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    #37621
    Quote Originally Posted by Athrunzala View Post
    Doc, if once or twice lang nangyayari angs SADS every year then it is normal, problem is, in just a one-year span, hundreds of athletes na ang namamatay. This shows that it is not normal.


    Doc, may nabalitaan ka na bang madaming Vaccinated Canadian Doctors ang namatay recently? Balita ito sa social media, pero malakas talaga ang MSM Firewall...
    but that's just it!
    the authority FIFA says such SADS deaths as reported, simply did not happen.
    FIFA says it is not aware of a rise in cardiac arrests... no cases have been flagged in relation to individuals receiving a covid vaccine...

    christian eriksen had a cardiac arrest, during a game,
    attributed to covid vaccine,
    even as he has never been covid vaccinated.

    those three trillium doctors from canada?
    they all died of cancer.

    nowadays,
    covid and covid vaccine are the default whipping boys.
    "convenient happenstance."

    my point: don't take the convenient way out. don't just cut and paste. do some research naman, guys.
    Last edited by dr. d; September 16th, 2022 at 01:19 AM.

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    #37622
    oo nga.

    i follow futbol news consistently and have never heard of this amount of players having SADS.
    Yes Christian Eriksson did have a heart attack but he is now still playing in the English Premier League.
    Yes there have been players even before the start of the Pandemic who would collapse or would be found unfit during their Medical. They are few every year.

    But how come it is only happening in Futbol then? why not Basketball? American Football? Baseball? Hockey? Tennis?

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    #37623
    Quote Originally Posted by ale828 View Post
    oo nga.

    i follow futbol news consistently and have never heard of this amount of players having SADS.
    Yes Christian Eriksson did have a heart attack but he is now still playing in the English Premier League.
    Yes there have been players even before the start of the Pandemic who would collapse or would be found unfit during their Medical. They are few every year.

    But how come it is only happening in Futbol then? why not Basketball? American Football? Baseball? Hockey? Tennis?
    the internet is full of stories of athletes dropping like a rock, during their game. not only in futbol.
    there's the one who feelt woozy during a polo match,
    another after a badminton game.
    ... basketball...
    ... even before covid.
    one has but to look outside of futbol.

    a family acquaintance in his 30s,
    he felt woozy while he was performing an operation.
    he asked his first assist to take over.
    "he didn't make it."
    apparently, in retrospect, "it was a family genetic trait..."

    even the royal guard beside The Queen's casket, fell.
    heh heh.
    Last edited by dr. d; September 16th, 2022 at 02:36 PM.

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    #37624
    Sorry Doc, cannot reply, dami ko nang pinost, posted them twice , pero binubura talaga mga post ko. Si Cathy siguro haha!

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    #37625
    Quote Originally Posted by Athrunzala View Post
    Sorry Doc, cannot reply, dami ko nang pinost, posted them twice , pero binubura talaga mga post ko. Si Cathy siguro haha!
    You mean lahat ng post mo na walang kwenta, filtered pa pala sa lagay na yun?

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    #37626
    Quote Originally Posted by Athrunzala View Post
    Sorry Doc, cannot reply, dami ko nang pinost, posted them twice , pero binubura talaga mga post ko. Si Cathy siguro haha!
    ... mebbe the contents were obviously, even to the layman, deemed "without merit"...

    an authority once said, "90% of what you find in the internet, are garbage".

    in medical literature, there are pointers on how one might detect these balderdash.
    one method is to check on the writers and the institution mentioned in the article. simply googling the names can sometimes yield fruitful tidbits on how industry folks see them.

    are there many independent reports, all supporting of the same incident or finding?
    are there many reports, but all quoting from the same mother report?
    are the writers/reporters/publishers of good repute? or are they known in the industry, for being "hired hands" or slanted scientific journalism?

    there is at least one institution,
    whose source of information are "ordinary walk-in contributors".
    anyone may click in and share their experience.
    there is no cross-check, whatsoever.
    the objective of this institution, is not to report facts, but to give potential researchers possible topics for investigation...
    what makes the error here, is that other authors quote these "findings" and pass them off as the Word of the Almighty.
    Last edited by dr. d; September 17th, 2022 at 11:12 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dr. d View Post
    ... mebbe the contents were obviously, even to the layman, deemed "without merit"...

    an authority once said, "90% of what you find in the internet, are garbage".

    in medical literature, there are pointers on how one might detect these balderdash.
    one method is to check on the writers and the institution mentioned in the article. simply googling the names can sometimes yield fruitful tidbits on how industry folks see them.

    are there many independent reports, all supporting of the same incident or finding?
    are there many reports, but all quoting from the same mother report?
    are the writers/reporters/publishers of good repute? or are they known in the industry, for being "hired hands" or slanted scientific journalism?

    there is at least one institution,
    whose source of information are "ordinary walk-in contributors".
    anyone may click in and share their experience.
    there is no cross-check, whatsoever.
    the objective of this institution, is not to report facts, but to give potential researchers possible topics for investigation...
    what makes the error here, is that other authors quote these "findings" and pass them off as the Word of the Almighty.

