PAF to Acquire Fighter Jets from Korea

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The Chosun Ilbo (English Edition): Daily News from Korea - China Asked Korea Not to Sell Jets to Philippines

China Asked Korea Not to Sell Jets to Philippines


China asked Korea not to sell FA-50 fighter jets to the Philippines, the Yomiuri Shimbun reported Saturday. The daily said Beijing made the request ahead of a summit in Seoul between President Park Geun-hye and Philippines President Benigno Aquino on Oct. 17.

Korea declined, saying it cannot accept "interference" in arms exports, an issue of its national interest, according to the daily.

In their meeting, Park thanked Aquino for Manila’s decision to buy the FA-50 jets and urged a speedy signing of the contract.

A government official here said, "The Philippines is engaged in a territorial dispute with China over the Spratly Islands, and that appears to be why Beijing protested several times through the Chinese Embassy and other channels."

The government has officially denied the Yomiuri report, but officials privately admit it.

"Every time the Korean or Filipino media reported on the FA-50 sale, China reacted sensitively trying to confirm the reports through diplomatic channels," a government source said.

But the official added the sale will go ahead.

The Spratly Islands consist of around 30,000 tiny islands and reefs occupied by China, Taiwan, Vietnam and the Philippines.

China has dispatched Navy ships to the South China Sea to bolster its presence there. The Philippines increased troop presence on the islands late last year and established a separate military command to handle their defense. Manila also recently decided to move some of its naval and air force bases near the South China Sea.

There is speculation that the Philippines is acquiring the FA-50 jets to defend the Spratly Islands.

The FA-50 is a light attack fighter jet based on the T-50 trainer jet. It can handle air-to-air and air-to-ground operations as well as taking on gunboats.

The Philippines is also in talks with Korea to spend US$650 million to purchase Korean-made frigates.

China is also engaged in territorial disputes in the South China Sea with Indonesia and Vietnam, which have either bought or are about to buy Korean weapons.

Indonesia signed deals in 2011 to buy 16 T-50 trainers for $400 million as well as three 1,200-ton submarines.

Vietnam held its first military talks with Korea last year to expand cooperation in the field.

[Altis6453]

Ano lang naman ang FA-50, multi-role nga pero light fighter lang yan. Compared sa kung ano meron ang China, wala din yan. Sa dogfight, di rin masyado makakaubra yan sa mga Chinese fighters.

Kung as trainer plane, pwede na. Tapos start na rin ang DND na maghanap ng mga F-15 o F-16

Well it is a trainer plane, first and foremost. Yes, it's not built to do dogfights, but it gives you an ability to show up where the Chinese start their incursions. Remember, presence counts a lot, notwithstanding you have less capable equipment.

The multi-role fighters will come much later, that is, if succeeding administrations stay true to the AFP Modernization plans.

[Altis6453]

Now tell me, what kind of neighbor would do this?

From the Chosunilbo:

China Asked Korea Not to Sell Jets to Philippines

China asked Korea not to sell FA-50 fighter jets to the Philippines, the Yomiuri Shimbun reported Saturday. The daily said Beijing made the request ahead of a summit in Seoul between President Park Geun-hye and Philippines President Benigno Aquino on Oct. 17.

Korea declined, saying it cannot accept "interference" in arms exports, an issue of its national interest, according to the daily.

In their meeting, Park thanked Aquino for Manila’s decision to buy the FA-50 jets and urged a speedy signing of the contract.

A government official here said, "The Philippines is engaged in a territorial dispute with China over the Spratly Islands, and that appears to be why Beijing protested several times through the Chinese Embassy and other channels."

The government has officially denied the Yomiuri report, but officials privately admit it.

"Every time the Korean or Filipino media reported on the FA-50 sale, China reacted sensitively trying to confirm the reports through diplomatic channels," a government source said.

But the official added the sale will go ahead.

The Spratly Islands consist of around 30,000 tiny islands and reefs occupied by China, Taiwan, Vietnam and the Philippines.

China has dispatched Navy ships to the South China Sea to bolster its presence there. The Philippines increased troop presence on the islands late last year and established a separate military command to handle their defense. Manila also recently decided to move some of its naval and air force bases near the South China Sea.

There is speculation that the Philippines is acquiring the FA-50 jets to defend the Spratly Islands.

The FA-50 is a light attack fighter jet based on the T-50 trainer jet. It can handle air-to-air and air-to-ground operations as well as taking on gunboats.

The Philippines is also in talks with Korea to spend US$650 million to purchase Korean-made frigates.

China is also engaged in territorial disputes in the South China Sea with Indonesia and Vietnam, which have either bought or are about to buy Korean weapons.

