List of Toyota D4D Probems (Choking, Hard Starting, etc.)

[lytspid]

go for the innova d4d ala na sakit ang d4d variants nila they have already solve it...

[Titleist983k]

I have an Innova G M/T 2.5l D4D. Purchase Date January 2006. No problems whatsoever, easy starting and no choking. Now at 39tkms.

[praetorian]

You're better off with a gas Innova, like me. Buying any Toyota diesel is a 50:50 gamble - two of my bosses bought Fortuners (the 3.0CRDi kind) almost at the same time last year. Same color pa, white. One is ok, the other just had its supply pump replaced. My Innova G gas has had no problems at all (knock on wood).

[Titleist983k]

You're better off with a gas Innova, like me. Buying any Toyota diesel is a 50:50 gamble - two of my bosses bought Fortuners (the 3.0CRDi kind) almost at the same time last year. Same color pa, white. One is ok, the other just had its supply pump replaced. My Innova G gas has had no problems at all (knock on wood).

How accurate is your 50/50 estimate? Personally I think comments like these should be based upon facts and statistics rather than speculation. Saying that you have a 50/50 chance of getting problems means that 50% of d4d engines on the road has a problem. I mean, this vehicle is a workhorse for me for the past 23 months now evident on my high mileage. I average 65kms daily with a heavy load and consumes 10.7-11.6 km/l. Although I am not fond of how it looks it does its job. Having a diesel engine is economical and I recommend the Innova D4D based on my experience a fact which I am sure of. But one thing though, the service at Toyota Alabang is terrible, I had a re alignment done and it took the the whole day because they only have two bays for that service(unbelievable)... there is a little improvement but I don't have the same frustrations with Honda Alabang. Just my two cents.

[praetorian]

How accurate is your 50/50 estimate? Personally I think comments like these should be based upon facts and statistics rather than speculation. Saying that you have a 50/50 chance of getting problems means that 50% of d4d engines on the road has a problem. I mean, this vehicle is a workhorse for me for the past 23 months now evident on my high mileage. I average 65kms daily with a heavy load and consumes 10.7-11.6 km/l. Although I am not fond of how it looks it does its job. Having a diesel engine is economical and I recommend the Innova D4D based on my experience a fact which I am sure of. But one thing though, the service at Toyota Alabang is terrible, I had a re alignment done and it took the the whole day because they only have two bays for that service(unbelievable)... there is a little improvement but I don't have the same frustrations with Honda Alabang. Just my two cents.

You have your experience, sir, and I have personal knowledge of my boss' predicament. One Fort is doing great, the other just came from the shop with a new supply pump (which Toyota Quezon Ave. didn't want to change were it not for a call to the president of TMPC itself). Based on your experience, you recommend it. Fine. Based on what happened to the Forts that I regularly get to ride in, it's 50:50. My 2 cents.

[rvt]

You have your experience, sir, and I have personal knowledge of my boss' predicament. One Fort is doing great, the other just came from the shop with a new supply pump (which Toyota Quezon Ave. didn't want to change were it not for a call to the president of TMPC itself). Based on your experience, you recommend it. Fine. Based on what happened to the Forts that I regularly get to ride in, it's 50:50. My 2 cents.

Sir, do have a number or direct email of TMPC president ? please PM me.

Hulog ka ng Langit !

[praetorian]

Sir, do have a number or direct email of TMPC president ? please PM me.

Hulog ka ng Langit !

Sorry, sir, only my boss has that.

[papalord]

What is the big difference between Innova and starex with reference to their specs below. Seems like Starex has the edge over Innova since it has higher output esp. DSL to DSL.
Ano kaya reason ng Toyota kung bakit mas mababa output/toque ng Innova compared to its predecessors.

