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    Quote Originally Posted by Monseratto View Post
    Delta re emerged the UK but will probably a one off..
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    unlike smallpox, which has been studied for many decades, and is believed to be naturally obsolete,
    covid is not even 4 years old.
    we still have many years to learn from covid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monseratto View Post
    T-cell activation of the original wuhan variant vacines that still barely worked on BA.1 and BA.2 variants don't work anymore on BA.5



    What Omicron’s BA.4 and BA.5 variants mean for the pandemic
    ADE and OAS....

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    lahat na yata nung opismates ko sa NZ at AU nag positive na sa Covid.. halos weekly may tinatamaan..


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    Quote Originally Posted by _Qwerty_ View Post
    lahat na yata nung opismates ko sa NZ at AU nag positive na sa Covid.. halos weekly may tinatamaan..

    as someone here already said,
    our true incidence of covid is probably higher than those reported.
    some studies have shown that 50% of those sound positive, were asymptomatic.

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    Getting Omicron isn't a one off affair, especally with the BA.5. Para siyang trangkaso na... pde annually or worst quarterly.

    Omicron BA.5: No one is fully protected | Science | In-depth reporting on science and technology | DW | 13.6.222
    Last edited by Monseratto; June 29th, 2022 at 11:26 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monseratto View Post
    Getting Omicron isn't a one off affair, especally with the BA.5. Para siyang trangkaso na... pde annually or worst quarterly.
    getting covid nowadays is slowly turning into a trangkaso-like affair.
    i am wondering, when will we start leveling off on the covid testing etc?
    i do hope our youngsters do not become known as "the population that grew up with masks" .

    malling,
    ang daming bata na "akala mo, kakawala lang sa kural", which i suppose, based on my biased opinion of their animated actions, compared to my memory of how things were, a few years ago, they are.
    Last edited by dr. d; June 29th, 2022 at 11:39 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dr. d View Post
    getting covid nowadays is slowly turning into a trangkaso-like affair.
    i am wondering, when will we start leveling off on the covid testing etc?
    i do hope our youngsters do not become known as "the population that grew up with masks" .

    malling,
    ang daming bata na "akala mo, kakawala lang sa kural", which i suppose, based on my biased opinion of their animated actions, compared to my memory of how things were, a few years ago, they are.


    ung PCR testing na yan tingin ko overdiagnosis

    isang over-sensitive test ginawang gold standard diagnostic tool

    dapat itigil na yan

    kung gusto testing rapid antigen test lang pwede na

    dahil sa pcr testing which makes headlines as DAILY NEW CASES which makes people panic which forces the gov't to act --> restrictions

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    #37248


    Anthony Fauci says that he's experienced a rebound in Covid symptoms after Paxlovid course | Daily Mail Online


    "In his announcement about his Covid rebound, Fauci said that his symptoms were 'much worse' after he tested positive for the second time. "

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    #37249
    Any news for vaccination for children 4yrs below?

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    #37250
    Quote Originally Posted by Athrunzala View Post


    Anthony Fauci says that he's experienced a rebound in Covid symptoms after Paxlovid course | Daily Mail Online


    "In his announcement about his Covid rebound, Fauci said that his symptoms were 'much worse' after he tested positive for the second time. "
    media "sensationalism" ?

    the CDC did say that they do not have enough data to make a conclusion.

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    #37251
    BA.4 and BA.5 are very diferent from BA.1 and BA.2 that they are going into the lungs instead of just remaining in the upper respiratory system...

    BA.2.12.1, BA.4 and BA.5 escape antibodies elicited by Omicron infection | Nature

    Kei Sato, University of Tokyo

    New sub-variants may have evolved to refavour infection of lung cells

    Risk is potentially greater than that of original BA.2

    Dr Stephen Griffin, University of Leeds

    It looks as though these things are switching back to the more dangerous form of infection, so going lower down in the lung

    Neutralization Escape by SARS-CoV-2 Omicron Subvariants BA.2.12.1, BA.4, and BA.5

    Comparison booster shots and hybrid (vaccinated and infected)of WA(wuhan) variant vs Omicrons

    https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2206576

    Six months after the initial two BNT162b2 immunizations

    Neutralizing antibody titer against WA1/2020 = 124

    Neutralizing antibody titer against omicron subvarients = 20

    Two weeks after administration of the booster dose

    Neutralizing antibody titer against WA1/2020 = 5,783

    Neutralizing antibody titer against BA.1 = 900

    BA.2 = 892

    BA.2.12.1 = 410

    BA.4 or BA.5 = 275 (21 times lower than 5,783)

    What about natural immunity

    Among the participants who had been infected with BA.1 or BA.2,

    26 had been vaccinated


    Median neutralizing antibody titer

    WA1/2020 isolate = 11,050

    BA.1 = 1,740

    BA.2 = 1,910

    BA.2.12.1 = 1,150

    BA.4 or BA.5 = 590 (18.7 times less than 11,050)

    These data show that the BA.2.12.1, BA.4, and BA.5 subvariants substantially escape neutralizing antibodies induced by both vaccination and infection.

