China Corona Virus Outbreak

[_Cathy_]

Fellow sinovaccinees, alam niyo na saang bansa tayo malamang pwede at hindi hahaha. You could remove US, West EU, AU and NZ in the list

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When It Comes to a Travel Restart All Vaccines Are Not Equal
Bloomberg News
April 26, 2021, 5:00 AM GMT+8 Updated on April 26, 2021, 3:30 PM GMT+8

With the resumption of global travel on the horizon, some people are discovering that their choice of vaccine could determine where they’re allowed to go.

Already, the European Union is planning to allow Americans vaccinated with shots approved by their drug agency to enter over the summer, European Commission president Ursula von der Leyen suggested in a New York Times interview Sunday.

This means that those who have shots by Chinese makers like Sinovac Biotech Ltd. and Sinopharm Group Co. Ltd. are likely to be barred from entry for the foreseeable future, with stark consequences for global business activity and the revival of international tourism.

As inoculation efforts ramp up around the world, a patchwork of approvals across countries and regions is laying the groundwork for a global vaccine bifurcation, where the shot you get could determine which countries you can enter and work in.

For Chinese citizens who venture abroad regularly, and western nationals wanting to pursue business opportunities in the world’s second-largest economy, a dilemma is emerging about which shot to opt for. China so far recognizes only Chinese-made shots, and its vaccines are not approved in the U.S. or Western Europe.

Hong Kong citizen Marie Cheung travels to mainland China regularly for her work with an electric vehicle company, a routine that’s been interrupted by lengthy mandated quarantine stays since the pandemic began.

Of the two vaccine options available in the city -- one from Sinovac and another developed by Pfizer Inc. and BioNTech SE -- Cheung plans to sign up for Sinovac for easier movement in and out of the mainland. Meanwhile, her British husband will go for the Pfizer-BioNTech shot, she says to boost his chances of visiting family in the U.K.

“For people who need to work in or return to mainland, the Chinese vaccine is the only option for them,” Cheung said. “Westerners will only choose the vaccine recognized by their home country.”

For millions of people worldwide who can’t choose which vaccines they get, the risk of more places becoming selective about which shots they recognize, especially given the vaccines’ varying efficacy rates, creates the possibility that even fully inoculated, people’s travel could still be limited -- with consequences for international business activity and the tourism industry.

The EU plans to introduce vaccine passes as of June, which will allow travel for those inoculated or recently recovered from Covid and are thus considered immune. According to the draft of the regulation -- subject to ongoing negotiations between EU governments and the European Parliament -- all vaccines approved by the bloc’s drugs regulator will be acceptable for travel, though EU members are “encouraged” to accept vaccines that have secured World Health Organization approval for emergency use and recognize certificates issued by non-EU nations. The final decision on which vaccines will be accepted rests on individual member states.

“A global division of peoples based around vaccine adoption will only exacerbate and continue the economic and political effects of the pandemic,” said Nicholas Thomas, associate professor in health security at the City University of Hong Kong. “It will risk the world being divided into vaccine silos based on vaccine nationalism rather than medical necessity.”

Mutual Recognition
Many countries have shut their borders amid the pandemic, some allowing entry only to citizens, and even then with weeks-long quarantines after arrival. While vaccines are seen as the way to remove those entry barriers, considerable uncertainty remains over how, or if, nations will differentiate the at least 11 shots available worldwide.

Governments from China to Europe are discussing vaccine passports -- easily accessible and verifiable certifications stating that an individual has been inoculated -- but it’s unclear if countries will pursue universal recognition of all shots, or be selective on which they choose to recognize, particularly with the rise of virus variants and questions over whether the current crop of vaccines are as effective against them.

China eased visa application requirements for foreigners who had been inoculated with Chinese shots in March, including the ability to skip Covid tests or fill out travel declaration forms. The country’s homegrown vaccines are only available in some countries, like Brazil, Pakistan and Serbia. You can’t get Sinovac or the other Chinese shots in the U.S.

But in a sign that Beijing may be cognizant of the economic costs of being selective on vaccines, the Chinese embassy in Washington said this week that travelers who had taken certain western shots could still enter the country if they were departing from Dallas in Texas. State media has indicated that the Pfizer-BioNTech shot is likely to be approved mid-year.

“We do think that it’s important to get a very high percentage of the community vaccinated and the best way to do that is to offer choice,” said Ker Gibbs, president of the American Chamber of Commerce in Shanghai. As a key market and source of business for companies around the world, China’s border restrictions -- among the world’s strictest -- have “had a major impact on our ability to conduct business,” he said.

A Vaccine Passport Is the New Golden Ticket as the World Reopens

“Just speaking with our members, mobility is a high priority for us both in terms of allowing our executives to come in and out of China, but also to have their dependents travel back to China,” Gibbs said. “That’s been a big problem.”