Indonesia signed deals in 2011 to buy 16 T-50 trainers for $400 million as well as three 1,200-ton submarines.

Vietnam held its first military talks with Korea last year to expand cooperation in the field.

[greenlyt]

I disagree with the comparison of the FA-50s with "paputok". Or, likewise, for any big-ticket defense acquisition being likened to cheap fireworks made in some decrepit backyard.

The PH put itself in this sad position of having to use outdated, dilapidated and unmodern military equipment to secure its borders and look where it got us? What's to stop another country from saying that certain islands which have historically, traditionally and legally belonged to the Philippines is now theirs?

Yes, we can't match China with all their warplanes, tanks, naval assets, etc., but at the least we shouldn't be hopelessly and hilariously outgunned in defending our territory.

agree on this, we have heard a lot regarding not modernizing our military, when the government finally makes a move, we still hear a lot saying: "eh ano naman yan binili bale wala yan, hindi yan maka match sa firepower ng china" hindi nga maka match at least its a step forward towards modernization , eh ano gusto nyo gamitin ng Pinas yun Tora Tora? its a damn if you do and damn i you dont thing

[poorprince]

For our budget and our immediate needs, the FA-50 is an ezxellent choice. Cant wait for the birds to fly back home ! :beer:

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[Manilablock]

Sayan na naman ang taxpayers money, why would you go to war on a country which majority if products you import.

punta ka lang sa supermarket at makikta mo puro made in china.

[JohnM]

Sayan na naman ang taxpayers money, why would you go to war on a country which majority if products you import.

punta ka lang sa supermarket at makikta mo puro made in china.

So kung bumibili ka pala sa sari-sari ng kapitbahay pwede na sila magpark sa tapat ng bahay mo?

[Altis6453]

Sayan na naman ang taxpayers money, why would you go to war on a country which majority if products you import.

punta ka lang sa supermarket at makikta mo puro made in china.

Who's going to war?

The whole premise has been about the Philippines being able to defend its territory. You can't defend your territory by not showing up and you can't show up without proper equipment.

If you reduce the dispute into a purely economic relations matter, then we might as well sell off our country piece by piece to the highest bidder.

[Manilablock]

Let say meron mga chinese na pumasok sa teritory natin, sample mga mangingisda.

padala tayo ng fighter jets, tapos sasabihin ng china na territory namin yan, pinas paalisin mo ang fighter jets mo.

shempre since igigiit natin na atin un mag paikot ikot ung fighter jets natin, at para mag show of force magpadala na din ng fighter jets ang china.

2 fighter jets ng magkaibang bansa, paikot ikot sa isang lugar na pinagtatalunan.

Ano ba ang pwede mangyari?

kaya nga sayang lang ang taxpayer money natin, kasi we cannot sustain military pressence in the area. At malaki ang economic impact na dahil sa stand-off incident na katulad nito ay pwedeng mag stop ang china mag export ng products nya sa atin.

Dahil hindi naman na kakayanin ng mga local industry natin na mag produce ng products for our local consumption.

[brainmafia_310]

Let say meron mga chinese na pumasok sa teritory natin, sample mga mangingisda.

padala tayo ng fighter jets, tapos sasabihin ng china na territory namin yan, pinas paalisin mo ang fighter jets mo.

shempre since igigiit natin na atin un mag paikot ikot ung fighter jets natin, at para mag show of force magpadala na din ng fighter jets ang china.

2 fighter jets ng magkaibang bansa, paikot ikot sa isang lugar na pinagtatalunan.

Ano ba ang pwede mangyari?

kaya nga sayang lang ang taxpayer money natin, kasi we cannot sustain military pressence in the area. At malaki ang economic impact na dahil sa stand-off incident na katulad nito ay pwedeng mag stop ang china mag export ng products nya sa atin.

Dahil hindi naman na kakayanin ng mga local industry natin na mag produce ng products for our local consumption.

Precisely my point!!! Sabi ng china lets engage in a bilateral talk - eh taying mga pilipino ang yabang hindi dadalhin namin sa US yan at UN. Hahahah.

Di ba naisip ng mga namumuno sa atin na baka kaya gusto ng china un bilateral is to have a compromise na in the end iwasan na nila ung scarborough shoal na yan ng hindi din mapapahiya ang china sa world stage.

Eh wala eto tayo may mutual agreement sa US na ipagtatanggol tayo sa kung ano anong incursion and whatever, me nangyari ba? Me nagawa ba? Di ba may defense treaty tayo and to think kung technicality lang ung ginawa ng china is an act of war and dapat pinapairal na ung treaty that is there for more than 50years. Pero ayun treaty pa din. Hahahha.

