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    #401
    Since the front brakes do most of the braking, why is everyone so caught up with rear drum brakes?

    Pinangkakarera niyo ba mga Fortuner niyo? I'm pretty sure most people here don't even need rear discs for their kind f driving.

    Yes, 4-wheel discs are nice to have. But having rear drums shouldn't be a deal breaker for people who don't push their cars to their limits everyday.

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    #402
    Quote Originally Posted by jut703 View Post
    Since the front brakes do most of the braking, why is everyone so caught up with rear drum brakes?

    Pinangkakarera niyo ba mga Fortuner niyo? I'm pretty sure most people here don't even need rear discs for their kind f driving.

    Yes, 4-wheel discs are nice to have. But having rear drums shouldn't be a deal breaker for people who don't push their cars to their limits everyday.
    Exactly. My current rides neither have rear discs and braking was never a problem kahit biglaan pa o maulan. Minsan mahirap pa inuupgrade ng kung anu-ano ang kotse, masyado na nagtitiwala sa sasakyan ang driver.

    I'm more interested in the increased refinement with this new engine and design as was said about the Hilux.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jut703 View Post
    Since the front brakes do most of the braking, why is everyone so caught up with rear drum brakes?

    Pinangkakarera niyo ba mga Fortuner niyo? I'm pretty sure most people here don't even need rear discs for their kind f driving.

    Yes, 4-wheel discs are nice to have. But having rear drums shouldn't be a deal breaker for people who don't push their cars to their limits everyday.

    AFAIK mas malakas braking power ng drums dahil mas mataas ang contact area neto. Ang problema lang is matagal mag dissipate ng heat ang drums vs disc dahil enclosed ang drums. Saka pag nag brake naman yung weight transfer napupunta sa harap para saluhin ng front discs.

    If ever may EBD man yung new fort, I guess may tulong din kung discs na yung likod since pag loaded ka ng pasahero pwede mag padala ng additional braking force sa rear dahil mas may traction na sa likod dahi sa weight ng mga pasahero/cargo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jut703 View Post
    Since the front brakes do most of the braking, why is everyone so caught up with rear drum brakes?

    Pinangkakarera niyo ba mga Fortuner niyo? I'm pretty sure most people here don't even need rear discs for their kind f driving.

    Yes, 4-wheel discs are nice to have. But having rear drums shouldn't be a deal breaker for people who don't push their cars to their limits everyday.

    AFAIK mas malakas braking power ng drums dahil mas mataas ang contact area neto. Ang problema lang is matagal mag dissipate ng heat ang drums vs disc dahil enclosed ang drums. Saka pag nag brake naman yung weight transfer napupunta sa harap para saluhin ng front discs.

    If ever may EBD man yung new fort, I guess may tulong din kung discs na yung likod since pag loaded ka ng pasahero pwede mag padala ng additional braking force sa rear dahil mas may traction na sa likod dahi sa weight ng mga pasahero/cargo.

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    #405
    My dream car!

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    #406
    they designed fortuner with care. but the hilux looks like a cockcroach. copying front nose from sub compact suzuki celerio.

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    #407
    Quote Originally Posted by kevinworld View Post
    they designed fortuner with care. but the hilux looks like a cockcroach. copying front nose from sub compact suzuki celerio.
    Whatever the reason for the fascia similarities, people will perceive that the Celerio copied from the Hilux. This opinion will favor whichever model will be more common on the road. I am pretty sure it will be the latter unless the Celerio replaces the Wigo in the Toyota lineup.

    Going back to the topic, yung all new Fortuner parang dalagang Pilipina. Habang tinititigan mo at mas matagal mong nakakasama mas lalung gumaganda.

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    #408
    Can't wait for this. Kaso if I give in to my impulse and reserve one, baka marami pang problema ito just like when the 1st gen fortuner first came out.

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    #409
    Quote Originally Posted by sientobente View Post
    Can't wait for this. Kaso if I give in to my impulse and reserve one, baka marami pang problema ito just like when the 1st gen fortuner first came out.
    Mismo kumbaga baka Beta pa lang yan lalo na new design ang Engine

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    #410
    Kelan kaya lalabas ng toyota ang pricinnng?

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    #411
    Kelan kaya lalabas ng toyota ang pricing sa new model?