China isn’t the only place that’s restricting access to people with certain vaccinations. Iceland currently omits Chinese and Russian vaccines from the list of those it approves for entry.

The question of vaccine recognition is a key one for tourism-dependent countries, with the $9 trillion global travel industry effectively paralyzed since the pandemic began.

China’s approach to this issue may impact their decision-making, as Chinese tourists have been among the biggest groups of foreign visitors to travel hot spots in Southeast Asia, Australia and New Zealand and capitals as far away as Paris before the pandemic.

There were 155 million outbound tourists in 2019 spending more than $133 billion abroad, according to the China Tourism Academy, a government think tank and subsidiary of the Ministry of Culture and Tourism. While Indonesia, home to Bali, and Thailand have approved and are administering Chinese shots, New Zealand and Australia -- which has seen its relations with China deteriorate the past year over the virus and trade -- do not.

“I don’t know how practical it will be for western countries to recognize Chinese vaccines given the geopolitical environment,” said Ether Yin, a partner at Trivium China, a Beijing-based consultancy. “But there won’t be a true resumption of global travel or economy without the inclusion of China, plus dozens of economies who used Chinese vaccines.”

Katy Niu, a 26-year old Chinese citizen, is a skiing enthusiast and frequent traveler living in Beijing. It’s unclear whether she’ll be returning to international slopes like those in Japan’s Hokkaido anytime soon. Prior to the pandemic, she used to travel internationally at least three times a year, from shopping on Paris’s Champs Elysées to relaxing on a Southeast Asian beach.

Niu hasn’t gotten a vaccine yet, saying she didn’t feel any urgency since she’s not currently able to travel -- and doesn’t see it opening up in the near future.

“If other countries don’t recognize the Chinese vaccine, does that mean vaccination is not going to make a difference?” she said. “We are not offered a western vaccine anyways -- we don’t have a choice.”

[bloowolf]

Paano kung magkaron ng vaccine passport tapos sinovac ang vaccine mo. Accept ka kaya sa US o Europe?

Ang opinion ko, the country has the option to accept or reject the vaccine but, I think that’ll happen sa embassy pa lang. Baka nga, kung wala yung vaccine of choice, baka dun pa sa embassy ka bakunahan.


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[_Cathy_]

Dito sa Parañaque, kawawa rin neighbors ko na seniors. Sinabihan ko na on going na vax drive. Di nila alam. Tinuruan ko pa paano mag register. Ang hina ng info campaign ni Olivares. Pero yung drug addict dito, inuna, AZ pa. Sana ma blood clot yung ogag na yun.


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I also registered for Paranaque including the seniors in our family, March 30 pa, no email, no text, no nothing. I have a friend who has a neighbor na works for the Pque LGU and when they checked wala daw sa database. WTF? Samantalang sa Makati, I got the schedule only days after I registered. Maayos pa dahil may date and time and you can even reschedule, You also get an email and text confirmation, and best of all, done in less than 45 mins and super nice and accommodating staff

I heard the nightmare in Pque, may mga pumili ata for 6 hrs under the heat of the sun yung seniors! I do hope that OLivarez never wins na. Parang District I lang yata malakas yan mokong na yan! Nakakakiya, head pa ng league of mayors (?) pero palpak

Ang opinion ko, the country has the option to accept or reject the vaccine but, I think that’ll happen sa embassy pa lang. Baka nga, kung wala yung vaccine of choice, baka dun pa sa embassy ka bakunahan.

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okay sakin yan, apply ako US tourist visa tapos pag accepted tuloy pfizer or moderna shot na? haha

Seriously, sana yung US government mag provide sila ng shots for their citizens outside the country

[_Cathy_]

shadow bakit ikaw wala? baka saline nga tinurok sayo

[viper888]

Fellow sinovaccinees, alam niyo na saang bansa tayo malamang pwede at hindi hahaha. You could remove US, West EU, AU and NZ in the list

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?

When It Comes to a Travel Restart All Vaccines Are Not Equal
Bloomberg News
April 26, 2021, 5:00 AM GMT+8 Updated on April 26, 2021, 3:30 PM GMT+8

Looks like were going to Bali or Phuket next summer or Boracay na lang

Im sure Singapore will open up to Sinovac-ers, since they need the Chinese tourists and business; even if they dont approve it for themselves

[dr. d]

don't you guys remember that the vaccine may be only 50% effective?

at any rate,
experts warn people not to put too much importance on the antibody level, because it might be giving you a false sense of hopelessness (low antibody level) or a false sense of security (high antibody level).
the immune system has antibodies as well as cellular immune cells, to combat covid. they complement each other. a low level of antibody does not necessarily mean, low immunity. likewise, a high level of antibody does not necessarily equate to high immunity.

let us remember: vaccination does not equate to living a life of wanton abandon. mag mask + shield + antisocial behavior pa rin.