Yung bilyon na pera na yan, ilang classroom at ilang infrastructure na kaya niyan gawin to boost education at most importantly local trade tulad ng ginawa ng china.

After 50years, for 40 years they fixed their economy and only this past decade lang naging agressive military nila with double figure budgetary increase.

Pera pera lang labanan. Kaya tayo alang pera dapat humanap muna ng pagkakaperahan bago pagkakagastusan. Invest something with long term effect kesa short term. Makabayan ang dating pero ang taong bayan walang makain. Di naman ito rockwt science pero as far as i know this will be another thing similar to pdaf. Hahahahaha

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[Altis6453]

Let say meron mga chinese na pumasok sa teritory natin, sample mga mangingisda.

padala tayo ng fighter jets, tapos sasabihin ng china na territory namin yan, pinas paalisin mo ang fighter jets mo.

shempre since igigiit natin na atin un mag paikot ikot ung fighter jets natin, at para mag show of force magpadala na din ng fighter jets ang china.

2 fighter jets ng magkaibang bansa, paikot ikot sa isang lugar na pinagtatalunan.

Ano ba ang pwede mangyari?

kaya nga sayang lang ang taxpayer money natin, kasi we cannot sustain military pressence in the area. At malaki ang economic impact na dahil sa stand-off incident na katulad nito ay pwedeng mag stop ang china mag export ng products nya sa atin.

Dahil hindi naman na kakayanin ng mga local industry natin na mag produce ng products for our local consumption.

Well, the whole idea of this modernization of the AFP is to give it the capability to sustain such operations, like routine patrol flights and voyages by our naval vessels so you can't say its unsustainable. Magiging unsustainable lang kung hindi pag lalaanan ng pondo. Kung pera lang eh meron ang gobyerno.

Isa pa, kung hahayaan natin ang mga ginagawa ng China kasi sila ang biggest trading partner daw, eh inuulit ko---magpa sakop nalang tayo Para tawagin ding Chinese.

[chua_riwap]

mas maganda kesa tora-tora.......
sa wakas!

[brainmafia_310]

Who's going to war?

The whole premise has been about the Philippines being able to defend its territory. You can't defend your territory by not showing up and you can't show up without proper equipment.

If you reduce the dispute into a purely economic relations matter, then we might as well sell off our country piece by piece to the highest bidder.

Havent the philippines done that more than several decades ago?

Sir, afaik 80% of business man (say top 300 na lang) chinese of decent na naging pinoy lang dahil dito na tumanda. Lucio tan, henry sy, george ty, michael gotianun, and even suppliers of all kinds - semento, martilyo, paco bilangin niyo sir hardware na makikita niyo mangilan ngilan lang ang pinoy.

Second, if it is not economic- then by all means US should send all of their support according to the treaty because it is already an act of war same with what is happening in japan (which has more of everything compared to us) - even them cannot mach the fire power of the chinese considwring they have been the 2nd biggest economy for a long time and just surpasses by china i think this year.

So based on japans model as a starting military - what can we do? Of course the choice is only two PRIDE OR PEOPLE? afaik, china chooses people when they surrender hongkong to the brits.

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[brainmafia_310]

Peace brothers, its just my point especially if this things are not like lockes for 50years the next admin might focus on other things and i am just afraid that it may all end in junk. Look at all the brand new police cars they are worst than the worst taxi.

So imho, developing from within is the key to thia issue and let us not be dependent on uncle sam and etc. We have balls.

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[greenlyt]

Precisely my point!!! Sabi ng china lets engage in a bilateral talk - eh taying mga pilipino ang yabang hindi dadalhin namin sa US yan at UN. Hahahah.

Di ba naisip ng mga namumuno sa atin na baka kaya gusto ng china un bilateral is to have a compromise na in the end iwasan na nila ung scarborough shoal na yan ng hindi din mapapahiya ang china sa world stage.

Eh wala eto tayo may mutual agreement sa US na ipagtatanggol tayo sa kung ano anong incursion and whatever, me nangyari ba? Me nagawa ba? Di ba may defense treaty tayo and to think kung technicality lang ung ginawa ng china is an act of war and dapat pinapairal na ung treaty that is there for more than 50years. Pero ayun treaty pa din. Hahahha.

Yung bilyon na pera na yan, ilang classroom at ilang infrastructure na kaya niyan gawin to boost education at most importantly local trade tulad ng ginawa ng china.

After 50years, for 40 years they fixed their economy and only this past decade lang naging agressive military nila with double figure budgetary increase.

