J. Di pa ako nakakasakay ng G pero I am assuming na magmababa ang noise level sa loob dahil sa heat shields. Pag J or G pag operating at normal temp na at idle, tahimik ang makina.

At hi speed, I think pareho lang halos ang noise levels kasi most of the noise comes from the road (via the tires) and wind noise.

Mayroon sa ACP na naka roof rack, according to the owner, medyo malaki ang contribution nito sa wind noise at hi speeds (80Kph or more)

Sa loob ng J, medyo rinig mo ang rev na makina. Di ko lang alam kung sa labas ay kung gaano kalakas ang engine noise.

2. Wala pa akong na experience na ganyan sa J ko.

[meledson]

may problem ako.. ayaw mag lock nung 3rd row ko.. patingnan ko sa shaw bukas..

I think covered pa naman ng warranty ang mechanism na iyan. back to casa.

Sa akin, pag nakaharang lang ang carpet kaya awaw mag lock. So far, no problems.

[meledson]

boss meledson,

maraming slamat sa link.. verfy informative info.. mukhang avanza pa rin ang nag hihintay sa amin

Glad to be of help. :D

Balitaan mo na lang kami kung alin car ang nabili mo.

Pero kung Avanza ang nabili mo, you are invited to join the club.

[shadow3616931]

Good day po sa inyo...

Another Question lang po... i dont know how you would be able to answer this... cause i think the answers could be relative to each respondent.. (tolerance wise?) anyway, heres the question...

For the J and G models with different insulations(?) and interior inside..

1. Noise Level... could you differentiate or distinguish or quantify the noise level when driving at high speeds? environment sound (probably wind cgro) and engine sound. Or for J and G owners, could you describe the noise when riding your own rides..

iba ba ang insulation ng engine bays ng J at G? kumbaga say at 100kph, mas maingay ba sa loob ng J or G or pareho lang...

so in short mas maingay ba sa loob ng J compared sa G, cruisin at 80-100kph

or is it no big-a-deal or not much difference...

(we also had a liteace previously and since under the seat makina nya.. medyo maingay) although comparing it to a front mounted engine mas di maingay... pero yung interiors ng J parang similar lang sa liteace interior...


2. does driving at high speed produce any window seal defect type of sound.. yung tipong may sumisingit na hangin (ssswssh?)

I experienced this pero baka isolated case lang..



TIA!

God bless!

1. I have no complaint re engine sound even at 120kph speed. Comparing it to a passenger van malayong tahimik ang Avanza J. My complaint is maingay sya compared to sedan at high speed bumps (uneven road surface or cracked concrete road) maybe because of its stiff suspension, pero ganon din ang van and small and mid size SUV, except for luxurious van and SUV. I dont know with Avanza G, I havent driven one.

2. Since bago pa Avanza maganda pa mga rubber seal nya there is no noise there even at 130kph.

Btw, maingay pag may roof rack (depende din sa roof rack).

[juanarodriguez]

sir woohoo.. naka baba naman sya.. ayaw talaga mag lock.. kahit anong bagsak ko.. dati humaharang yung carpet kaya parang ayaw mag lock.. inayos ko nang mabuti.. ayaw pa rin.. parang sira na yung nag lo lock.. papatingnan ko bukas.. baka mapapalitan pa..

Qwertz yung sa third row ko din hindi nag-lolock before pag dumadaan ako ng humps or lubak umaangat. meron lang silang inadjust sa ilalim para kumagat. Sinabay ko yung sa akin nung 10k PMS ko

[jem's99]

Good day po sa inyo...

Another Question lang po... i dont know how you would be able to answer this... cause i think the answers could be relative to each respondent.. (tolerance wise?) anyway, heres the question...

For the J and G models with different insulations(?) and interior inside..

1. Noise Level... could you differentiate or distinguish or quantify the noise level when driving at high speeds? environment sound (probably wind cgro) and engine sound. Or for J and G owners, could you describe the noise when riding your own rides..

iba ba ang insulation ng engine bays ng J at G? kumbaga say at 100kph, mas maingay ba sa loob ng J or G or pareho lang...

so in short mas maingay ba sa loob ng J compared sa G, cruisin at 80-100kph

or is it no big-a-deal or not much difference...

(we also had a liteace previously and since under the seat makina nya.. medyo maingay) although comparing it to a front mounted engine mas di maingay... pero yung interiors ng J parang similar lang sa liteace interior...


2. does driving at high speed produce any window seal defect type of sound.. yung tipong may sumisingit na hangin (ssswssh?)

I experienced this pero baka isolated case lang..



TIA!

God bless!

1. Sa G mayroon under the hood heat shield at sa fire wall, wala nito sa J. Di pa ako nakakasakay ng G pero I am assuming na magmababa ang noise level sa loob dahil sa heat shields. Pag J or G pag operating at normal temp na at idle, tahimik ang makina.

At hi speed, I think pareho lang halos ang noise levels kasi most of the noise comes from the road (via the tires) and wind noise.

Mayroon sa ACP na naka roof rack, according to the owner, medyo malaki ang contribution nito sa wind noise at hi speeds (80Kph or more)

Sa loob ng J, medyo rinig mo ang rev na makina. Di ko lang alam kung sa labas ay kung gaano kalakas ang engine noise.

2. Wala pa akong na experience na ganyan sa J ko.

maingay talaga pag may roof rack as in umuugong at high speed especially at expresssway. napansin ko lang pag may karga na ang topload mo wala na din yong wind noise nablocked ng karga.

[jem's99]

sir,

pagkaganoon, malamang meron solenoid valve ang avanza para kahit patay ang aircon sa likod, isasara niya ang flow of refrigerant. that means, sa harap lang ang gumagana. lucky are you na ganoon ang systema niyan.

BTW, kelangan ko advise ng mga mekaniko dito.

ang kotse ko, corolla gli, na-completely submerged ng baha sa iloilo . now what to do? sinabihan ko lang ang anak ko na hwag paandarin at malamang pinasok ng tubig ang mga cylinders.

sorry to hear that... im sure maraming magfeed ng advise sa yo re: this problem. grabe din ginawa ni frank sa iloilo.