[_Cathy_]

Looks like were going to Bali or Phuket next summer or Boracay na lang

Im sure Singapore will open up to Sinovac-ers, since they need the Chinese tourists and business; even if they dont approve it for themselves

Japan and Korea ba ano ang vaccine nila?

don't you guys remember that the vaccine may be only 50% effective?

at any rate,
experts warn people not to put too much importance on the antibody level, because it might be giving you a false sense of hopelessness (low antibody level) or a false sense of security (high antibody level).
the immune system has antibodies as well as cellular immune cells, to combat covid. they complement each other. a low level of antibody does not necessarily mean, low immunity. likewise, a high level of antibody does not necessarily equate to high immunity.

let us remember: vaccination does not equate to living a life of wanton abandon. mag mask + shield + antisocial behavior pa rin.

I just want a haircut one month after my second shot In our garage, wearing face mask pa rin. Right now I am too scared to interact with anyone over 30 mins even with both of us wearing masks

[dr. d]

Japan and Korea ba ano ang vaccine nila?



I just want a haircut one month after my second shot In our garage, wearing face mask pa rin. Right now I am too scared to interact with anyone over 30 mins even with both of us wearing masks

as i recall, the japanese were using non-chinese vaccine for their olympians.

"have a quick haircut."
strictly business. no chikka. no talking about other peoples' lives, etc.

[_Cathy_]

"have a quick haircut."
strictly business. no chikka. no talking about other peoples' lives, etc.

I don't naman talaga doc. I'll wait na lang til after my 2nd shot. I'm so irritated with my hair na talaga [emoji24]

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[dr. d]

I don't naman talaga doc. I'll wait na lang til after my 2nd shot. I'm so irritated with my hair na talaga [emoji24]

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i agree.
wait two weeks after the second shot.

[shadow]

shadow bakit ikaw wala? baka saline nga tinurok sayo

2 weeks after 1sr dose Magsisimula pa lang daw gumawa, baka mabagal gumawa sa akin. [emoji23] ok lang kung saline para pwede agad ako sa pfizer or moderna.


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[dr. d]

it is expected that whatever response it will be for the first dose, will be small only, if ever it will be detected.
the bulk of the response will be caused by the second dose.

[shadow]

it is expected that whatever response it will be for the first dose, will be small only, if ever it will be detected.
the bulk of the response will be caused by the second dose.

Hopefully


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[ale828]

Looks like were going to Bali or Phuket next summer or Boracay na lang

Im sure Singapore will open up to Sinovac-ers, since they need the Chinese tourists and business; even if they dont approve it for themselves

Worldwide tourism needs the money these chinese tourist will bring.
If you want your tourism to boom your gonna have to let the Chinese Tourist with chinese vaccine thru.
Even the Olympics in Japan can't ban Chinese athletes which has the largest contingent of participants and spectators just because they took a chinese vaccine.

[_Cathy_]

So this is the drug that saved the life of Erap. I'm surprised he made it kasi na ventilator siya and he is in his 80s. Ganyan talaga pag masamang damo [emoji23]



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[shadow]

So this is the drug that saved the life of Erap. I'm surprised he made it kasi na ventilator siya and he is in his 80s. Ganyan talaga pag masamang damo [emoji23]



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If it's for severe cases then go.


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[BratPAQ]

So this is the drug that saved the life of Erap. I'm surprised he made it kasi na ventilator siya and he is in his 80s. Ganyan talaga pag masamang damo [emoji23]



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Dami na disappoint. [emoji23]

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[dr. d]

So this is the drug that saved the life of Erap. I'm surprised he made it kasi na ventilator siya and he is in his 80s. Ganyan talaga pag masamang damo [emoji23]

k

it is wrong assumption to assume that people who are hooked to a ventilator are slated to die.
majority of ventilator users recover, naman.

achaka tingnan mo yung ears niya. maganda.
long-lived yan.
heh heh.

[baludoy]

Paano kaya ang vax roll out sa labas ng ncr?

Balita ko aa davao city sobra bagal daw. Ang complaints iyong malalakas lang sa barangay ang natututurukan so far. ang senior citizens parents ng Mga friends ko nag-aantay pa din. Nauna pa nga daw ang surigao city.


do what you gotta do so you can do what you wanna do

[marky2115]

like rocker long hair?



yes! that's the video. Tinusok yung needle sa arm pero hindi ininject. SO it makes me wonder, what will they do with the vaccine? I hope hindi ibebenta at itutusok sa iba because that is HIV waiting to happen



it's on FB only e. I tried looking sa youtube pero wala

Saw this sa Reddit. Sa Ecuador daw nangyari yan. Binebenta ng nag (fake) administer ng shot yung (unused) vaccine sa mga di pa nila turn magpavaccinate.

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