Pera pera lang labanan. Kaya tayo alang pera dapat humanap muna ng pagkakaperahan bago pagkakagastusan. Invest something with long term effect kesa short term. Makabayan ang dating pero ang taong bayan walang makain. Di naman ito rockwt science pero as far as i know this will be another thing similar to pdaf. Hahahahaha

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China:

Accept that we own the entire South China Sea (West Philippine Sea) before we talk

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ganyan ka reasonable ang China :nono:
ngayon kung hindi tayo bibili ng armas patuloy tayong ibu-bully ng China
eh eto pa lang pag purchase sa Korea mukhang kinabahan na ang China kaya sinabihan ang Soth Korea na wag tayong bentahan

Bilateral talks with China becoming impossible ? DFA | Inquirer Global Nation

[JohnM]

Peace brothers, its just my point especially if this things are not like lockes for 50years the next admin might focus on other things and i am just afraid that it may all end in junk. Look at all the brand new police cars they are worst than the worst taxi.

So imho, developing from within is the key to thia issue and let us not be dependent on uncle sam and etc. We have balls.

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The contract includes parts and service for a few years so medyo matagal pa bago masira yan. Pilots AND mechanics/maintainers will be sent to Korea to learn the ins and outs of the plane. All of the recent DND contracts require this (including GMA's Sokol choppers) dahil natuto na sila (sana) sa past mistakes nila in terms of maintenance. PNP? BFP? Ewan ko na lang

And notice we're not buying American although US-based technology din sya. Good because we are familiar with their weapons and practices. Pero so far sa mga modernization plans we're not going American mostly because mas mahal sila compared to Korea, Italy or Indonesia. We are also building our local maintenance people as evidenced by our fully-rebuilt C130 which flew out of Clark a few months ago and is helping Zamboanga and Bohol.

And going back to your bilateral point: the reason why China does not want to bring the Spratleys issue to the UN is mainly because of their 9-dash line (Nine-dotted line - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) which does not recognize the UN's 200 mile(?) EEZ around our coast. If we go bilateral they will insist on the 9-dash line so say goodbye to our islands (including natural resources) in the West Philippine Sea. IMO that's not acceptable.

[brainmafia_310]

Yup south china sea is owned by china, but not scarborough shoal. Heheheh. Imho, in case na ganyan mangayayri magfull scale conflict ito sa mafaling panahon. Sino nasa loosing end? Tayo pa din. Hahahha. Do you think aaction US? Nononono. They are occupied with all of what they are doing now. Hahahha. Japan di ba tinease ng both russia and china on both ends and pasok sa terotoryo ng japan, may nangyari po ba. Heheheh

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[JohnM]

Yup south china sea is owned by china, but not scarborough shoal. Heheheh. Imho, in case na ganyan mangayayri magfull scale conflict ito sa mafaling panahon. Sino nasa loosing end? Tayo pa din. Hahahha. Do you think aaction US? Nononono. They are occupied with all of what they are doing now. Hahahha. Japan di ba tinease ng both russia and china on both ends and pasok sa terotoryo ng japan, may nangyari po ba. Heheheh

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Tali ang kamay ng US. Di lang tayo may MDT sa kanila. AFAIK meron din sila sa Taiwan (which China is claiming as a rebel state) and Korea. So if the US does not honor its MDT with us they will lose their international credibility.

Pero ang MDT does not mean na titihaya na lang tayo and iyak na lang kung may lulusob

[yebo]

pvtangina ng mga duwag dito sa forum! ano gusto nyo papakant0t sa pwet na lang tayo sa mga intsik na walang kalaban-laban? kung yung babae na may nakatutok na balisong sa leeg lumalaban pa, kayo naman puro surrender na agad nasa isip nyo. kaya nga inuumpisahan bumili ng kahit konti para pag laon e meron. sino ba nagsabi na makikipag-gyera na tayo pag nadeliver ang 12 na FA50? 12 sa una, tapos baka masundan ng 12 pa, tapos susunod baka sakali eurofighter, o kahit f16 na lang. at madagdagan sana ng land based air defends system.

e gusto nyo naman biglang yaman agad e. o kaya gusto nyo surrender na lang.magsilayas na nga lang kayo sa pilipinas at wala naman pala kayong silbi pag nagka-ipitan. siguro di pa nagla-landing mga intsik nakasuot na kayo ng uniform ninyo ng colLaborator! bwiset!

OO, TINATAWAG KO KAYONG MGA TRAIDOR!!!

[yebo]

Patahi na kayo ng arm band na ganito o, tutal yan ang gusto nyo di ba? Collaborator ng china! Traidor!




o yan, ready na kayo! may lolo ba kayong MAKAPILI? ows, aminin!