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[Yatta]

COVID-19 grips PH Consulate in New York; many staff members exposed or positive | Global News

[boybi]

COVID-19 grips PH Consulate in New York; many staff members exposed or positive | Global News

Big time ang Pinas, nasa 5th Avenue ang PH consulate. Akala ko nung nadaanan namin, it's a shop selling Philippine made crafts. Consulate pala.

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Big time ang Pinas, nasa 5th Avenue ang PH consulate. Akala ko nung nadaanan namin, it's a shop selling Philippine made crafts. Consulate pala.

Pumasok ako diyan at nag picture sa loob. Pinayagan namin nila ako dahil Pinoy pride. [emoji23]


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[dr. d]

I know the covid is still among us. What I'm trying to say is it isn't lethal anymore kaya wala na hospilatizations. It doesn't cause severe symptoms anymore kaya wala na din nagpapa test.

When I had my PCR test before my flight, there's only 1 other person getting tested before us. Before, sobrang haba ng pila.

but are the seeming non-lethality and non-severity of symptoms, attributable to the evolving virus,
or is it an effect of the mass-vaccination?

and that's another thing: the less we test, the less we know just how many people are infected.

when we put our guard down, for sure more people will be infected.
and even if majority will be non-severe, we might still be shocked by just how many turn out symptomatic.

[boybi]

but are the seeming non-lethality and non-severity of symptoms, attributable to the evolving virus,
or is it an effect of the mass-vaccination?

and that's another thing: the less we test, the less we know just how many people are infected.

Do we still need to care? Do we care how many are afflicted with the flu?

Masyado na yatang nasanay etong mga drug manufacturers sa kinikita nila sa vaccines that they seem to always come up with new mutations to justify the ever continuing need for vaccinations and boosters.

[dr. d]

Do we still need to care? Do we care how many are afflicted with the flu?

Masyado na yatang nasanay etong mga drug manufacturers sa kinikita nila sa vaccines that they seem to always come up with new mutations to justify the ever continuing need for vaccinations and boosters.

unfortunately, it's not the flu.

if enough people get covid-infected because we let our guard down, and if a number of these develop severe symptoms or die,
yes, we will care.

first rule of pandemic: it's not over until it's over.
and right now, i believe it's far from over.
"nagpapahinga lang."

[boybi]

unfortunately, it's not the flu.

if enough people get covid-infected because we let our guard down, and if a number of these develop severe symptoms or die,
yes, we will care.

first rule of pandemic: it's not over until it's over.
and right now, i believe it's far from over.
"nagpapahinga lang."

People, too, die from the flu. But why are we not counting how many people got infected with the flu?

[boybi]

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Di ko naisip pumasok. Sayang. Pero on second thought, baka pati kami mahawa sa covid Parang 2 days after namin dumaan dyan, lumabas na report na nagkacovid dyan.

[uls]

first rule of pandemic: it's not over until it's over.
and right now, i believe it's far from over.
"nagpapahinga lang."

how can this pandemic be "over" when 21st century science can study a pathogen at the molecular level

if this was 100 yrs ago tapos na ito

walang genome sequencing, walang reverse transcriptase polymerase chain reaction to look for pieces of viral rna in people's noses

and as long as they keep tracking the evolution of this virus they will find more variants

as long as more variants are found this pandemic won't be over

[dr. d]

how can this pandemic be "over" when 21st century science can study a pathogen at the molecular level

if this was 100 yrs ago tapos na ito

walang genome sequencing, walang reverse transcriptase polymerase chain reaction to look for pieces of viral rna in people's noses

and as long as they keep tracking the evolution of this virus they will find more variants

as long as more variants are found this pandemic won't be over

obviously,
the scientific definition of pandemic, differs from the laymen's working definition of pandemic.

[uls]

obviously,
the scientific definition of pandemic, differs from the laymen's working definition of pandemic.

how was the 1918 pandemic "declared" over?

pcr wasn't invented yet

there was no genome sequencing

what did they use determine the end of that pandemic?