    SARS-CoV-2 omicron variant has continued to evolve with increasing neutralization escape.

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    First booster required



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    mandatory pilitan or lip service???

    ahyaw na ng overwhelming majority magpavoxxine. Kailan simula inoffer booster?? May one year na ba?

    pagod na maghipgpit establishments sa mga kagaguhan na yan.

    See the numbers mga boosted eh 14million.

    total populatiin = 114million

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    #37254
    ito pandemic napahiya talaga medical community. Pag naalala ko talaga hengde fezshield juicecolored. Kasi kung totoo yan eh bakit wala ako naikilita ngayon doctor nag fezshield outside hospitals???? Kwarta-kwarta kasi yan.

    ano yan nung pinatigil ni presdu ang fezshield eh gaya na din mga condoctor??? Kasi kung totoo yan eh practice what you preach.

    Ang dami ko kaya nakita kakampwits na mga doctor nagrally for luhgaw mga walang fezshield.

    Ang panibago nirereklamo ngayon yung unli antigen testing. Lets say may sasamahan ka sa hospital, pag iconfine tapos lalabas yung bantay eh pag balik ni bantay sa hospital another antigen test. Paano kung palabas-labas ka. Usually sa mga nanganganak ito. Gatas na gatas talaga.

    Kaya tsikoteers kita nyo pagkabehaviorist ko. Walang lusot sa akin

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    Quote Originally Posted by kagalingan View Post
    mandatory pilitan or lip service???

    ahyaw na ng overwhelming majority magpavoxxine. Kailan simula inoffer booster?? May one year na ba?

    pagod na maghipgpit establishments sa mga kagaguhan na yan.

    See the numbers mga boosted eh 14million.

    total populatiin = 114million
    combative ayaw is one thing.
    tinatamad ayaw is another thing.

    my guess is, if it's "heto na po ang heringgilya; braso na lang ninyo ang kailangan",
    i-ilan na lang ang tatanggi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kagalingan View Post
    ito pandemic napahiya talaga medical community. Pag naalala ko talaga hengde fezshield juicecolored. Kasi kung totoo yan eh bakit wala ako naikilita ngayon doctor nag fezshield outside hospitals???? Kwarta-kwarta kasi yan.

    ano yan nung pinatigil ni presdu ang fezshield eh gaya na din mga condoctor??? Kasi kung totoo yan eh practice what you preach.

    Ang dami ko kaya nakita kakampwits na mga doctor nagrally for luhgaw mga walang fezshield.

    Ang panibago nirereklamo ngayon yung unli antigen testing. Lets say may sasamahan ka sa hospital, pag iconfine tapos lalabas yung bantay eh pag balik ni bantay sa hospital another antigen test. Paano kung palabas-labas ka. Usually sa mga nanganganak ito. Gatas na gatas talaga.

    Kaya tsikoteers kita nyo pagkabehaviorist ko. Walang lusot sa akin
    while foresight may be a blurred vision many times,
    hindsight is almost always 20-20 .

    many of us are probably alive today, because someones practiced anti-covid behavior.

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    #37257
    doc yung hindsight is 20/20 pero sa bagay na ito eh 3weeks after naimplement eh narealize ko useless fezshield. So im way ahead.

    So i deliberately not following after unless may sumita sa akin.

    few days ago kahit facemask sa magnolia hindi ako sinita ng male security guard. Pero cashier ang nagremind sa akin to wear.

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    #37258
    Quote Originally Posted by kagalingan View Post

    So i deliberately not following after unless may sumita sa akin.
    .
    may tawag diyan.

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    ^
    ang tawag perceive think act.

    pag ginawa ang mali ng paulit-ulit = insanity. Sabi yan ni albert.

    doc, the philippine medical community malakas ang tunnel vision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kagalingan View Post
    ^


    doc, the philippine medical community malakas ang tunnel vision.

    many of us probably suffer from tunnel vision from time to time,
    even as we are not aware of it.

    when the health of the nation is concerned,
    it is not adviseable to exercise "reckless decision-making".
    "better safe than sorry", wika nga.

    we individuals can afford to think and do what we want for ourselves,
    but the nation's health determiners do not have that luxury.

    i guess what i am saying is,
    "the view from the ground floor is not the same as the view from the roofdeck, 25 stories up."
    also, when it rains, only those on the roofdeck get wet. those below have the luxury of being shielded from the rain.

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