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    #412
    Quote Originally Posted by sientobente View Post
    Can't wait for this. Kaso if I give in to my impulse and reserve one, baka marami pang problema ito just like when the 1st gen fortuner first came out.
    I had the 1st gen fortuner when it came out. No problems naman whatoever til I sold it after several years. Very reliable. Though a few people had D4D problems daw but Toyota solved it fast.
    But this time, I'm choosing between the 3 upcoming SUVs- fortuner 1st then everest then lastly MS

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    Quote Originally Posted by funky_monkey View Post
    Kelan kaya lalabas ng toyota ang pricing sa new model?
    Ang tagal naman!!!!



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    #414
    magkano ba difference sa price naten sa thailand? kase base model nila sa 2.4 manual in pesos 1.5m na eh

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    #415
    Quote Originally Posted by siuu3ci View Post
    yup. and why?! because of the most common advantage of disc brakes over drum brakes - heat dissipation.

    drum brakes always have problems on heavy breaking situation because they are enclosed, heat does not dissipate well. and we all know we lose breaking power because of too much heat. that is why it is the much inferior braking system but cheaper than discs nowadays.

    disc brakes of course mas mahal ang price. but it normally does not have the over heating issues. so practically it is always used at the front and having 4 wheel disc brakes is always better
    Disc brakes are lighter too & I don't think it's necessarily more expensive than drums. One of the problems car makers face when opting for rear disc brakes is: What to do you use for parking brakes?

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    #416
    Quote Originally Posted by DacoTyan View Post
    Disc brakes are lighter too & I don't think it's necessarily more expensive than drums. One of the problems car makers face when opting for rear disc brakes is: What to do you use for parking brakes?
    Drum-in-discs. They've been around for quite a while now.

    Also, there are cars with separate calipers on their discs for handbrake use.

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    #417
    For those still caught up with rear drum brakes, try riding a bike. The front brakes are exponentially more effective than the rear (we just rarely use it because of the fear of endo).

    And to those saying discs are better because they have better heat dissipation. I ask, when do you need repeated hard braking aside from a racetrack? If it's just one (or a few) instance(s) of full braking, the rear brakes won't heat up and lose effectiveness, even if they're drums.

    You can say on a downhill (say, Kennon). Physics dictates that in such cases, it's still the front brakes that do almost all the braking. You should be more concerned about the strength and resistance to fade of your front brakes (not all discs are made the same).

    But then again, it's so easy to generalize that discs > drums and drums are antiquated. Few bother to know why exactly discs are better, and how inconsequential this actually is in real world use.

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    #418
    Quote Originally Posted by jut703 View Post
    For those still caught up with rear drum brakes, try riding a bike. The front brakes are exponentially more effective than the rear (we just rarely use it because of the fear of endo).

    And to those saying discs are better because they have better heat dissipation. I ask, when do you need repeated hard braking aside from a racetrack? If it's just one (or a few) instance(s) of full braking, the rear brakes won't heat up and lose effectiveness, even if they're drums.

    You can say on a downhill (say, Kennon). Physics dictates that in such cases, it's still the front brakes that do almost all the braking. You should be more concerned about the strength and resistance to fade of your front brakes (not all discs are made the same).

    But then again, it's so easy to generalize that discs > drums and drums are antiquated. Few bother to know why exactly discs are better, and how inconsequential this actually is in real world use.
    A study was made once and the conclusion was that when it comes to disc vs drum brakes, there is a significant difference in braking distance when used on the front wheels. There is however negligible difference when used on the back. So a disc-disc config isn't really warranted on everyday driving as the disc-drum config is more than sufficient already. Diff story if resing-resing.

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    #419
    Quote Originally Posted by n_spinner06 View Post
    A study was made once and the conclusion was that when it comes to disc vs drum brakes, there is a significant difference in braking distance when used on the front wheels. There is however negligible difference when used on the back. So a disc-disc config isn't really warranted on everyday driving as the disc-drum config is more than sufficient already. Diff story if resing-resing.
    Exactly my point. Which is why I wonder why there's so much fuss with a disc-drum setup.

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    #420
    I think meron naman talagang difference between the 2. Kaso for normal usage, wala. Di masyadong ramdam. Oa lang mga tao. Parang hp lang yan. Pag medyo mababa hp ng new release car sinsabi under powered. Pero more than enough na talaga sya. Mukha lang under powered dahil mas mataas hp ng competitor. Just like this. Dahil naka disc-disc ang competitor

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