Usapang Boxing Thread

[Zeus]

don not underestimate martinez. advantage lang ni pacman sa kanya ay speed. pero mabilis din itong si martinez for his size. iba ito kesa kay cotto, clottey at margarito. hindi ito tipong tatayo lang sa harap at magpapasuntok kay pacman.

late bloomer din itong si martinez. 20 yrs old nung magsimula mag boxing.

Ano ba ang height ni Martinez? e kung nanalo si Pacman dito, pang 9th tiltle niya?

[fourtheboys96]

Ano ba ang height ni Martinez? e kung nanalo si Pacman dito, pang 9th tiltle niya?

martinez is around 5'10".

don't get me wrong. i've followed pacman since his blow by blow days (6th or 7th prof fight) and i'm a big fan. but fighting martinez is biting more than he can chew. he can box and brawl. hits hard and hard to hit especially given pacman's height. imagine JMM but taller and bigger.

[Chadmack]

martinez is around 5'10".

don't get me wrong. i've followed pacman since his blow by blow days (6th or 7th prof fight) and i'm a big fan. but fighting martinez is biting more than he can chew. he can box and brawl. hits hard and hard to hit especially given pacman's height. imagine JMM but taller and bigger.

parang overstatement naman yung JMM but taller. martinez is a brawler, he is not a great counterpuncher like JMM, he has speed and has an awkward style which makes him successful.

imho, if they do a contracted weight of 150-152, pac would still come in below 147 to maintain his speed; martinez will not come in higher than 160 cause he will lose his speed. nde pa kasi nakakakalaban si martinez nung mga class nila Pacquiao at Mayweather, though mas maliit man itong mga ito, i bet martinez will have a hard time fighting " slick and skilled counterpunchers".

martinez is not hard to hit also and is not a KO artist.

only problem for Pac is that Martinez is also a lefty, mawawala edge ni pac sa right hook nya.

this is not a case of "a good big man always beat a good little man", cause pac is the "great little man"

sensya na, a lot has been said with Pac and was proven wrong... Barrera is too big and too skilled... Morales is too big and too skilled... Dela Hoya is too big and very much more powerful... Hatton is a strong boxer in his prime... Cotto is a strong skilled boxer that is more bigger than pac and is at the peak of his career.... Margo is too big and too powerful... masyado lang din malakas ang mind set ni pac to overcome the odds, eto malamang yung pinakaedge nya sa mga kalaban.....

[FullThrottle]

parang overstatement naman yung JMM but taller. martinez is a brawler, he is not a great counterpuncher like JMM, he has speed and has an awkward style which makes him successful.

imho, if they do a contracted weight of 150-152, pac would still come in below 147 to maintain his speed; martinez will not come in higher than 160 cause he will lose his speed. nde pa kasi nakakakalaban si martinez nung mga class nila Pacquiao at Mayweather, though mas maliit man itong mga ito, i bet martinez will have a hard time fighting " slick and skilled counterpunchers".

martinez is not hard to hit also and is not a KO artist.

only problem for Pac is that Martinez is also a lefty, mawawala edge ni pac sa right hook nya.

this is not a case of "a good big man always beat a good little man", cause pac is the "great little man"

sensya na, a lot has been said with Pac and was proven wrong... Barrera is too big and too skilled... Morales is too big and too skilled... Dela Hoya is too big and very much more powerful... Hatton is a strong boxer in his prime... Cotto is a strong skilled boxer that is more bigger than pac and is at the peak of his career.... Margo is too big and too powerful... masyado lang din malakas ang mind set ni pac to overcome the odds, eto malamang yung pinakaedge nya sa mga kalaban.....

Yup Pac will still come in at 147 anyway, so it's better maglaban sila ni Martinez at welterweight. No point defending that belt when it's outside Pac's natural fighting weight.

Anyway excited ako sa laban this weekend, pag nanalo si Marquez asahan nyong si Pacquiao na naman ang bukangbibig nyan. Pero pag sinuwerte si Katsidis (which I am silently wishing for), pagtyagaan na lang ni JMM si Erik Morales.

[Chadmack]

Yup Pac will still come in at 147 anyway, so it's better maglaban sila ni Martinez at welterweight. No point defending that belt when it's outside Pac's natural fighting weight.

