China Corona Virus Outbreak

[uls]

diyan nga binabatikos ang gobyerno -- pataas nang pataas ang cases tapos nagluluwag

kung gusto ng gobyerno ijustify ang pagluwag they should be manipulating case numbers lower

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like you guys don't believe the official numbers from china

sobrang baba ng cases

yan ang manipulation

di ko gets ung sinasabi niyo manipulation ng gobyerno ng pinas

[uls]

mas gusto nga ng gobyernong ito mag luwag kesa mag higpit

kaya magkainitan ng ulo sa meeting nila dahil gusto ng mga doktor maghigpit

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pero kung utak zero-covid ang namumuno sigurado mga doktor ang masusunod

[Flipo]

Problema din yung data ng DOH. Dapat accurate hindi manipulated.

Yes madalas yan massaging the data lalo na pag may event si du30 or like senate hearing.

Nung isang araw 18K+ cases biglang naging 12K?

[uls]

dapat di naging 26k

less than 10k na sana

[Mr. Witcher]

Yes madalas yan massaging the data lalo na pag may event si du30 or like senate hearing.

Nung isang araw 18K+ cases biglang naging 12K?

Pag sobrang dami na bigla magkaron problem covidkaya nila. Hindi na kinaya.

[Mr. Witcher]

diyan nga binabatikos ang gobyerno -- pataas nang pataas ang cases tapos nagluluwag

kung gusto ng gobyerno ijustify ang pagluwag they should be manipulating case numbers lower

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like you guys don't believe the official numbers from china

sobrang baba ng cases

yan ang manipulation

di ko gets ung sinasabi niyo manipulation ng gobyerno ng pinas

Hindi parehas yung data ng doh compare mo sa actual nangyayari sa mga hospital. Dami kasi backlog kaya flactuating data nila.

[Papajamba]

Problema din yung data ng DOH. Dapat accurate hindi manipulated.

Walang manipulation sa new cases and deaths since naka-link laboratories sa DOH.
Yung hindi accurate is the hospital occupancy.
Hindi din kaya ng DOH din ang projection numbers kaya pumasok ang octa and UP groups para tumulong


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[uls]

Hindi parehas yung data ng doh compare mo sa actual nangyayari sa mga hospital. Dami kasi backlog kaya flactuating data nila.

yan pala inaano mo

ung available icu, available beds, ventilators etc

di manipulation yan

it's bureaucracy

mga numero mula sa individual hospitals hanggang umabot sa DOH... things are delayed, things get lost...

[Flipo]

Hindi parehas yung data ng doh compare mo sa actual nangyayari sa mga hospital. Dami kasi backlog kaya flactuating data nila.

Eto ang sinasabi ni Dr. Dans at Dra. Limpin, na wala sa DOH data yung mga nakapila sa emergency na entrance sa hospital kung gaano kahaba ang pila at mismong doon ay binibigyan na nila ng lunas.


Medical group: DOH data on available ICU beds not reflective of situation in hospitals

The healthcare utilization data from the Health department is not reflective of the situation in hospitals in Metro Manila which are already "overwhelmed" with COVID-19 patients, a doctors' group said on Monday.

"Kaya nga importante na dapat digitalized yung data collection natin, data recording, 'yung real time. Para sa ganoon mag-reflect iyan doon sa datos na nilalabas ng Department of Health," she said. "Alisin na siguro ng DOH yung mga dapat na hindi isinasama doon sa pagbilang. So unfortunately kasi kasama pa rin yung mga number ng beds doon sa mga ospital na di tumatanggap ng COVID. Alisin na natin because that is actually giving us wrong information."

[Mr. Witcher]

Correct at sa 1.5 years na nila nagcocollect ng data dapat na master na nila yan. Palitan na mga incompetent kasi dyan sa doh at ang dami ng tao wala hanapbuhay dahil sarado mga negosyo. Urong sulong na desisyon wala tayo mapupuntahan.

[uls]

sa sobra busy nila meron ba staff ng ospital magbibilang ng tao naghihintay sa ER, sa labas ng ER, sa parking lot?

[BratPAQ]

sa sobra busy nila meron ba staff ng ospital magbibilang ng tao naghihintay sa ER, sa labas ng ER, sa parking lot?

I think the simple fact that puno na yung hospital you would think hospital will tell doh they are 100% full. But somehow doh has been reflecting 70% full. Something gets lost in translation.

[cast_no_shadow]

I think the simple fact that puno na yung hospital you would think hospital will tell doh they are 100% full. But somehow doh has been reflecting 70% full. Something gets lost in translation.

Agree on this. Yung lahat ng hospital ay may waiting list how come hindi pa din 100% ang utilization for COVID Beds. NCR is 77% only. Ventilators 61% utilized.

This week namatay father in law ng brother ko, wala gusto mag accept even sa ER.

Nakahanap naman kaso sinama na siya sa covid tent (awaiting RT PCR result) namatay na din since need na ng ventilator.

Hospital is trying to find saan pwede ilipat pero wala talaga malipatan.


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[Mr. Witcher]

Kaya hirap ang IATF mag interpret sa data ng DOH. Monday and tuesdays results nila sobrang baba tapos pataas mula wed to friday at blockbuster ng saturday #sankapa

[Monseratto]

[Wh1stl3r]

I think the simple fact that puno na yung hospital you would think hospital will tell doh they are 100% full. But somehow doh has been reflecting 70% full. Something gets lost in translation.

Had similar experience with CNS in 2020 and again right now. Despite DOH saying at least 30% beds available, couldn't find any hospital to take in a relative.

Whether this is due to incompetence or part of government propaganda to paint a much less dire hospital situation is up to people to decide. But either way we are all effed up by the government.

If the data were truthful/accurate people will be able to manage risk a lot more effectively and not have to grasp at straws during emergencies.

[Athrunzala]

pag ang next admin utak zero-covid si leachon health sec forever lockdown yan

"Dapat lockdown yan!"
-Dr. Lechon

[Deestone]

Meanwhile in Denmark....

Denmark is one of EU's first to lift all domestic COVID health restrictions | Euronews

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[QUEZ]

Me & my wife got pfizer and moderna before. My 20 y/o son and my sis in law conditioned their mind na aztra today administer sa kanila e Sinovac pala. Need ko pa kumbisihin na "maayos" naman ang made made in China. Ba't ganun wala silang tiwala sa sinovac. Ako before kahit anu basta ma vaccine ako.

[dr. d]

Ba't ganun wala silang tiwala sa sinovac. Ako before kahit anu basta ma vaccine ako.

they probably read the numerous articles about or against the various vaccines that are available in the vaccination market, not to mention, the word-of-mouth from friends and acquaintances.
all that information can drive a person confused.

kasi naman,
vaccination is not like buying a car or a washing machine. delaying the purchase merely extends one's inconvenience at commuting or doing hand laundry.
when one vacillates between getting vaccinated or not, every day one spends cogitating, is one more day where he/she might get infected with the virus.