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    Quote Originally Posted by norelco View Post
    Tagal naman sir..so ang pinu push nila ngayon ay yung current model. Pag ganyan marketing strategy nila mawawala mga potential buyer nila. In my case kung hindi makakapaglabas ng info ang toyota phil about the specs & price ng fort within this year, choose na lang between Monty or Everest.
    I was talking too with the Ford guys and they are confident that the new Everest vehicles are arriving next month. But the queue is long.... Better to have them here now and get the public to go loco on it and steal the thunder from the other two.

    Fortuner's discount now is only P20k... Deym,two months ago, it was P30k...

    What are these guys smoking???

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    Ang tagal naman kung August next year pa. Indecisive between current gen Fort or new Everest or wait for the New Fortuner next year [emoji53]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Challenger75 View Post
    Maniwala ka sa mga bokyong yan, kakalaunch lang ng Hilux sa Thailand meron na agad dito. Pano pa yang Fortuner na di hamak na mas mabenta dito kaysa sa Hilux.
    Completely agree lol

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    Never had a problem braking with my Ranger and Altis, and both had drums. Even on highway speeds above the speed limit.

    What's more important to note is that you're driving a 2-ton SUV with a high center of gravity, raised suspension, and a truck chassis. Even if you have 4-wheel disc brakes but you try to drive it like a sports sedan, you'll get yourself in trouble.

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    One should ask, why no car manufacturer uses drums in the front. Trucks are exception because they're pneumatic assisted and load is in the body. Simple answer: engine weight and most of the braking force is needed in the front, this explains also naka 3palit ka na ng disc pad, 1/2 pa kapal ng rear brake shoes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 12vdc View Post
    One should ask, why no car manufacturer uses drums in the front. Trucks are exception because they're pneumatic assisted and load is in the body. Simple answer: engine weight and most of the braking force is needed in the front, this explains also naka 3palit ka na ng disc pad, 1/2 pa kapal ng rear brake shoes.
    yup. and why?! because of the most common advantage of disc brakes over drum brakes - heat dissipation.

    drum brakes always have problems on heavy breaking situation because they are enclosed, heat does not dissipate well. and we all know we lose breaking power because of too much heat. that is why it is the much inferior braking system but cheaper than discs nowadays.

    disc brakes of course mas mahal ang price. but it normally does not have the over heating issues. so practically it is always used at the front and having 4 wheel disc brakes is always better

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    Quote Originally Posted by siuu3ci View Post
    yup. and why?! because of the most common advantage of disc brakes over drum brakes - heat dissipation.

    drum brakes always have problems on heavy breaking situation because they are enclosed, heat does not dissipate well. and we all know we lose breaking power because of too much heat. that is why it is the much inferior braking system but cheaper than discs nowadays.

    disc brakes of course mas mahal ang price. but it normally does not have the over heating issues. so practically it is always used at the front and having 4 wheel disc brakes is always better
    Disc brakes are lighter too & I don't think it's necessarily more expensive than drums. One of the problems car makers face when opting for rear disc brakes is: What to do you use for parking brakes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DacoTyan View Post
    Disc brakes are lighter too & I don't think it's necessarily more expensive than drums. One of the problems car makers face when opting for rear disc brakes is: What to do you use for parking brakes?
    Drum-in-discs. They've been around for quite a while now.

    Also, there are cars with separate calipers on their discs for handbrake use.

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    Which means this new fortuner scrimped on this feature. Atleast man lang sana maging option sa TOTL variant to justify the price. May naka 4drum pa pala na brand new, isusu i-van.[emoji16]

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    Quote Originally Posted by 12vdc View Post
    Which means this new fortuner scrimped on this feature. Atleast man lang sana maging option sa TOTL variant to justify the price. May naka 4drum pa pala na brand new, isusu i-van.[emoji16]
    I read before sa Australian models naka disc brakes, ano kaya makakarating satin.

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    usually, top most variant Lang gumamit ng 4 disc brakes. it should be better. more options for upgrade also

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    Since the front brakes do most of the braking, why is everyone so caught up with rear drum brakes?