Anyway excited ako sa laban this weekend, pag nanalo si Marquez asahan nyong si Pacquiao na naman ang bukangbibig nyan. Pero pag sinuwerte si Katsidis (which I am silently wishing for), pagtyagaan na lang ni JMM si Erik Morales.

pac fight kasi means big payday tingnan nyo si Margo, happy na sya kahit nagulpi

gusto ko ring manalo si katsidis hehehe

[fourtheboys96]

parang overstatement naman yung JMM but taller. martinez is a brawler, he is not a great counterpuncher like JMM, he has speed and has an awkward style which makes him successful.

imho, if they do a contracted weight of 150-152, pac would still come in below 147 to maintain his speed; martinez will not come in higher than 160 cause he will lose his speed. nde pa kasi nakakakalaban si martinez nung mga class nila Pacquiao at Mayweather, though mas maliit man itong mga ito, i bet martinez will have a hard time fighting " slick and skilled counterpunchers".

martinez is not hard to hit also and is not a KO artist.

only problem for Pac is that Martinez is also a lefty, mawawala edge ni pac sa right hook nya.

this is not a case of "a good big man always beat a good little man", cause pac is the "great little man"

sensya na, a lot has been said with Pac and was proven wrong... Barrera is too big and too skilled... Morales is too big and too skilled... Dela Hoya is too big and very much more powerful... Hatton is a strong boxer in his prime... Cotto is a strong skilled boxer that is more bigger than pac and is at the peak of his career.... Margo is too big and too powerful... masyado lang din malakas ang mind set ni pac to overcome the odds, eto malamang yung pinakaedge nya sa mga kalaban.....

if pac is so great, why fight in catchweights??? enough of those bullshit catchweights.

152lbs is too low for martinez. and he'll come in higher than 160lbs come fight time. he is a middle weight champ not a junior middle catchweight champ like pacman.

if pacman wants to fight for 154lbs and 160lbs titles, he should allow his opponents to weigh in at the limits of those divisions. if he cannot do that, just stay in 147lbs or 140lbs division. there other meaningful fights out there.

[safeorigin]

oh and a 17 lb advantage wasn't apparent enough

[bambino]

masyado na maliit si pacman kung lalaban kay martinez sa middle weight.

pero kung gusto ni martinez mag kapera, why not kahit siguro sa flyweight papayag sya.


if the price is right , everything's OK.

[vito corleone]

masyado na maliit si pacman kung lalaban kay martinez sa middle weight.

pero kung gusto ni martinez mag kapera, why not kahit siguro sa flyweight papayag sya.


if the price is right , everything's OK.

everybody wants to be in the ring with pacman for the money it will bring them. . .i can remember darchinyan last year stupidly suggesting a fight between him and manny

si maryweather lang ang ayaw kasi he can draw money himself

[Chadmack]

if pac is so great, why fight in catchweights??? enough of those bullshit catchweights.

152lbs is too low for martinez. and he'll come in higher than 160lbs come fight time. he is a middle weight champ not a junior middle catchweight champ like pacman.

if pacman wants to fight for 154lbs and 160lbs titles, he should allow his opponents to weigh in at the limits of those divisions. if he cannot do that, just stay in 147lbs or 140lbs division. there other meaningful fights out there.

blame the opponents for agreeing with the terms laid out upon them... pwede namang tumanggi eh... the boxers agreed to it, promoters bargain for it, heck even the boxing commission sanctioned them and put up a belt even.

fyi nde lang po si pacman ang lumalaban with catchweights....
martinez-williams 2
mayweather-jmm - wheree the great floyd came in overweight!!
Pernell Whitaker vs Julio Cesar Chavez
Jimmy McLarnin vs Pancho Villa
Bernard Hopkins vs Oscar De La Hoya
Roy Jones vs Felix Trinidad
SRL-Hearns 2
BHOP-Pavlik
Bhop-Winky
Gatti-Ward 1, 2, 3

heck even Henry Armstrong and Sugar Ray Robinson fought at catchweights.

anyway, i hate these catchweights too as it taints the glory of the bout for pac, much like what you are insinuating. but there are just conditions that are accepted by both parties and have enough time to prepare for the bout.... money is power i guess and that brings a lot in the negotiating table....

moreover,the purpose of catchweights is to prevent weight mismatches that can endanger the fighters, this in itself merits a lot.

[paolorenzo]

Ang galeng talaga ni JMM... Overcame another early knockdown, and TKO'd Katsidis in the 9th...

[desert fox]

Ang galeng talaga ni JMM... Overcame another early knockdown, and TKO'd Katsidis in the 9th...