    Doc, sa tingin mo mas maganda kung yung mga reports na ipopost natin are from reputable scientific journals like The Lancet, Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA), and New England Journal of Medicine (NEJM)?

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    #37628
    Quote Originally Posted by Athrunzala View Post
    Doc, sa tingin mo mas maganda kung yung mga reports na ipopost natin are from reputable scientific journals like The Lancet, Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA), and New England Journal of Medicine (NEJM)?
    you said it:
    "reputable".

    "but even reputable journals can make mistakes."
    recanting a previously-published article can, did, does, and will happen, again.

    but i tell you,
    reading thru these high-fallutin' journals...
    i need lots of coffee!
    Last edited by dr. d; September 17th, 2022 at 10:40 PM.

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    #37629
    Quote Originally Posted by dr. d View Post
    you said it:
    "reputable".

    "but even reputable journals can make mistakes."
    recanting a previously-published article can, did, does, and will happen, again.

    like if they said that covid vaccines are safe and effective in the past, in the future, they might say covid vaccines can really cause heart attack and brain strokes?

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    #37630
    Quote Originally Posted by Athrunzala View Post
    like if they said that covid vaccines are safe and effective in the past, in the future, they might say covid vaccines can really cause heart attack and brain strokes?
    puede rin!

    science is ever-changing.
    today's Gospel Truth may be tomorrow's buffoonery.

    yestercenturies ago,
    they thought the world was as flat as a pizza pie.
    aristotle was quoted as saying that men had more teeth than women.
    galileo was branded a heretic, for declaring that the earth revolved around the sun, and not the other way around.
    the bubonic plague had physicians at that time, dressed to prevent getting contaminated by patients and by breathing foul air, not knowing that the vector was the lowly rat...

    a few decades ago,
    people would die of a simple infection, because there were no antibiotics yet.

    a few years ago,
    submarines were built with sharper noses.
    today, science has taught them to build submarines with blunter noses.

    when nature grudgingly gives away its secrets,
    we are given the opportunity to change our way of thinking.

    even in my five years of medical school,
    treatments widely performed during my first year, had since been replaced by new treatment protocols, by the time i graduated.

    hey!
    i'm open to change.
    but let us see the evidence first.

    in science, there is this saying:
    "when you are standing still, you are actually back-sliding."
    Last edited by dr. d; September 17th, 2022 at 11:16 PM.

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    #37631
    Quote Originally Posted by dr. d View Post
    puede rin!

    science is ever-changing.
    today's Gospel Truth may be tomorrow's buffoonery.

    yestercenturies ago,
    they thought the world was as flat as a pizza pie.
    aristotle was quoted as saying that men had more teeth than women.
    galileo was branded a heretic, for declaring that the earth revolved around the sun, and not the other way around.
    the bubonic plague had physicians at that time, dressed to prevent getting contaminated by patients and by breathing foul air, not knowing that the vector was the lowly rat...

    a few years ago,
    submarines were built with sharper noses.
    today, science has taught them to build submarines with blunter noses.

    when nature grudgingly gives away its secrets,
    we are given the opportunity to change our way of thinking.

    hey!
    i'm open to change.
    but let us see the evidence first.

    Doc, I remember watching a video of Dr. Robert Malone (MRNA scientist) and Dr. Geert Vanden Boscche (Virologist, former employee of Bill/Melinda Gates Foundation) in Rumble. They said that covid vaccines should not be given to children because there is no long-term study, like a 5-10 year study. The reason for this is the phenomenon of autoimmune diseases. They said that even if vaccines passed the Phase III trials (if there is any), scientists/researchers would still monitor and followup their test subjects because autoimmune diseases in children can be delayed in showing up, like in their 3rd year after taking the shots. So in our case, anything can happen in the next 3 years...

    So I guess the 100% safe and effective slogan is not peer-reviewed hehe.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Athrunzala View Post
    Doc, I remember watching a video of Dr. Robert Malone (MRNA scientist) and Dr. Geert Vanden Boscche (Virologist, former employee of Bill/Melinda Gates Foundation) in Rumble. They said that covid vaccines should not be given to children because there is no long-term study, like a 5-10 year study. The reason for this is the phenomenon of autoimmune diseases. They said that even if vaccines passed the Phase III trials (if there is any), scientists/researchers would still monitor and followup their test subjects because autoimmune diseases in children can be delayed in showing up, like in their 3rd year after taking the shots.