    Pinangkakarera niyo ba mga Fortuner niyo? I'm pretty sure most people here don't even need rear discs for their kind f driving.

    Yes, 4-wheel discs are nice to have. But having rear drums shouldn't be a deal breaker for people who don't push their cars to their limits everyday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jut703 View Post
    Since the front brakes do most of the braking, why is everyone so caught up with rear drum brakes?

    Pinangkakarera niyo ba mga Fortuner niyo? I'm pretty sure most people here don't even need rear discs for their kind f driving.

    Yes, 4-wheel discs are nice to have. But having rear drums shouldn't be a deal breaker for people who don't push their cars to their limits everyday.
    Exactly. My current rides neither have rear discs and braking was never a problem kahit biglaan pa o maulan. Minsan mahirap pa inuupgrade ng kung anu-ano ang kotse, masyado na nagtitiwala sa sasakyan ang driver.

    I'm more interested in the increased refinement with this new engine and design as was said about the Hilux.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jut703 View Post
    Since the front brakes do most of the braking, why is everyone so caught up with rear drum brakes?

    Pinangkakarera niyo ba mga Fortuner niyo? I'm pretty sure most people here don't even need rear discs for their kind f driving.

    Yes, 4-wheel discs are nice to have. But having rear drums shouldn't be a deal breaker for people who don't push their cars to their limits everyday.

    AFAIK mas malakas braking power ng drums dahil mas mataas ang contact area neto. Ang problema lang is matagal mag dissipate ng heat ang drums vs disc dahil enclosed ang drums. Saka pag nag brake naman yung weight transfer napupunta sa harap para saluhin ng front discs.

    If ever may EBD man yung new fort, I guess may tulong din kung discs na yung likod since pag loaded ka ng pasahero pwede mag padala ng additional braking force sa rear dahil mas may traction na sa likod dahi sa weight ng mga pasahero/cargo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jut703 View Post
    Since the front brakes do most of the braking, why is everyone so caught up with rear drum brakes?

    Pinangkakarera niyo ba mga Fortuner niyo? I'm pretty sure most people here don't even need rear discs for their kind f driving.

    Yes, 4-wheel discs are nice to have. But having rear drums shouldn't be a deal breaker for people who don't push their cars to their limits everyday.

    AFAIK mas malakas braking power ng drums dahil mas mataas ang contact area neto. Ang problema lang is matagal mag dissipate ng heat ang drums vs disc dahil enclosed ang drums. Saka pag nag brake naman yung weight transfer napupunta sa harap para saluhin ng front discs.

    If ever may EBD man yung new fort, I guess may tulong din kung discs na yung likod since pag loaded ka ng pasahero pwede mag padala ng additional braking force sa rear dahil mas may traction na sa likod dahi sa weight ng mga pasahero/cargo.

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    they designed fortuner with care. but the hilux looks like a cockcroach. copying front nose from sub compact suzuki celerio.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kevinworld View Post
    they designed fortuner with care. but the hilux looks like a cockcroach. copying front nose from sub compact suzuki celerio.
    Whatever the reason for the fascia similarities, people will perceive that the Celerio copied from the Hilux. This opinion will favor whichever model will be more common on the road. I am pretty sure it will be the latter unless the Celerio replaces the Wigo in the Toyota lineup.

    Going back to the topic, yung all new Fortuner parang dalagang Pilipina. Habang tinititigan mo at mas matagal mong nakakasama mas lalung gumaganda.

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    Can't wait for this. Kaso if I give in to my impulse and reserve one, baka marami pang problema ito just like when the 1st gen fortuner first came out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sientobente View Post
    Can't wait for this. Kaso if I give in to my impulse and reserve one, baka marami pang problema ito just like when the 1st gen fortuner first came out.
    Mismo kumbaga baka Beta pa lang yan lalo na new design ang Engine

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    Kelan kaya lalabas ng toyota ang pricinnng?

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