Good...we want to see JMM against our very own....

140 or 147.....

[FullThrottle]

Sabi ni Roach hindi na daw bababa si Pac below 147 so malamang welterweight ang laban nila kung sakali. Parang malabo lang mangyari dahil sa hidwaang GBP & Top Rank.

Nakakatawa tong si Marquez sabi nya twice na niyang natalo si Pacquiao, para tuloy gusto mong tanungin e yun na naman pala 2x mo nang natalo ba't gusto mo pa ng trilogy?

[_Qwerty_]

malakas din yung Andre Berto.. kakatakot.. unbeaten pa.. pwede din kay Pacquiao to.. walang catchweight catchweight.. 147lbs kung 147lbs..

[FullThrottle]

Yup, malakas si Berto, mabilis din pero hindi kasing-bilis ni Pac. Sabi dati ni Arum kay JMM labananan daw muna niya si Berto to prove that he can compete at higher weights before he challenges Pac.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiFvpo5mQIM"]YouTube - Andre Berto vs. Freddy Hernandez (Full Fight)[/ame]

[vito corleone]

Nakakatawa tong si Marquez sabi nya twice na niyang natalo si Pacquiao, para tuloy gusto mong tanungin e yun na naman pala 2x mo nang natalo ba't gusto mo pa ng trilogy?

did he mean what he said? if so, antindi ng kasinungalingan sa sarili ng tao na yan

twice na silang naglaban:

apat na beses syang bumagsak. . .

yung unang laban, kaya lang sya nakadraw e dahil sa katangahan ng isang judge in scoring multiple knockdowns in the same round. . .

dun sa pangalawang laban e bumagsak na naman sya and 2 out of 3 judges said pacquiao won the fight. . .

pera lang din ang gusto nyang si marquez kaya habol sya ng habol ke pacman

[vito corleone]

blame the opponents for agreeing with the terms laid out upon them... pwede namang tumanggi eh... the boxers agreed to it, promoters bargain for it, heck even the boxing commission sanctioned them and put up a belt even.

fyi nde lang po si pacman ang lumalaban with catchweights....
martinez-williams 2
mayweather-jmm - wheree the great floyd came in overweight!!
Pernell Whitaker vs Julio Cesar Chavez
Jimmy McLarnin vs Pancho Villa
Bernard Hopkins vs Oscar De La Hoya
Roy Jones vs Felix Trinidad
SRL-Hearns 2
BHOP-Pavlik
Bhop-Winky
Gatti-Ward 1, 2, 3

heck even Henry Armstrong and Sugar Ray Robinson fought at catchweights.

anyway, i hate these catchweights too as it taints the glory of the bout for pac, much like what you are insinuating. but there are just conditions that are accepted by both parties and have enough time to prepare for the bout.... money is power i guess and that brings a lot in the negotiating table....

moreover,the purpose of catchweights is to prevent weight mismatches that can endanger the fighters, this in itself merits a lot.

nice research, bro. . .at kahit sa mma me catchweights din

[desert fox]

Sabi ni Roach hindi na daw bababa si Pac below 147 so malamang welterweight ang laban nila kung sakali. Parang malabo lang mangyari dahil sa hidwaang GBP & Top Rank.

Nakakatawa tong si Marquez sabi nya twice na niyang natalo si Pacquiao, para tuloy gusto mong tanungin e yun na naman pala 2x mo nang natalo ba't gusto mo pa ng trilogy?

di bababa o hindi na tataas? kasi noong lumaban siya ke Marga, nag148 siya.sa Weigh in ay 144 something lang....

whatever...hahaha...yun na nga tinalo nya daw ng 2x pero siya itong iyak ng iyak...kaya gusto kong maglaban na uli ang 2 na yan para matapos na pag-ngawa nyan wee wee boy na si JMM...

[jojomonsalud]

malakas din yung Andre Berto.. kakatakot.. unbeaten pa.. pwede din kay Pacquiao to.. walang catchweight catchweight.. 147lbs kung 147lbs..

ang lakas din ng kanan mukhang magandang makalaban ni pacman

[desert fox]

ang lakas din ng kanan mukhang magandang makalaban ni pacman

Si berto na taga Haiti na dapat makalaban ni Mosley? gawa ng lindol sa Haiti kaya hindi natuloy?

Mahusay din, pero di papatulan ni uncle Bob gawa ng walang dating sa boxing fans...lam mo na bro, business....