    So I guess the 100% safe and effective slogan is not peer-reviewed hehe.....
    someone actually said 100 % safe and effective?
    personally, i wouldn't.
    and definitely not with vaccines!

    this is what peer reviewers do.
    they read the paper. they look up the methodologies. they check the numbers. they check the data from which the papers are based on. if everything seems to be good, then the paper is approved for publishing.

    but peer reviewers are also human. they are not privy to facts not divulged by nature.
    there are many examples of peer-reviewed scholarly articles, that have since been proven wrong.
    einstein said, "God does not play dice with the universe."
    well, heisenberg proved him wrong. "God does play dice with the universe."
    and hawking put it over one more: "not only does God play dice; He sometimes throws them where they can not be seen."

    "there is no long-term study" is not to be interpreted as "it is safe, now and forever!", or "it is un-safe, caveat kayo!".
    it simply means, "there is no long-term study" at the present time.

    research involving children has always been a sensitive issue.
    that is perhaps why there are very visible pros and cons.
    "we must weigh what we may win, by what we might lose."

    basically,
    it is saying that for the time being, there is no good evidence suggesting of long-term complications.
    maybe after 3 years... 20 years, someone will... notice something.

    who knows... maybe science will throw us a curve ball...

    sabi nga, "only two types of people do not change their minds: the dead, and fools".
    Last edited by dr. d; September 18th, 2022 at 12:20 AM.

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    #37633
    Quote Originally Posted by dr. d View Post
    someone actually said 100 % safe and effective?
    personally, i wouldn't.
    and definitely not with vaccines!

    this is what peer reviewers do.
    they read the paper. they look up the methodologies. they check the numbers. they check the data from which the papers are based on. if everything seems to be good, then the paper is approved for publishing.

    but peer reviewers are also human. they are not privy to facts not divulged by nature.
    there are many examples of peer-reviewed scholarly articles, that have since been proven wrong.
    einstein said, "God does not play dice with the universe."
    well, heisenberg proved him wrong. "God does play dice with the universe."
    and hawking put it over one more: "not only does God play dice; He sometimes throws them where they can not be seen."

    "there is no long-term study" is not to be interpreted as "it is safe, now and forever!", or "it is un-safe, caveat kayo!".
    it simply means, "there is no long-term study" at the present time.

    research involving children has always been a sensitive issue.
    that is perhaps why there are very visible pros and cons.
    "we must weigh what we may win, by what we might lose."

    basically,
    it is saying that for the time being, there is no good evidence suggesting of long-term complications.
    maybe after 3 years... 20 years, someone will... notice something.

    who knows... maybe science will throw us a curve ball...

    sabi nga, "only two types of people do not change their minds: the dead, and fools".


    Oo nga Doc, hindi nila dapat ginawang mandatory: if there is risk, there must be choice...

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    #37634
    Quote Originally Posted by Athrunzala View Post
    Oo nga Doc, hindi nila dapat ginawang mandatory: if there is risk, there must be choice...
    the DOH does not say it is mandatory, but it strongly recommends it.

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    #37635
    Quote Originally Posted by dr. d View Post
    the DOH does not say it is mandatory, but it strongly recommends it.

    oo maswerte ang pinas, di tulad sa America mandatory for the health care workers and military personnel, too much pressure for them or they lose their livelihood like Unvaccinated Kyrie Irving who lost millions of dollars by not being admitted to play...

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    #37636
    Quote Originally Posted by Athrunzala View Post
    oo maswerte ang pinas, di tulad sa America mandatory for the health care workers and military personnel, too much pressure for them or they lose their livelihood like Unvaccinated Kyrie Irving who lost millions of dollars by not being admitted to play...
    we have more than enough problems here.
    pabayaan na natin sila doon.

    let them become a testbed of sorts.

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    #37637
    Ibang klase talaga itong "silent" admin hinde ko ma-feel...

    Pandemic pa rin tayo and yet wala pa rin DOH sec.

    Sino ba inaantay niya? Yun one year ban ba?


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    Wowowillie?

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    Quote Originally Posted by shadow View Post
    Ibang klase talaga itong "silent" admin hinde ko ma-feel...

    Pandemic pa rin tayo and yet wala pa rin DOH sec.

    Sino ba inaantay niya? Yun one year ban ba?


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    yun na nga.

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    My brother, his wife and baby daughter caught the virus. Kakasundo ko lang from the hospital kasi home quarantine na lang daw at hindi malala pwera sa baby na medyo may ubo at sipon. Ayaw ihatid ng Ambulance kasi para iwas daw malaman ng kapitbahay.

    Tingin ko sa mga students madami na eh. Yung dalawang anak kasi nagkasipon at lagnat din before. Talagang pinapahina na lang fear by not reporting pero in fairness hindi na nga malakas talaga ang virsu. Unvaccinated pa naman sila.

    My mother though has the flu and body malaise. And my other niece and nephew also just recently had dry cough and flu.

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