Suzuki APV [Merged Threads]

[keno4864]

Just an update, I was able to go 80 kph and above this Sunday with my apv.
I can begin to notice the humming or whining (umu-ugong) sound starting at
40 to 50 kph up to 70 kph ( not that loud as before ) and then disappearing
at 80 kph and above. Don't know why? Maybe, there are minor wears already
in the pinion and ring gear? Or not properly mesh gears? Need to observe it
further for now and I hope it's not from the automatic transmission anymore.

*Keno4864 sir, did your mechanic tried checking propeller shaft and ujoints?

I asked if the cross joint in the propeller has damage and they reply no because they check it when pulled
down the propeller to remove the pinion's bearing. I also asked how did they measure the clearance between
the pinion and ring gear? They said they used a filler gauge. Maybe, they might have set the backlash
incorrectly? Or there were minor wears already? I red that one of the critical measurements that must
be made is setting the backlash. What is backlash? When I turn the pinion on the differential it will
turn a specific amount of space before it actually contacts the the ring gear to turn the axles. If I have
too little backlash the pinion is jammed into the ring gear and this will produce a lot of friction and heat
and will lock up the rear axle. It will not turn freely. If I have too much backlash the pinion and ring
gear will be too far apart and this will allow the gears not to mess properly and with the force of the motor,
it will chip and destroy the teeth of the gears. This will cause excessive whining and will eventually destroy
the axle. Maybe the gears have this damages already?

I called up Suzuki parts today and inquire about the rear differential carrier sub assembly ( bungo yata
sa tagalog ) and it cost 125,921.00 Php ! They say, the carrier assembly is hard to fix because the gears
inside has specific clearances. If I buy the part they will just install it to the differential housing and it
already includes the pinion and ring gear. The question now is, how accurate can they set the clearance
between the pinion and ring gear?

Anyway, I will just keep on using the apv and hopes it does not get worse. Thank you.

[danding]

*keno and oli - thanks mga sir. dito kasi sa baguio wala naman nagsisita.
gusto ko lang malaman kung paano patakaran diyan sa lugar ninyo. gusto
ko sana palitan ng yellow yung fogs pero karamihan naman kasi dito
puro puti ang foglights. siguro para makaiwas sila sa sita. marami dito
naka on palagi ang foglights.

[12vdc]

* Keno, sir baka meron sa salvage yard..hehe. Backlash, in tagalog salyada.. It wont cause much vibrations but yeah gears will get damaged later if not within correct specs. Noise and sound troubleshooting can sometimes be a biatch, that isolation by elimination method is the only solution.

IIRC, youre AT pan had a damage/dent, its also probable that the propeller was damaged causing sound/vibration/oscillation on a certain speed.
Try also the runout procedure maybe some shop is offering the service similar to this..



Or if it wont cause you toomuch worries and you could tolerate the noise, just ignore it..hehe

[miletpogi]

mga boss. ask ko lng kng ok ung kulay na ibibigay sakin na tint. Platinum ung brand and Dark20. un daw standard ng apv. d b masyadong madilim un? tnx

[olidotcom]

*keno and oli - thanks mga sir. dito kasi sa baguio wala naman nagsisita.
gusto ko lang malaman kung paano patakaran diyan sa lugar ninyo. gusto
ko sana palitan ng yellow yung fogs pero karamihan naman kasi dito
puro puti ang foglights. siguro para makaiwas sila sa sita. marami dito
naka on palagi ang foglights.

ay sir.. nasa baguio nga pala kayo.. you dont have any worries on those.. required nga dapat kayo naka fogs dahil nga foggy dyan sa baguio.. and yellow fogs is also proper.. mas kita kita lalu na kung malakas ang ulan.

[danding]

ay sir.. nasa baguio nga pala kayo.. you dont have any worries on those.. required nga dapat kayo naka fogs dahil nga foggy dyan sa baguio.. and yellow fogs is also proper.. mas kita kita lalu na kung malakas ang ulan.

oo sir required dito kaya lang kung minsan mayabang mga driver ng mga jeep dito lalo na yung
mga bata na hindi taga baguio. minsan nga muntik akong banggain ng isang jeep dahil nasilaw
ata sa headlight ko eh naka low beam naman ako at trapik (nung naka corolla pa lang ako
kaya ngayon sa apv ko naka off palagi tong fogs ko. hays buhay nga naman.....

[keno4864]

* Keno, sir baka meron sa salvage yard..hehe. Backlash, in tagalog salyada.. It wont cause much vibrations but yeah gears will get damaged later if not within correct specs. Noise and sound troubleshooting can sometimes be a biatch, that isolation by elimination method is the only solution.

IIRC, youre AT pan had a damage/dent, its also probable that the propeller was damaged causing sound/vibration/oscillation on a certain speed.
Try also the runout procedure maybe some shop is offering the service.
Or if it wont cause you toomuch worries and you could tolerate the noise, just ignore it..hehe

Thank you 12vdc, I will try to ask around if this rear differential gear assembly is available in the salvage
yard or as a surplus parts but I know it won't be easy to find one. Suzuki parts also have to order this
carrier sub assembly in Japan and will take about 45 days according to them. Price is 125,921.00 Php !

The shop told me to bring the apv back to them after one month to check if they need to re-adjust
the pinion and ring gear. I feel that the shop may have adjusted the pinion and ring gear a little tight?