Innova 2.5 D4D DSL

Engine 2.5 DOHC 16V I4 2.5 DOHC 16V I4 2.5 DOHC 16V I4 2.5 DOHC 16V I4
Maximum Output (bhp * rpm) 102 * 3600 102 * 3600 102 * 3600 102 * 3600
Maximum Torque (Nm * rpm) 260 * 1600-2400 200 * 1400-3200 (MT)
260 * 1600-2400 (AT) 200 * 1400-3200 (MT)
260 * 1600-2400 (AT) 200 * 1400-3200
Fuel Type / Recom. Octane Diesel Diesel Diesel Diesel
Fuel System / Aspiration Common Rail / T Common Rail / T Common Rail / T Common Rail / T
Fuel Mileage (km/L) -- 11.27 (AT, test) -- --
Transmission 4-speed AT 5-speed MT
4-speed AT 5-speed MT
4-speed AT 5-speed MT

Innova 2.0 VVTI Gas

Engine 2.0 DOHC 16V I4 2.0 DOHC 16V I4 2.0 DOHC 16V I4
Maximum Output (bhp * rpm) 136 * 5600 136 * 5600 136 * 5600
Maximum Torque (Nm * rpm) 182 * 4000 182 * 4000 182 * 4000
Fuel Type / Recom. Octane Gasoline / 93~ Gasoline / 93~ Gasoline / 93~
Fuel System / Aspiration VVTi, EFI / NA VVTi, EFI / NA VVTi, EFI / NA
Fuel Mileage (km/L) 8.00 (AT, test) 8.82 (MT, test) --
Transmission 4-speed AT 5-speed MT
4-speed AT 5-speed MT

Starex DSL

Engine 2.5 SOHC 8V I4 2.5 SOHC 8V I4 2.5 SOHC 8V I4
Maximum Output (bhp * rpm) 85 * 4000 85 * 4000 85 * 4000
Maximum Torque (Nm * rpm) 170 * 2200 170 * 2200 170 * 2200
Fuel Type / Recom. Octane Diesel Diesel Diesel
Fuel System / Aspiration MFI / T MFI / T MFI / T
Fuel Mileage (km/L) -- 6.23 (AT, test) --
Transmission 4-speed AT 5-speed MT
4-speed AT 5-speed MT

[Titleist983k]

You have your experience, sir, and I have personal knowledge of my boss' predicament. One Fort is doing great, the other just came from the shop with a new supply pump (which Toyota Quezon Ave. didn't want to change were it not for a call to the president of TMPC itself). Based on your experience, you recommend it. Fine. Based on what happened to the Forts that I regularly get to ride in, it's 50:50. My 2 cents.

You have 2 bosses with 2 d4d engines. 2 vehicles does not represent the whole assembly line. To say that you have a 50% chance of getting a bad deal is like saying 50% of the vehicles on the road and due for release will have problems... for example, I have 4 friends with d4d engines and they all have good performance, does that say that 100% of the vehicles are ok? Of course it does not. If we are going to talk abouit percentages it should be factual because buying a car is a big investment and it all should be based on facts. And if ever 50% of the d4d engines have bad performances then it would be too big a deal that Toyota themselves will stop selling. And probably even have a mass recall. 50% is such a big number to be saying lightly.

[Google]

Mga pards,naexperience nyo na ba to?
Kotse ko Toyota Innova J 2.5 Diesel, dinala ko sa casa for 25,000 KM check ( regular ang check every 5000 KM) . Nirecommend na i-engine wash so ok lang ako. Pagbalik sakin di na smooth ang takbo ng makina! Nasa 80kph pa lng at 5th gear ang ingay na,bago umabot ng 90KPH ang ingay na which is hindi naman dati ganon! yung fog lamps ko dina din gumana, binalik ko sa kanila, busted yung fuse pero yung sa engine wala daw silang makita na problem!( Im driving this for less than a year , almost everyday..kaya kabisadong kabisadoko tunog ng makina!)

Notice ko lng me kalawang na yung makina (sa me turbo),normal lng daw yun...dont know kung me kinalaman yun..

Just imagine kung magdrive ka ng kotse na parang laging nasa 3rd gear araw araw..wahhh Please heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelp!

[wildthing]

try to have it checked sa ibang casa.

[Google]

I had my misery when I had my unit serviced at Toyota Alabang.Terrible place!

[Google]

thanks Wildthing,I will

[Titleist983k]

I had my misery when I had my unit serviced at Toyota Alabang.Terrible place!

Toyota Alabang is in fact terrible with their service.

[praetorian]

You have 2 bosses with 2 d4d engines. 2 vehicles does not represent the whole assembly line. To say that you have a 50% chance of getting a bad deal is like saying 50% of the vehicles on the road and due for release will have problems... for example, I have 4 friends with d4d engines and they all have good performance, does that say that 100% of the vehicles are ok? Of course it does not. If we are going to talk abouit percentages it should be factual because buying a car is a big investment and it all should be based on facts. And if ever 50% of the d4d engines have bad performances then it would be too big a deal that Toyota themselves will stop selling. And probably even have a mass recall. 50% is such a big number to be saying lightly.