[dr. d]

how was the 1918 pandemic "declared" over?

pcr wasn't invented yet

there was no genome sequencing

what did they use determine the end of that pandemic?

they made do with what they had at that time: census numbers. the death numbers fell, and did not recur.
the susceptibles died or were immunized actively or passively, and the rest enjoyed herd immunity.
there were not enough new infections to sustain the movement.

the spanish flue pandemic started in 1918, was initially thought to be over in 1919, but spiked again in 1920.
the end of a pandemic is usually decided in retrospect, and not in real-time.

trivia.
why was it called "spanish flue", when in fact it was a worldwide pandemic?

[uls]

they made do with what they had at that time: census numbers. the death numbers fell, and did not recur.
the susceptibles died or were immunized actively or passively, and the rest enjoyed herd immunity.
there were not enough new infections to sustain the movement.

so if we used what they had back then as basis

this pandemic would be over by now

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if there was no pcr, no genome sequencing, that's why i said:

if this was 100 yrs ago tapos na ito

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dr d:

the spanish flue pandemic started in 1918, was initially thought to be over in 1919, but spiked again in 1920.
the end of a pandemic is usually decided in retrospect, and not in real-time.

yes i'm aware



dr d:

trivia.
why was it called "spanish flue", when in fact it was a worldwide pandemic?

also aware



kansas

[viper888]

The global life expectancy in 1913 was 34 years old

Now its 73 years old

If we still had 1920s medicine, 90% of the members of this forum would have passed away

Source Life Expectancy - Our World in Data

[dr. d]

so if we used what they had back then as basis

this pandemic would be over by now

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the covid figures abroad are still not back to pre-pandemic numbers...

and even if it were,
we can't yet celebrate and say the covid pandemic is already over by now, because we don't know what next month will bring.
we'll have to be a bit more patient...

the declaration that the pandemic is officially over, will probably be a retrospective one.
'demics usually go out quietly.

[uls]

The global life expectancy in 1913 was 34 years old

Now its 73 years old

If we still had 1920s medicine, 90% of the members of this forum would have passed away

Source Life Expectancy - Our World in Data

jusko

not talking about therapy

ONLY talking about the basis being used to determine the end of pandemic

ang point ko there was no technology 100 yrs ago to detect viral rna in people's noses

so the basis back then was simply fewer and fewer people died of flu -- tapos ang pandemic

but now we have technology to detect virus in perfectly healthy people --- if that is the basis now (finding positives even if people don't die) then this pandemic can't officially end

gets?

[uls]

the covid figures abroad are still not back to pre-pandemic numbers...

and even if it were,
we can't yet celebrate and say the covid pandemic is already over by now, because we don't know what next month will bring.
we'll have to be a bit more patient...

the declaration that the pandemic is officially over, will probably be a retrospective one.
'demics usually go out quietly.

they will keep swabbing people and finding virus in people's noses

even if people don't die

the global authorities are obsessed with case numbers

they will keep swabbing and reporting daily new cases

that alone will guarantee the pandemic won't be declared over coz you will always find positives (already endemic)

tapos they'll keep sequencing and looking for mutations

that'll guarantee they'll keep finding new variants (coz virus will keep evolving)

lalo di matatapos ang pandemic

[uls]

kaya ung sinasabi ni Sir Boybi when will the authorities treat sarscov2 like other respiratory viruses

ung di kailangan swab nang swab, reporting new cases everyday

we don't do that with other respiratory viruses

headline news araw araw for more than 2 years

it has become so institutionalized that people can't imagine a day without hearing about covid sa news

[dr. d]

they will keep swabbing people and finding virus in people's noses

even if people don't die

the global authorities are obsessed with case numbers

they will keep swabbing and reporting daily new cases

that alone will guarantee the pandemic won't be declared over coz you will always find positives (already endemic)

tapos they'll keep sequencing and looking for mutations

that'll guarantee they'll keep finding new variants (coz virus will keep evolving)

lalo di matatapos ang pandemic

we'll just have to wait for the health authorities to decide what the rules regarding start and end of pandemics, are.

[uls]

nagets na yata ni doc

compared to 100 years ago -- iba na ang basis to declare end of pandemic

dati based on fewer to no more deaths (there was no hypersensitive diagnostic tool)

ngayon meron molecular basis -- ung kahit halos wala na namamatay pero meron nagpo-positibo sa pcr

if global authorities will use positives as basis then matagal tagal pa ito