It's hard to find an auto repair shop or machine shop that specialize in fixing the differential or propeller
shaft here. The auto shop here can replace all the bearings in the differential assembly but I am not
sure they have the instrument and experience to accurately return it to specs.

Since I use the apv everyday to take the kids to school and only run four kilometers a day with
speed below 40 kph. The noise or sound is hardly noticed.

I red this in the web and I think this might be the problem in my apv's differential.

From : VehiCROSS.info Forums > VehiCROSS Topics > VX Troubleshooting... > Differential whine fixed!

Post by : PBR , 10/05/2003, 06:10 PM

" It was a high pitched whine foot on the accelerator, no noise foot off, dealer put new gear and bearings in diff. problem solved. "


Differential whine fixed! [Text View] - VehiCROSS.info Forums


Suzuki apv automatic transmission humming sound - YouTube


If this is the problem, the pinion and ring gear can be ordered at Suzuki parts and will cost about
37,382.00 Php. They say it would take three days to order the parts.

Anyway, I am still observing the sound and just enjoy driving the apv at the moment.

Happy weekend to everybody, thank you.

[miletpogi]

hi po mga boss. nakuha ko na ung apv ko last friday. break in ko agad sa highest point. then baba kamu manaoag for the blessing. ok talaga cya tumakbo parang kotse lng. d hirap sa curve and akyatin. then ung topspeed n napaabot ko sa kanya is 145kph. tingin ko kaya pa tumaas. 800 kilometers ung inabot ng trip namin and we only spend a full tank and a half. papa change oil ko na kaagad sa saturday. just sharing po

[danding]

hi po mga boss. nakuha ko na ung apv ko last friday. break in ko agad sa highest point. then baba kamu manaoag for the blessing. ok talaga cya tumakbo parang kotse lng. d hirap sa curve and akyatin. then ung topspeed n napaabot ko sa kanya is 145kph. tingin ko kaya pa tumaas. 800 kilometers ung inabot ng trip namin and we only spend a full tank and a half. papa change oil ko na kaagad sa saturday. just sharing po

ayos sir miletpogi!!! congrats sa new ride mo. enjoy your ride sir.....

[olidotcom]

ayos sir miletpogi!!! congrats sa new ride mo. enjoy your ride sir.....

upcoming Team APV road trip to Lipa Batangas mga sir! hope you can join this December 22!

[miletpogi]

mga boss, san nga pala pwedeng makabili ng matting ng APV natin. Naglibot ako sa banawe this morning , wala ako makita. Baka meron kau alam? thanks in advance

[olidotcom]

mga boss, san nga pala pwedeng makabili ng matting ng APV natin. Naglibot ako sa banawe this morning , wala ako makita. Baka meron kau alam? thanks in advance

try goldcars po sir.

[victorevolution]

*keno kamusta na yung apv boss, hope everything is well

[keno4864]

*keno kamusta na yung apv boss, hope everything is well

Thank you sir victorevolution for asking, well the apv's still have this humming or whining sound
at 35 kph up to 70 kph ( the loudest was at 60 kph ). Not that loud as before after the bearings
were replaced in the rear differential assembly but I will take the apv back to the shop next year
to have them check it again.

I spotted an apv last Sunday on my way to Lucky Chinatown Mall in Binondo, Manila.





Lucky Chinatown Mall



No problem in going up the parking at the seventh floor, I just put it in L on the inclined.




Thank you, just sharing.

[teteng]

No traffic???!!!

[keno4864]

No traffic???!!!

It was traffic at Masangkay St. and Soler St. going to Lucky China Mall
in Reina Regente St., Binondo Manila. I think we arrived at the Mall by
3:30 pm that December 9,2012.



By the way, I also got a picture of the Denso service center in Soler St. that day.





This is where I got my apv's aircon serviced.

Thank you.

[victorevolution]

anyone tried going to the dambana ng kagitingan, as far as i know madaming auto tumitirik dito, i wonder would our apv be up to the challenge?

*kenko, good to hear baka di nga tranny yan

hehehe i've been into all kinds of parking lots, di naman nahirapan apv paakya and didn't even used l (only 2), per pag pababa (extremly steep decline)i shift to L kaya nga napaisip ako kung sa dambana ng kagitingan kaya sa bataan...?

[keno4864]

anyone tried going to the dambana ng kagitingan, as far as i know madaming auto tumitirik dito, i wonder would our apv be up to the challenge?

*keno, good to hear baka di nga tranny yan

hehehe i've been into all kinds of parking lots, di naman nahirapan apv paakya and didn't even used l (only 2), per pag pababa (extremly steep decline)i shift to L kaya nga napaisip ako kung sa dambana ng kagitingan kaya sa bataan...?

Thank you sir victorevolution, the differential is not that complex as the transmission but
if the mechanic cannot set the right clearances, it will still make this humming/ whining
sound. I would advice everyone to check and replace the gear oil in the rear differential
gear of there apv's to prevent any problems.





I think our apv's can climb this.

[victorevolution]

*kenko thanks for all the input you have shown here, because of your experience and detail documentation of the problem and solution to each of them, it helped a lot of apv owners. thanks kenko

[teteng]

Hi Sir!

I've been to Mt. Samat twice with my manual apv. Both times hindi ako nakapasok doon sa cross, huhuhu!

Kaya ng apv sir, yung first trip ko we were 6 medium-sized adults and 4 kids. There were instances where I really had to shift into first gear (blame it on the driver siguro), but other than that, kayang kaya. I drive all the way to the upper parking level nga pala, not at the foot of the steps.