Sir, you obviously like your Innova CRDi since it hasn't choked on you (and hopefully it never will). I'm very happy for you. But the numerous complaints about D4D problems registered in this forum, plus my own personal knowledge, leads me to conclude that buying D4D will be a very big gamble. Take note that this conclusion is based on the problems already registered here (and in other car forums) plus my boss' predicament. So yes, I may not have the actual numbers to support my conclusion, but I've read all of the problems registered here and have no doubt that my opinion is justified.

In fact, I was shocked at my boss' predicament since it was a 3.0 D4d, while most of the problems posted on this forum only mentioned the 2.5 D4d. Compared to the Hyundai Sta. Fe, for instance (which, to my knowledge, has had no report of choking or sudden engine failures), D4d's have had too may problems to be ignored. And I am sorry to say that big companies like TMPC can (and I think are) ignore problems like this. Why? They're probably just waiting for the warranties to expire.

[rvt]

Dear Praetorian,

Posting the number of the TMPC president here will help all of those who have
Toyota concerns which may not have been settled by the outlets.

In behalf of the agrieved toyota users KINDLY ASK THE CELL NUMBER / EMAIL ADDRESS OF THE tmpc president. I do believe in the Japanese culture when it comes to customer service.

Please ask your Boss to share the number here.

salamat,

RVT

[rockers_kitoy]

what is the benefit of having a turbo timer? it is recommended by one of the salesperson dito sa Toyota Davao.

some pls...

thanks.

until now, i'm still contemplating for a diesel or a gas Innova.

[av8or5]

You have 2 bosses with 2 d4d engines. 2 vehicles does not represent the whole assembly line. To say that you have a 50% chance of getting a bad deal is like saying 50% of the vehicles on the road and due for release will have problems... for example, I have 4 friends with d4d engines and they all have good performance, does that say that 100% of the vehicles are ok? Of course it does not. If we are going to talk abouit percentages it should be factual because buying a car is a big investment and it all should be based on facts. And if ever 50% of the d4d engines have bad performances then it would be too big a deal that Toyota themselves will stop selling. And probably even have a mass recall. 50% is such a big number to be saying lightly.

i big to disagree sir. I used to be an owner of a diesel vehicle with common rail injectors.... trust me....it doesnt mean if most have common problem that they will have recall on it..remember..this is the philippines.

my ride was a trooper..dami problems with troopers fuel injectors..other countries had recalls..but here in the philippines... they didnt bother having recalls eventhough they know there is a problem with that particular model (4jx1)

[vinj]

Dear Praetorian,

Posting the number of the TMPC president here will help all of those who have
Toyota concerns which may not have been settled by the outlets.

In behalf of the agrieved toyota users KINDLY ASK THE CELL NUMBER / EMAIL ADDRESS OF THE tmpc president. I do believe in the Japanese culture when it comes to customer service.

Please ask your Boss to share the number here.

salamat,

RVT

Dude, i think it is a sensitive issue on posting private contact information of a person on a public forums especially if it is a personal acquaintance of someone and he himself is an unwitting party. I myself have been active in various forums for several years and i still take caution in posting private contact info. Perhaps the next best thing to forward such valid concerns to him if all standard procedures have been exhausted. I myself have personal connections with several car companies but i only approach them if i have exhausted all the usual means on concerns/problems with a car.

Going back to the topic, i have two relatives who have D4D Innovas ('05 and early '06 models). One had choking and hard start problems (the '06 model) while the other one didnt have any problems. We might be getting a 2nd hand Innova D4D (a late '05 J model); i hope it holds out well.

My uncle also had a busted shock on his Innova...

[Dieseldude]

Choking problem is often traceable to a faulty Common Rail Pump due to corrosion / "WIF" water in fuel.

We have service capability for Bosch and Denso diesel common rail pumps. Toyota uses Denso, and most Hyundai use bosch systems.

If your car is under warranty, bring it to any Toyota service dealer for possible pump repair / replacement. If it is not a justified warranty claim, we can definitely help you.

Visit threads at "Diesel Fuel Injection Help Desk" at Tsikot Workshop Forums.

Bye,

Dieseldude